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9/21/16 3:49 PM
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Do half of you even visit a doctor regularly? They're just big pharma shills. I've had many digestive problems and not one Dr or specialist has recommended a diet change. The only course of action is meds. Phone Post 3.0
9/21/16 4:10 PM
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Slapsymaxi - http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com

I'd like to see all of you pro vaccine, stooges of pharma explain everything at this link! Phone Post 3.0
Voted up. Phone Post 3.0
9/21/16 4:24 PM
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popcornkilldya - Do half of you even visit a doctor regularly? They're just big pharma shills. I've had many digestive problems and not one Dr or specialist has recommended a diet change. The only course of action is meds. Phone Post 3.0
I actually agree with you somewhat here but i dont think the reason is "shilling" i think the reason is simplicity. Obamacare and all the cms patients who dont pay are making it harder for doctors to pay the bills.

They have to cram more and more patients in a shorter amount of time. I work in polysomnography and its the same for us. We just dont have as much time as we would like to sit and talk with our patients.

So i agree that it is wrong that doctors prescribe meds first and ask questions later but i dont think it is the product of the pharmaceutical companies, i think it is much quicker and easier to write a script and send a person on there way rather than sit down and talk with them for 30-45 minutes Phone Post 3.0
9/21/16 4:46 PM
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Diet changes don't always do much or do it alone. But I'm sure you know better than your doctor the treatment that is indicated by your condition. Phone Post 3.0
9/21/16 4:59 PM
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popcornkilldya - Do half of you even visit a doctor regularly? They're just big pharma shills. I've had many digestive problems and not one Dr or specialist has recommended a diet change. The only course of action is meds. Phone Post 3.0
If you believe your diet is the cause of your problems why haven't addressed your diet yourself? Or at the very least ask your doctor. I don't recall ever seeing a doctor and them not asking if I have any questions. Phone Post 3.0
9/21/16 5:13 PM
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My doctor has always recommend a healthy diet. The thing is, diet isn't fucking medicine. You can eliminate risk factors with a healthy diet. Healthy diet isn't a fix that works in place of medicine in many if not most conditions. All of you that know better than your doctor should go breeze your way through med school and get a raise. Phone Post 3.0
9/21/16 5:19 PM
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The guy that wrote the journal in the lancet was proven a fraud. He got a huge kick back from attorneys. 

It all started as a money grab. 

Just had my first son, he will get all vaccines on scheduled dates. 

Edited: 9/21/16 5:56 PM
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demandango - My doctor has always recommend a healthy diet. The thing is, diet isn't fucking medicine. You can eliminate risk factors with a healthy diet. Healthy diet isn't a fix that works in place of medicine in many if not most conditions. All of you that know better than your doctor should go breeze your way through med school and get a raise. Phone Post 3.0

This. I've had GERD before and the first thing my gastro said was that changing diet could have a huge effect. And it does. But some people may either refuse to change it up too much or diet doesn't go far enough.

 

P.S. AlbertEinstein knows his shit. He's smarter than Stephen Hawking or Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Just ask him. Seriously.

9/24/16 9:00 AM
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This fine company create vaccines

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/22/epipen-maylan-ceo-defend-price-hikes-congress-heather-bresch?client=safari

https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/edsilverman/2013/09/24/what-did-mylan-get-for-1-6-billlion-a-vaccine-maker-with-a-troubled-factory/amp/?client=safari

Oh, but wait it's vaccines! Vaccines are a different entity. Companies can be completely unethical and driven only by profit, but when it comes to vaccine production they are like little angels floating down from heaven to save the sick.

Some people no matter how much it's in their face will never see how manipulated they are by the media with "science"



9/24/16 3:20 PM
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Beards - This fine company create vaccines

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/22/epipen-maylan-ceo-defend-price-hikes-congress-heather-bresch?client=safari

https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/edsilverman/2013/09/24/what-did-mylan-get-for-1-6-billlion-a-vaccine-maker-with-a-troubled-factory/amp/?client=safari

Oh, but wait it's vaccines! Vaccines are a different entity. Companies can be completely unethical and driven only by profit, but when it comes to vaccine production they are like little angels floating down from heaven to save the sick.

Some people no matter how much it's in their face will never see how manipulated they are by the media with "science"



Wait. So your evidence that underpins your case for vaccines causing autism, is that a drug company hiked the price of epi pens?

And because they're bad people because they dared exploit shoddy legislation, that mean they're happy to peddle a cure that's going to be used for international vaccination programmes?

With logic like that how can anyone fail to take up your cause? Phone Post 3.0
9/24/16 3:23 PM
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anthonyMI -
AlbertEinstein - The scientific establishment, like every other modern institution, is disastrously corrupt when any sort of political/corporate agenda is involved. It's top down corruption. When your government is this corrupt it infects everything else in your society. But it's the new religion. They tell you whatever they want you to think and you buy it. No questions asked. That's why you deserve for your kids to be brain damaged. You asked for this.

A nation of sheep will be ruled by wolves.
Yup, science is bullshit. Where do you get your info from instead? Phone Post 3.0

lol

9/24/16 3:46 PM
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This saying springs to mind:

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Phone Post 3.0
9/24/16 5:02 PM
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BigJimDwyer -
Beards - This fine company create vaccines

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/22/epipen-maylan-ceo-defend-price-hikes-congress-heather-bresch?client=safari

https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/edsilverman/2013/09/24/what-did-mylan-get-for-1-6-billlion-a-vaccine-maker-with-a-troubled-factory/amp/?client=safari

Oh, but wait it's vaccines! Vaccines are a different entity. Companies can be completely unethical and driven only by profit, but when it comes to vaccine production they are like little angels floating down from heaven to save the sick.

Some people no matter how much it's in their face will never see how manipulated they are by the media with "science"



Wait. So your evidence that underpins your case for vaccines causing autism, is that a drug company hiked the price of epi pens?

And because they're bad people because they dared exploit shoddy legislation, that mean they're happy to peddle a cure that's going to be used for international vaccination programmes?

With logic like that how can anyone fail to take up your cause? Phone Post 3.0
Lol yup. Jesus Christ anti vaxxers are dumb. Phone Post 3.0
10/11/16 8:20 PM
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http://www.vaccineinjury.info/survey/results-unvaccinated/results-illnesses.html
10/11/16 9:27 PM
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Would antivaxxers get vaccinated before they travelled to central America to help with the sick in impoverished villages. Phone Post 3.0
10/11/16 9:43 PM
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Transporter - Would antivaxxers get vaccinated before they travelled to central America to help with the sick in impoverished villages. Phone Post 3.0

i hope not

10/11/16 11:43 PM
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Lol ?? Phone Post 3.0
10/18/16 8:46 PM
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http://m.cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/11/1458.full
10/18/16 8:47 PM
1/19/04
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https://vaccineimpact.com/2016/harvard-mumps-outbreak-the-real-story-mainstream-media-wont-tell-you/
10/27/16 10:13 PM
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As Governor of Virginia, Kaine signed into law a bill mandating human papillomavirus vaccination (HPV) for 6th-grade girls even though HPV is spread through sexual intercourse. The move came just months after Merck announced it would invest $57 million into its Virginia HPV vaccine facility. Over the years, Merck’s HPV vaccine Gardasil has come under fire for its terrible reputation of lacking in both efficacy and safety.

At the time of Merck’s announced investment, Kaine proclaimed: “This announcement not only increases Merck’s investment in Virginia, it provides a vital vaccine for women’s health.” Such a proclamation is totally devoid of evidence. While the vaccine does prevent HPV infections, it is yet to be determined whether it is actually effective at preventing the cervical cancer that is associated with the virus. The vaccine has also been associated with numerous deaths and debilitating disabilities in young women and girls.
10/27/16 11:51 PM
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The hpv vaccine has been an unmitigated success, you human tire fire.

10/28/16 6:57 AM
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demandango - 

The hpv vaccine has been an unmitigated success, you human tire fire.


You are completely misinformed
10/28/16 6:59 AM
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Beards - 
demandango - 

The hpv vaccine has been an unmitigated success, you human tire fire.


You are completely misinformed

Unless you work for big pharma, then yes a completely successful propaganda campaign leading to oooodles of money.
10/28/16 9:47 AM
5/20/10
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Beards -
Beards - 
demandango - 

The hpv vaccine has been an unmitigated success, you human tire fire.


You are completely misinformed

Unless you work for big pharma, then yes a completely successful propaganda campaign leading to oooodles of money.

So where do you draw the line. Do you take over the counter cold rememdies or pain killers?

10/28/16 9:51 AM
5/20/10
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Beards - As Governor of Virginia, Kaine signed into law a bill mandating human papillomavirus vaccination (HPV) for 6th-grade girls even though HPV is spread through sexual intercourse. The move came just months after Merck announced it would invest $57 million into its Virginia HPV vaccine facility. Over the years, Merck’s HPV vaccine Gardasil has come under fire for its terrible reputation of lacking in both efficacy and safety.

At the time of Merck’s announced investment, Kaine proclaimed: “This announcement not only increases Merck’s investment in Virginia, it provides a vital vaccine for women’s health.” Such a proclamation is totally devoid of evidence. While the vaccine does prevent HPV infections, it is yet to be determined whether it is actually effective at preventing the cervical cancer that is associated with the virus. The vaccine has also been associated with numerous deaths and debilitating disabilities in young women and girls.

This bit shows how badly informed the article is. 

 

"While the vaccine does prevent HPV infections, it is yet to be determined whether it is actually effective at preventing the cervical cancer that is associated with the virus"

 

The median age for presenting a case of cervical cancer is 49. The reason "it's to be determined" is the author hasn't allowed enough time to see if rates of development decrease.