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6/5/18 9:24 PM
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Soul Gravy -
Glowman - 

God could not have come from nothing. So who created him?


If God cannot come from nothing, how can a universe?

I am going by their way of thinking.

6/5/18 9:27 PM
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The Lion King - 

Mendel's laws of Genetics (scientific facts) contradict evolution. Second, if the universe came into existence BY random chance then there would be no reason for science because then ANY scientific laws could randomly change because of "random chance." For example, you atheists think that there was nothing and that the universe "just appeared" out of nowhere because of random chance. According to that logic then some magical unicorn could randomly appear or gravity might stop working because of "random chance" which is BS but it's still much more likely than our entire universe (if you've actually taken any science classes you'd know how complex our universe is) coming into existence by random chance. Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you. And remember, the Appeal to Ignorance fallacy is where you're saying something is true because there's no evidence against it, so you can't try to disprove any gods or anything. Also, all the events mentioned in the Bible have been shown to be historically accurate and many of the very specific prophecies that it made which were ridiculous at the time actually came true in the exact ways it said it would happen. Evolution has been proven to not work and there is 0% evidence that it actually happened. Ever wonder why they call them MISSING links? Go ahead, show me your evidence for evolution. I DARE you, but I know you won't because you can't.?


Nobody says "the universe came into existence by random chance"

"Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe."

Atheists dont claim proof that "nothing created the universe" Just that we dont believe anything without evidence. Especially not the bronze age version of lord of the rings.

"all the events mentioned in the Bible have been shown to be historically accurate"

LOL no not even close.

"Ever wonder why they call them MISSING links? "

The call it the missing link because people who don't believe in natural selection are likely missing a few chromosomes.

Seriously though there is rampant evidence of evolution in the fossil record. In order to not have any so called "missing links" the fossil record would have reveal every species ever to live with perfect continuity.

Incredible that anyone can look at the full scientific literature supporting evolution and say "no way" and then look at a magical book written by a bunch of people thousands of years ago and
say "oh yea thats where the truth is"
6/5/18 9:28 PM
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Though this has nothing to do with the concept of folling for the idea of worshipping a fictitious supreme being, look into Brane theory.

Basically: Two branes of enegy (membranes) touch and insane energy is sparked and then inflation starts.

 

6/5/18 9:30 PM
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Curtis_E_Bare -

present treatment. A hint from loop quantum gravity (LQG) theory is that when one wants to remove the ambiguities from LQG, the ordering factor should take the value p = −2 [18]. VIII. DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSION In summary, we have presented a mathematical proof that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing. When a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially if the ordering factor takes the value p = −2 (or 4). In this way, the early universe appears irreversibly. We have shown that it is the quantum potential that provides the power for the exponential expansion of the bubble. Thus, we can conclude that the birth of the early universe is completely determined by quantum mechanism. One may ask the question when and how space, time and matter appear in the early universe from nothing. With the exponential expansion of the bubble, it is doubtless that space and time will emerge. Due to Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, there should be virtual particle pairs created by quantum fluctuations. Generally speaking, a virtual particle pair will annihilate soon after its birth. But, two virtual particles from a pair can be separated immediately before annihilation due to the exponential expansion of the bubble. Therefore, there would be a large amount of real particles created as vacuum bubble expands exponentially. A rigorous mathematical calculation for the rate of particle creation with the exponential expansion of the bubble will be studied in our future work. IX. ACKNOWLEDGMENT We thank the referees for their helpful comments and suggestions that significantly polish this work. Financial support from NSFC under Grant No. 11074283, and NBRPC under Grant Nos. 2013CB922003 is appreciated. [1] B. A. Bassett, Rev. Mod. Phys. 78, 537(2006). [2] A. A. Starobinsky, JETP Lett. 30, 682 (1979) [Pisma Zh. Eksp. Teor. Fiz. 30,719 (1979)]. [3] A. A. Starobinsky, Phys. Lett. B 91, 99 (1980). [4] A. H. Guth, Phys. Rev. D 23, 347 (1981). [5] B. S. DeWitt, Phys. Rev. 160, 1113 (1967). [6] A. Vilenkin, Phys. Rev. D 50, 2581 (1994). [7] N. Pinto-Neto and J. C. Fabris, Classical Quantum Gravity 30, 143001 (2013). [8] N. Pinto-Neto, F. T. Falciano, R. Pereira, and E. S. Santini, Phys. Rev. D 86, 063504 (2012). [9] S. P. Kim, Phys. Lett. A 236, 11 (1997). [10] S. W. Hawking, Nucl. Phys. B 239, 257 (1984). [11] D. Bohm, Phys. Rev. 85, 166 (1952). [12] P. R. Holland, The quantum Theory of Motion. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge (1993). [13] A. Vilenkin, Phys. Rev. D 37, 888 (1988). [14] L. P. Grishchuk, Classical Quantum Gravity 10, 2449 (1993). [15] J. B. Hartle, S. W. Hawking, and T. Hertog, J. Cosmol. Astropart. Phys. 01 (2014) 015. [16] D. H. Coule, Classical Quantum Gravity 22, R125 (2005). [17] J. B. Hartle and S. W. Hawking, Phys. Rev. D 28, 2960 (1983). [18] W. Nelson and M. Sakellariadou, Phys. Rev. D 78, 024006 (2008). [19] When x ? |ν 2 − 1/4|, Bessel functions take the asymptotic forms, Iν(x) ∼ e x / √ 2πx, Kν(x) ∼ e −x / √ 2πx, Jν (x ? |ν 2 − 1/4|) ∼ p 2/πx cos(x − νπ/2 − π/4), and Yν (x ? |ν 2−1/4|) ∼ p 2/πx sin(x−νπ/2−π/4). We can use these asymptotic forms to calculate S(a) and a(t) for large bubbles

I can't understand a damned bit of these posts, yet they still make more sense than the alternative.

6/5/18 9:34 PM
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6/5/18 9:39 PM
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The burden of proof is on you homeboy. 

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6/5/18 10:02 PM
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Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

6/5/18 10:05 PM
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Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

6/5/18 10:07 PM
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The Lion King - 
Poleeko -

So if your God created the universe then where did he/she come from?

God is an eternal being who transcends mortal concepts such as time and space. He has always existed. 

Educate yourself, unwashed barbarian. 

*smug French laugh*


Good post
6/5/18 10:08 PM
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Soul Gravy -
Glowman - 

God could not have come from nothing. So who created him?


If God cannot come from nothing, how can a universe?

God has existed for olam and "nothing" does not exist logically (npi)

6/5/18 10:16 PM
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Yes but if God exists why are deviled eggs so good? Isn't the devil supposed to be bad? How do you explain this? I DARE you. Theism debunked.

6/5/18 10:20 PM
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If god transends space and time how do you know about him?
6/5/18 10:23 PM
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Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

 

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

6/5/18 10:27 PM
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There can be no proof that God exists because it would remove the need for faith. This is core Christian theology, arguing otherwise is blasphemy.

6/5/18 10:34 PM
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The smarter theists (ie the Catholics) have made their peace with evolution. It's only the shit for brains evangelicals who are still fighting it.
6/5/18 10:39 PM
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Glowman - 

God could not have come from nothing. So who created him?


why can't God come from nothing?

Edited: 6/5/18 10:42 PM
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"Mendel's laws of Genetics (scientific facts) contradict evolution. "


I like that within the very first sentence, this thread established itself as a true OG thread, gleaming brightly alongside such greats as the anti-vaxx thread with respect to its inspirational scientific literacy. Faggot.

6/5/18 10:42 PM
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Brockback Mountain - If god transends space and time how do you know about him?

maybe you need to learn what the word "transcends" means.

 

in no way shape or form does it mean he can not mingle, alter, or deal with things in space and time.

6/5/18 10:45 PM
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I don't think OP is going to come back and respond to both of my posts about evolution.
6/5/18 10:47 PM
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Pretjah - 
Brockback Mountain - If god transends space and time how do you know about him?

maybe you need to learn what the word "transcends" means.

 

in no way shape or form does it mean he can not mingle, alter, or deal with things in space and time.


Ok fair enough, how did the god send you the details about him and how he transends time and space?
6/5/18 10:55 PM
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Brockback Mountain - If god transends space and time how do you know about him?

God is space time

Transends has nothing(pi) to do with it God is consciousness itself 

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6/5/18 11:05 PM
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toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

 

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

Let's get u edumuhcated

 

noth·ing

?n?THiNG/

pronoun

1.

not anything; no single thing

 

This concept of "nothing" is illogical and unscientific... reality is conciousness and consciousness is something 

That paragraph is garbage it explains nothing (double meaning intended)

6/5/18 11:06 PM
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rbl -

There can be no proof that God exists because it would remove the need for faith. This is core Christian theology, arguing otherwise is blasphemy.

Was Jesus God?