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6/5/18 11:13 PM
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toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

6/5/18 11:15 PM
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Pretjah -
Glowman - 

God could not have come from nothing. So who created him?


why can't God come from nothing?

It's their logic to the answer to these questions.

 

How can backwards dog come from nothing?

Edited: 6/5/18 11:18 PM
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toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -
toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

 

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

Let's get u edumuhcated

 

noth·ing

?n?THiNG/

pronoun

1.

not anything; no single thing

 

This concept of "nothing" is illogical and unscientific... reality is conciousness and consciousness is something 

That paragraph is garbage it explains nothing (double meaning intended)

Physicists don't use your pocket Webster's Dictionary. 

 

https://phys.org/news/2014-08-what-is-nothing.html

6/5/18 11:19 PM
11/5/03
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Glowman -
toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

Yahweh the real One

6/5/18 11:27 PM
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Curtis_E_Bare -
toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -
toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

 

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

Let's get u edumuhcated

 

noth·ing

?n?THiNG/

pronoun

1.

not anything; no single thing

 

This concept of "nothing" is illogical and unscientific... reality is conciousness and consciousness is something 

That paragraph is garbage it explains nothing (double meaning intended)

Physicists don't use your pocket Webster's Dictionary. 

 

https://phys.org/news/2014-08-what-is-nothing.html

Yes let take a look at said big brains like Krause(from article)...

"There are physicists like Lawrence Krauss that argue the "universe from nothing", really meaning "the universe from a potentiality". Which comes down to if you add all the mass and energy in the universe, all the gravitational curvature, everything… it looks like it all sums up to zero. So it is possible that the universe really did come from nothing. And if that's the case, then "nothing" is everything we see around us, and "everything" is nothing."

Lol at this pseudoscientific drivel zero is conceptual and not phycial matter

6/5/18 11:32 PM
7/26/12
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I see where you're confused OP. Being stuck on Mendelian genetics as the end all of genetics must be confusing. 

 

In only 5 short years you can take up arms to protect states rights to maintain slaves! 

 

Fuck yes 1856

6/5/18 11:35 PM
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toelocku - 
Brockback Mountain - If god transends space and time how do you know about him?

God is space time

Transends has nothing(pi) to do with it God is consciousness itself 


Yea unpack that for me?

How do you know this?
6/5/18 11:36 PM
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toelocku - 
Glowman -
toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

Yahweh the real One


Based on science or based on magic book your parents gave you?
6/6/18 12:23 AM
2/20/09
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I love theists.

”we can’t explain it, so it can’t be so AND the most logical answer is GOD!”

lol, what?

Did gravity not exist until Newton put a name to it?

serious question:  What seems more plausible?

1. That science has not reached its full potential or ability to explain EVERYTHING just yet.

or..

2.  There a man living in the sky that created everything and we are cast in his likeness.

6/6/18 2:32 AM
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Nothing was here .. then boom .. it was .. that’s just it .. shit happens .. no rhyme no reason .. you don’t need a god or a this or a that .. we passed that mind set now .. we don’t need that belief system anymore .. grow the fuck up op .. educate yourself you cretin 

6/6/18 5:31 AM
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Subbed for later 

6/6/18 6:24 AM
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Brockback Mountain -
toelocku - 
Brockback Mountain - If god transends space and time how do you know about him?

God is space time

Transends has nothing(pi) to do with it God is consciousness itself 


Yea unpack that for me?

How do you know this?

Space time is material and spirit/immaterial 

God is everything 

6/6/18 6:29 AM
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Brockback Mountain -
toelocku - 
Glowman -
toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

Yahweh the real One


Based on science or based on magic book your parents gave you?

The science in my magic book of course 

6/6/18 6:30 AM
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TFK_Geoff G Electric -

Nothing was here .. then boom .. it was .. that’s just it .. shit happens .. no rhyme no reason .. you don’t need a god or a this or a that .. we passed that mind set now .. we don’t need that belief system anymore .. grow the fuck up op .. educate yourself you cretin 

Yea op shit happens its science 

6/6/18 6:37 AM
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Anyone who is having trouble understanding the concept of something being created out of nothingness either is not now or has never been married.  Wives turn nothing into something all the goddamn time. 

6/6/18 6:41 AM
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6/6/18 7:00 AM
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toelocku - 
Glowman -
toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

Yahweh the real One


How do you know he's the real one when every religion claims that their god is the real one?
6/6/18 7:11 AM
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This is too stupid to bother.

6/6/18 7:39 AM
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David@accu -
toelocku - 
Glowman -
toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

Yahweh the real One


How do you know he's the real one when every religion claims that their god is the real one?

1 +1=?  How do you yiu know there is one correct answer when there is an infinite number of possible numbers?

6/6/18 8:08 AM
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toelocku - 
Glowman -
toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

Yahweh the real One


How do you know he's the real one when every religion claims that their god is the real one?

Yahweh is just a descriptor word... God is God universally 

6/6/18 8:10 AM
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Curtis_E_Bare -
toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

 

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

“It has been suggested...”

Your “evidence” proves absolutely nothing. The write up you posted lists several factors that it is unable to account for, and then has this little nugget shoved into the middle of it.

“Although the picture of the universe created spontaneously from nothing has emerged for a long time, a rigorous mathematical foundation for such a picture is still missing.”

If you believe the universe came from nothing then you are basing your beliefs on just as big of a fairytale as you claim theists do.

6/6/18 8:11 AM
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toelocku - 
David@accu -
toelocku - 
Glowman -
toelocku -
Glowman -

Who created God?

Which God?

Pick one.

Yahweh the real One


How do you know he's the real one when every religion claims that their god is the real one?

Yahweh is just a descriptor word... God is God universally 


Not unless he has multiple personality disorder and contradicts himself...which isn't logical.
Edited: 6/6/18 9:07 AM
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The Jentleman -
Curtis_E_Bare -
toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

 

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

“It has been suggested...”

Your “evidence” proves absolutely nothing. The write up you posted lists several factors that it is unable to account for, and then has this little nugget shoved into the middle of it.

“Although the picture of the universe created spontaneously from nothing has emerged for a long time, a rigorous mathematical foundation for such a picture is still missing.”

If you believe the universe came from nothing then you are basing your beliefs on just as big of a fairytale as you claim theists do.

"“Although the picture of the universe created spontaneously from nothing has emerged for a long time, a rigorous mathematical foundation for such a picture is still missing.”

 

Which the paper then goes on to provide.

Edited: 6/6/18 9:29 AM
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Curtis_E_Bare -
The Jentleman -
Curtis_E_Bare -
toelocku -
Curtis_E_Bare -

" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

 

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

 

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

“It has been suggested...”

Your “evidence” proves absolutely nothing. The write up you posted lists several factors that it is unable to account for, and then has this little nugget shoved into the middle of it.

“Although the picture of the universe created spontaneously from nothing has emerged for a long time, a rigorous mathematical foundation for such a picture is still missing.”

If you believe the universe came from nothing then you are basing your beliefs on just as big of a fairytale as you claim theists do.

"“Although the picture of the universe created spontaneously from nothing has emerged for a long time, a rigorous mathematical foundation for such a picture is still missing.”

 

Which the paper then goes on to provide.

No it doesn’t. “Is still missing”... . It openly states that there are factors that it cannot account for. What it does, is continue with conjecture based on what has been “suggested”.  A belief not based on facts.

Congratulations. In the arrogance of trying to seem above fairytales, you believe in one just because it was concocted by “scientists”.

Edited: 6/6/18 10:15 AM
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The Jentleman -
 

No it doesn’t. “Is still missing”... . It openly states that there are factors that it cannot account for. What it does, is continue with conjecture based on what has been “suggested”.  A belief not based on facts.

Congratulations. In the arrogance of trying to seem above fairytales, you believe in one just because it was concocted by “scientists”.

 

"An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing, but no
rigorous proof has been given. In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions
of theWheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE)."

 

"In summary, we have presented a mathematical proof
that the universe can be created spontaneously from
nothing. When a small true vacuum bubble is created
by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum,
it can expand exponentially if the ordering factor takes
the value p = −2 (or 4)."