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Curtis_E_Bare -The Jentleman -Curtis_E_Bare -The Jentleman -Curtis_E_Bare -toelocku -Curtis_E_Bare -" Also go ahead and tell me how you would prove that nothing created the universe. Go ahead, I DARE you."

Mathematical proof, in the form of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

Lol quantum matter isn't "nothing"

"With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where 'nothing' means there is neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of singularity can be avoided naturally."

You should probably know the definitions of the words before you try and criticize.

“It has been suggested...”

Your “evidence” proves absolutely nothing. The write up you posted lists several factors that it is unable to account for, and then has this little nugget shoved into the middle of it.

“Although the picture of the universe created spontaneously from nothing has emerged for a long time, a rigorous mathematical foundation for such a picture is still missing.”

If you believe the universe came from nothing then you are basing your beliefs on just as big of a fairytale as you claim theists do.

"“Although the picture of the universe created spontaneously from nothing has emerged for a long time, a rigorous mathematical foundation for such a picture is still missing.”

Which the paper then goes on to provide.

No it doesn’t. “Is still missing”... . It openly states that there are factors that it cannot account for. What it does, is continue with conjecture based on what has been “suggested”. A belief not based on facts.

Congratulations. In the arrogance of trying to seem above fairytales, you believe in one just because it was concocted by “scientists”.

"In summary, we have presented a mathematical proof

that the universe can be created spontaneously from

nothing. When a small true vacuum bubble is created

by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum,

it can expand exponentially if the ordering factor takes

the value p = −2 (or 4)."

can you please explain to a dummy like me how a bubble can form in nothing?

thanks please use small words for my sake