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10/24/19 3:07 PM
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Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.
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https://abc30.com/new-video-shows-deadly-shot-to-back-of-teens-head-from-fresno-police-officer/5639181/

New police chief Andy Hall declined to comment for this story because of the pending lawsuit, but the city's Office of Independent Review, the OIR, found the shooting within policy.
10/24/19 3:10 PM
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Good riddance to that trash. If he didnt run he would be alive, but thankfully we now dont have to pay for his murder trial and incarceration.

10/24/19 3:11 PM
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Good shot. Nice job officer.

10/24/19 3:12 PM
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willim - Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.

The brother who didn't run pled guilty to the shooting murder they were suspected of

10/24/19 3:12 PM
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turducken -

Good riddance to that trash. If he didnt run he would be alive, but thankfully we now dont have to pay for his murder trial and incarceration.

2019 America: run away from

cops get shot in head. MAGA!

10/24/19 3:12 PM
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willim - https://abc30.com/new-video-shows-deadly-shot-to-back-of-teens-head-from-fresno-police-officer/5639181/

New police chief Andy Hall declined to comment for this story because of the pending lawsuit, but the city's Office of Independent Review, the OIR, found the shooting within policy.

Of course it's within policy. Cops have to shoot someone every day or else the excess bullets just pile up.

 

10/24/19 3:13 PM
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Was he black? 

10/24/19 3:13 PM
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It does look like the guy is pulling his pants up which could be mistaken for reaching for something in your waistband

10/24/19 3:14 PM
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It looks like the confusion came as the suspect was looking back while holding his jeans at his waist while running.  I can see that being interpreted as trying to pull a gun.

 

 

10/24/19 3:15 PM
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turducken - 
willim - Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.

The brother who didn't run pled guilty to the shooting murder they were suspected of


But what does Matt Serra have to say about it?
10/24/19 3:15 PM
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turducken - 
willim - Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.

The brother who didn't run pled guilty to the shooting murder they were suspected of


no shit huh? was there evidence this kid actually was involved?

still dont like the shoot but it explains why the OIR gave him the benefit of the doubt.
10/24/19 3:19 PM
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turducken -
willim - Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.

The brother who didn't run pled guilty to the shooting murder they were suspected of

Hindsight is how use of deadly force works. 

 

Undertrained and lazy cops who don't want to chase someone anymore should not be allowed to pretend they feared for their lives and shoot someone who is fleeing. There is absolutely nothing in that video that shows him reaching for any weapons and certainly nothing that poses an imminent threat to the officers lives or others. 

10/24/19 3:20 PM
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"Murder suspect shot while running from police" is more accurate but less dramatic for media purposes.

10/24/19 3:20 PM
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FETT_Lay'n'PrayNINJA - 
turducken -
willim - Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.

The brother who didn't run pled guilty to the shooting murder they were suspected of

Hindsight is how use of deadly force works. 

 

Undertrained and lazy cops who don't want to chase someone anymore should not be allowed to pretend they feared for their lives and shoot someone who is fleeing. There is absolutely nothing in that video that shows him reaching for any weapons and certainly nothing that poses an imminent threat to the officers lives or others. 


I don't think it is being raised for hindsight but to show that they were chasing what they suspected to be murderers who ended up being murderers, so their suspicions were not ill founded.

Also he does reach for his waist band.
10/24/19 3:21 PM
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turducken -
willim - Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.

The brother who didn't run pled guilty to the shooting murder they were suspected of

Hindsight is how use of deadly force works. 

 

Undertrained and lazy cops who don't want to chase someone anymore should not be allowed to pretend they feared for their lives and shoot someone who is fleeing. There is absolutely nothing in that video that shows him reaching for any weapons and certainly nothing that poses an imminent threat to the officers lives or others. 

Can't police shoot fleeing murder suspects?  I thought they could.

10/24/19 3:25 PM
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Oh to make it better, it was a daycare center he jumped the fence of. So you have a murder suspect (who did end up committing the murder) who you have reason to suspect is armed, jump a fence to a daycare center and reach with his far hand to his waistband...

"A newly surfaced video appears to show the moment a Fresno police officer shot and killed a 16-year-old boy back in 2017.

The video -- released by Fresno attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the teen's father -- is expected to be used in an upcoming civil trial against the Fresno Police Department.

The suit alleges that the officer used excessive and unlawful deadly force, and committed assault and battery with negligence.

Isiah Murrietta-Golding was unarmed the day he was shot and killed, April 14, 2017, according to a federal civil rights lawsuit.

Sgt. Ray Villalvazo, a former homicide detective, is named in the lawsuit as the officer who shot the teen.

The upcoming trial is scheduled for October 2020. 'We have filed this lawsuit because it's clear to us that the shooting was unjustified,' Chandler said.

Moments before the shooting, police had pulled over a car with Murrietta-Golding inside at a shopping center at Shaw and Fresno avenue.

An officer commanded Murrietta-Golding to step out of the vehicle, put his hands behind his head and take a few steps back toward the officer.

That's when Murrietta-Golding took off running through the busy parking lot, according to the suit.

Eventually, Murrietta-Golding jumped the fence of a daycare center. There, video taken from surveillance camera shows an officer crouch down slightly, then fire at the teen through the fencing.

The video shows Murrietta-Golding, who was shot in the back of the head, immediately drop to the ground.

'Sgt. Villalvazo fired a single shot, which tore through Isiah's occipital lobe,' the lawsuit says.

Former Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said back in March 2018 that an internal police investigation determined that 'Sgt. Villalvazo's actions were within department policy,' and that the shooting was justified because the teen was wanted for the murder of 19-year-old Eugenio Ybarra, who died a day prior to the Murrietta-Golding shooting.

Dyer also said then that Murrietta-Golding 'reached into his waistband several times,' including when he looked back at Sgt. Villalvazo the moment just before he was shot.

'Fearing he was about to be shot, Sgt. Villalvazo fired one round, striking Murrietta-Golding,' Dyer said.

Chandler disagrees with the former chief.

'There absolutely is no way the officer's life was in danger,' Chandler said. 'He was running away and he was trying to hold up his pants.

'And for the chief to make a comment that it was justified to shoot Isiah because he was considered a possible suspect, it's not the place of the police to make that determination and without a trial.

'You can't do that in America.'

New Fresno Police Chief Andy Hall could not be reached for comment Tuesday night."
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turducken -
willim - Police say the officer believed the boy might be armed, but it turned out he was not.

"Isiah and his brother were considered possible or probable suspects," said plaintiff's attorney Stuart Chandler, who represents the boy's father. "There was not a warrant for their arrest. There was no conduct by Isiah that day to ever show that he had a gun - because, of course, he didn't."

Murrietta never stood up again after the gunshot hit him in the back of the head.

Police had tried to detain the 16-year-old a few minutes earlier in a shopping center parking lot near Shaw and Fresno.

The brother who didn't run pled guilty to the shooting murder they were suspected of

Hindsight is how use of deadly force works. 

 

Undertrained and lazy cops who don't want to chase someone anymore should not be allowed to pretend they feared for their lives and shoot someone who is fleeing. There is absolutely nothing in that video that shows him reaching for any weapons and certainly nothing that poses an imminent threat to the officers lives or others. 

Can't police shoot fleeing murder suspects?  I thought they could.


"Law enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

I think there's no question this fits. He wasn't pulled over for speeding.
10/24/19 3:27 PM
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At least the cop didn't empty a mag across the backyard like we often see.  One shot, one kill!

10/24/19 3:27 PM
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Former Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said back in March 2018 that an internal police investigation determined that 'Sgt. Villalvazo's actions were within department policy,' and that the shooting was justified because the teen was wanted for the murder of 19-year-old Eugenio Ybarra, who died a day prior to the Murrietta-Golding shooting.

Dyer also said then that Murrietta-Golding 'reached into his waistband several times,' including when he looked back at Sgt. Villalvazo the moment just before he was shot.

'Fearing he was about to be shot, Sgt. Villalvazo fired one round, striking Murrietta-Golding,' Dyer said.

Chandler disagrees with the former chief.

'There absolutely is no way the officer's life was in danger,' Chandler said. 'He was running away and he was trying to hold up his pants.

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And what does holding up your pants look like?
10/24/19 3:27 PM
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Just think, a belt or proper fitting pants might have saved his life. Or you know, not committing a murder and then fleeing armed police.
10/24/19 3:27 PM
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He clearly reached for his waistband.  In retrospect he was probably just trying to keep his pants from falling down.  Play stupid games, etc.

Poor kid seems like a victim of his own stupidity.  

 

10/24/19 3:28 PM
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A new surveillance video is shedding light on a deadly 2017 police shooting of a teenage murder suspect as he tried to run away. It shows then-16-year-old climbing a fence, then falling to the ground after being shot in the back of the head. Now the teen's parents are suing over his death.

Police said three separate agencies investigated the case and the shooting was ruled justified, reports CBS News correspondent David Begnaud. They said at the time the teen, who was unarmed, was suspected of murder. But the family's lawyer said just look at the tape.

On April 15, 2017, 16-year-old Isiah Murrietta-Golding leaped a fence, running from the police after a traffic stop. He made it eights steps before an officer on the other side of the fence pulled his trigger and shot him. Then Murrietta-Golding was seen crumpling to the ground.

But police said there's more to the story than just how it ended. Body cam from one of the officers showed it started about a minute earlier when a car driven by Murrietta-Golding's brother was stopped at a shopping center. They were both suspected of a deadly shooting the day before.

As police ordered, "Down on your knees!" Murrietta-Golding took off running. Police chased him across a road and over a fence where you could hear the fatal shot.

Sgt. Ray Villalvazo, the officer identified in the lawsuit as the one who pulled the trigger, said during the chase, Murrietta-Golding reached for his waist multiple times – and that's why the sergeant said he feared for his life.

Police said Murrietta-Golding was known to carry a gun, and he was on the grounds of a pre-school when shot.

The mother's wrongful death suit claims during the foot chase, Murrietta-Golding "never threatened any officer" or made "any threatening gestures," and that nothing Murrietta-Golding might have done "justified the use of deadly force."

"You can't say that every time an officer fires a gun it's automatically OK. There has to be a line when you say, this is not acceptable. And this is one of those cases," family attorney Stuart Chandler said.

Fresno police said Stuart Chandler's then-17-year-old brother, who was in the car with him before the shooting, was arrested and pleaded guilty to the murder the brothers were suspected of committing. The family's lawyer said that shouldn't matter.