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Should we be worried that that bum just completely dealt with 2 trained officers, including a Sgt, albeit a seemingly hot headed aggressive Sgt.
There is something disturbing about that.. Two grown men of decent size couldn't pull out and control a soft idiot like that. Look at the Rashard Brooks case, another case where 2 cops couldn't contain a lone drunk guy.. Jacob Blake is another case where 3 cops were in the scene and Jacib still was able to get one in a chokehold and then just walk away..wtf?!
Doesn't seem like cops do any sort of grappling training. That should be mandatory
I've never done any of it, so I don't mean this as snarky at all but as a real question--have you ever tried to handcuff someone who is full resisting? From what the LEOs on here have said, including ones with MMA and other experience, it isn't as easy as it sounds and even an untrained douchebag like this can give someone fits even if they know what they are doing. It seems like they just lost an arm for a minute and he got the gun.
yes. it is hard. I have been in a bunch of deals like that. the whiny argumentative shit is just like what george floyd did. It is a distraction and meant to give themselves time or an opportunity to escape, or to ditch something, or to plan .
The first time they refuse to obey a command, consider that a line in the sand. To continually repeat yourself is to expose yourself to danger as opposed to handling up on it. If you give a warning , follow up. Talk is cheap.
of course I have choked a bunch of mother fuckers out. When I first started we had hickory batons. we did not have spray or tazers. I had probably choked out close to 40 people, before they banned it. We trained it in DT.
getting people out of cars sucks. What I had done before is guillotine them and put all my weight down on them pushing their head between their legs. Works when you get both legs out of car. Another way is the guy on passenger side go ahead and get in car and just drive thru them. Like a football block, grab an arm and then put your feet on floor against the car, just inside of door and just press using your legs, and you can put your forehead on their ear, driving them, with driver side guy guy pulling and clearing hands from grabbing shit. You can give them some pops and continue to tell them to let go. I would take my left arm and loop under their right arm and then over their shoulder or grab a collar or a hand full of hair if they have it. Keep track of their left hand with my right hand, my gunside away and relatively safe. They will grab the steering wheel most of the time. Near impossible to remove , even two hands on one. very dangerous, you are exposed to ALL of his weapons.
when we got asp batons. I would use it closed to strike their fingers and backs of their hands. bang bang bang continue to strike their hands with closed baton tip. like a metal pipe. They would hang on and scream like banshees. Just keep hitting bang bang bang saying let go let go let go with every strike. eventually they let go and scramble, thats when you puuuuuuuuush some more. game of inches lol. If they bite or strike. Then pop them right in face as hard as you can pop pop pop say stop biting. Like training a dog. repeating dont bite dont bite , dont hit dont hit. With a punch every time you say it.
Before asps, just punch the fuck out of their arms and hands.
Fucking assholes. I was trying to pull a guys hands off of the cage in my squad. he just had a narrow edge and I could not get one hand off with both of mine and I was pretty stout , a lot stronger than him. I pulled so hard both of my hands popped off and I hit the back of my head on edge of car door. I got 6 stitches on my noggin.
it is like Greco in a car with relaxed rules.
In your experience, was using the hair as a pain compliance tool and to use as a handle allowed? Seems it could have been used to good effect in this case
we trained that too. We called it a hair latch. Grab both side of crown, bundle handful of hair in both hands, curl hands under with a little twist. Start walking, just walk the fuck off like pulling a log thru the woods.
works like a fucking boss. It is still in policy in my old agency. However, longer hair not in as much. I did not notice if the dude had long hair. also if they have product in, it can hinder the grip.
I've found it to be a very effective tool, albeit as a civilian. Good to know its allowed in law enforcement in some places, but seems very underutilized.