OtherGround Forums Corona deaths.... 99% had underlying conditions

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2/2/08
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR2ppB3ieQClU3QxmQA2lZl3sEIp95uI83wRLs2-WeoAYfZp7zAuK_oSol0

1 day ago
3/18/02
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shut it down!

1 day ago
1/1/01
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Would those 99% died in the same time period without the Corona virus?  If those people would have continued to live a normal to them life for years to come, it's still a pretty large issue. 

1 day ago
8/20/02
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kungfugrip -

Would those 99% died in the same time period without the Corona virus?  If those people would have continued to live a normal to them life for years to come, it's still a pretty large issue. 

Not large enough to destroy the economy and millions of lives. This is starting to look like a test. They should’ve advised the sick and elderly to self isolate. Not the entire planet. 

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6/15/19
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Palmala Handerson - 
kungfugrip -

Would those 99% died in the same time period without the Corona virus?  If those people would have continued to live a normal to them life for years to come, it's still a pretty large issue. 

Not large enough to destroy the economy and millions of lives. This is starting to look like a test. They should’ve advised the sick and elderly to self isolate. Not the entire planet. 


I think it's less a "test" and more a new virus that people don't fully understand yet.
1 day ago
3/18/02
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still no reason to destroy the economy and thousands of households

1 day ago
1/1/01
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Most people aren’t perfectly healthy. Hypertension is pretty common

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1/1/01
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There are probably millions of people out there with underlying conditions and they don’t even know they have underlying conditions. 

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2/2/08
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kungfugrip - 

Would those 99% died in the same time period without the Corona virus?  If those people would have continued to live a normal to them life for years to come, it's still a pretty large issue. 


https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/?fbclid=IwAR3ZWuTSgHCZruWUCGrU68iqzkns-8vBEl6U6rM8i8O0TMGG5crdsdvP0YY
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10/22/14
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In England it's around 95% with pre-existing conditions. Obviously every country will be recording this data a little differently. 

Oddly enough the percentage with pre-existing conditions actually increases with age not decreases. Of course older people have a higher percentage of their population with pre-existing conditions. Younger people with underlying conditions are much less likely to be diagnosed which could have an impact on the data, still I didn't expect that to be the case. 

Looking at the details, it looks like they are reporting some mental health and learning disabilities as pre-existing conditions. Also the other category is 42.5% of the total pre-existing conditions with 71% of total deaths registering an other pre-existing condition so it's really hard to determine much from this breakdown but still interesting to see a breakdown of what these conditions are and their prevalence.

Would be cooool to see the breakdown of the conditions vs what percentage of the general population has these conditions. It might just be that 26% of adult population has diabetes for example. 

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6/28/10
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See!!!! Trump was right!!! MAGA!!!!

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9/26/10
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of course this is a serious deal. but should we all be locked in our houses because of the people who go through life without any self control? hopefully we are to have a more focused response when the 2nd wave comes

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6/26/13
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Caleb - 

There are probably millions of people out there with underlying conditions and they don’t even know they have underlying conditions. 


I agree with this sentiment, who gives a fuck if china flu is only killing those with underlining conditions. Lots of people have underlining conditions. Kids dying because of diabetes mixed with covid when they would have lived it shit. Im doing all I can to stop the spread and flatten the curve. I dont need to go to the mall or bar for awhile.
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3/18/02
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ufc98newb - 

of course this is a serious deal. but should we all be locked in our houses because of the people who go through life without any self control? hopefully we are to have a more focused response when the 2nd wave comes


when did the first wave come?  I mean, the reason to lock down was to not collapse the health care system.

that never happened, not even in NY.    So if the kung flu came when the world was caught off guard and didnt collapse anything (other than peoples businesses and jobs), why would the flu manchu be worse the second time around when people have their guards up?  

Time to stop buying into the MSM narrative and get back to work. 

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8/20/02
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chad_mcjangle -
Palmala Handerson - 
kungfugrip -

Would those 99% died in the same time period without the Corona virus?  If those people would have continued to live a normal to them life for years to come, it's still a pretty large issue. 

Not large enough to destroy the economy and millions of lives. This is starting to look like a test. They should’ve advised the sick and elderly to self isolate. Not the entire planet. 


I think it's less a "test" and more a new virus that people don't fully understand yet.

You’re probably right and I guess I agree but Covid pushed my shit in so I’m a little biased LOL. 

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2/9/09
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BigEyedFish -

still no reason to destroy the economy and thousands of households

Right but its easy to say that after the fact. The situation was, no one knew what this virus had the capability of doing. So they made an error on the side of caution. 

 

Either way, people lost: Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, Children, Brothers, Sisters etc. That, if this Virus never existed,they could have had many years ahead of them. 

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7/14/17
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You'll all be fine. Just live life. 

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1/1/01
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One of the underlying conditions is high blood pressure.  Even if you have it under control with medication, it's still an underlying condition.  Without covid one could live another 50 years with that condition.  And one out of three Americans have high blood pressure.  So it's not so easy to dismiss a fatality from that.

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1/1/01
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BigEyedFish - 
ufc98newb - 

of course this is a serious deal. but should we all be locked in our houses because of the people who go through life without any self control? hopefully we are to have a more focused response when the 2nd wave comes


when did the first wave come?  I mean, the reason to lock down was to not collapse the health care system.

that never happened, not even in NY.    So if the kung flu came when the world was caught off guard and didnt collapse anything (other than peoples businesses and jobs), why would the flu manchu be worse the second time around when people have their guards up?  

Time to stop buying into the MSM narrative and get back to work. 


I'm no epidemiologist but there is precedent for the second wave being worse.  Possibly due to getting into flu season and people getting the virus plus the flu at the same time.   

Here is what H1N1 did

 

Now that is not an argument to stay locked down or to lock down again.  I think even if a second wave comes we know enough now where we can take precautions to keep the economy going and deal with the virus at the same time.

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3/18/02
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The Closed Guard - 
BigEyedFish -

still no reason to destroy the economy and thousands of households

Right but its easy to say that after the fact. The situation was, no one knew what this virus had the capability of doing. So they made an error on the side of caution. 

 

Either way, people lost: Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, Children, Brothers, Sisters etc. That, if this Virus never exsisted, could have had many years ahead of them. 


lol but there are a TON of places still on lockdown or operating (select only) businesses with ridiculous ":safeguards" that make no sense

what is still going on is enough to cripple the economy for years to come due to closures 

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1/1/01
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BigEyedFish - 
The Closed Guard - 
BigEyedFish -

still no reason to destroy the economy and thousands of households

Right but its easy to say that after the fact. The situation was, no one knew what this virus had the capability of doing. So they made an error on the side of caution. 

 

Either way, people lost: Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, Children, Brothers, Sisters etc. That, if this Virus never exsisted, could have had many years ahead of them. 


lol but there are a TON of places still on lockdown or operating (select only) businesses with ridiculous ":safeguards" that make no sense

what is still going on is enough to cripple the economy for years to come due to closures 


I agree this is going to fuck things up for a very long time.  Even sweden who had minimal lockdowns are experiencing similiar economic impacts.  Because people were still concerned about the virus and weren't going to restuarants and other businesses.  It has smashed every economy on the planet to various degrees.   

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6/1/10
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Soup and Beer -
BigEyedFish - 
The Closed Guard - 
BigEyedFish -

still no reason to destroy the economy and thousands of households

Right but its easy to say that after the fact. The situation was, no one knew what this virus had the capability of doing. So they made an error on the side of caution. 

 

Either way, people lost: Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, Children, Brothers, Sisters etc. That, if this Virus never exsisted, could have had many years ahead of them. 


lol but there are a TON of places still on lockdown or operating (select only) businesses with ridiculous ":safeguards" that make no sense

what is still going on is enough to cripple the economy for years to come due to closures 


I agree this is going to fuck things up for a very long time.  Even sweden who had minimal lockdowns are experiencing similiar economic impacts.  Because people were still concerned about the virus and weren't going to restuarants and other businesses.  It has smashed every economy on the planet to various degrees.   

In NYC we only were able to gain control of this with a lockdown. If during the height of this we had packed NYC streets and especially packed subways we would be in an even worse spot. Having had childhood asthma is a precondition, high blood pressure, diabetes including childhood, obesity (which now a days is a lot of people) the elderly, there are a few more preconditions that you wouldn’t think would be that serious. Not to mention the perfectly healthy who they then say he must’ve had something going on with him oh well we’ll never know

1 day ago
1/1/01
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kungfugrip -

Would those 99% died in the same time period without the Corona virus?  If those people would have continued to live a normal to them life for years to come, it's still a pretty large issue. 

One of the things that comes from this needs to be people taking care of themselves better.  Lose weight , exercise, eat better etc to lesson the effect of these pre existing conditions.

1 day ago
6/1/10
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Economy would’ve stopped no matter what private businesses can’t force you to work for them. And when this started getting bad, people freaked out and stayed home. Including the CEOs and presidents of their companies. No one cares enough about their employer to go in and sacrifice themselves.

1 day ago
1/12/07
Posts: 19605

UK has shenanigans too!

 

 

95% of all Victims were already sick;
"In patients over 80-years-old this figure was 96%, 60-79-years-old 95%, 40-59-years-old 88% and 20-39-years-old 82%."
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Tens of Thousands of test double counted;
"Diagnostic tests which involve taking saliva and nasal samples from the same patient are being counted as two tests, not one."
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11,000 people sadly died in Care-homes from Covid.
"More than 11,600 people have died from coronavirus in care homes across the UK since the start of the pandemic, figures suggest."
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More people dying at home during Covid-19 pandemic
"About 8,000 more people have died in their own homes since the start of the coronavirus pandemic than in normal times, a Guardian analysis has found, as concerns grow over the number avoiding going to hospital."
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Healthy' people without coronavirus symptoms must also isolate if tracked
"People who have no symptoms of coronavirus must be prepared from June 1 to “do their bit” by self-isolating for 14 days if told they could be a carrier, the Health Secretary warned today."
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Just 'dozens' of patients have been treated in 2,000 beds
"Fears were building today that the NHS Nightingale hospitals opening across Britain will be mostly unused with only dozens of patients treated so far in their 2,000 beds. The first of the seven major sites in England to open at the ExCel Centre in East London has so far treated just 41 patients despite already having a capacity of 500."
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UK government fights after minister blames ‘wrong’ scientific advice on virus
"Instead — along with hospitals — they became the front line of the pandemic. According to the latest data, 42% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in England and Wales took place in care homes in the week ending May 8."
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Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover
"Prof Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing"
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Status of COVID-19
"As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK."
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Fines up to £2000/ $2500
"From Friday, the police will have powers to fine those who repeatedly flout the regulations up to £1,920. We're grateful to the police for keeping Wales safe."
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Thermal detection cameras to be used in the UK
"Today, Vodafone UK is launching a Heat Detection Camera in partnership with the company Digital Barriers as part of Vodafone's Business 5G accelerator, which will be used by organisations looking to get back to work."
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UK could get immunity passports
UK could get immunity passports to let people get out of lockdown
"Tech firm Onfido is holding high-level talks with Government ministers over the possibility of introducing so-called ‘immunity passports’ which will detail whether someone has or once had the disease."
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UK set to limit incoming flights
"Britain will quarantine everyone flying into the country, including citizens, for 14 days beginning June 8 to fight the spread of the coronavirus, Home Secretary Priti Patel announced on Friday."
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Coronavirus tests bound for UK become contaminated with coronavirus
"The United Kingdom’s efforts to ramp up public testing for the coronavirus suffered a setback
Monday after key components of some tests due to be imported became contaminated with coronavirus."