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4/15/19 11:31 AM
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4/15/19 11:47 AM
7/30/14
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gregbrady -
john joe -
gregbrady - 

lol @ "blade culture"

 

why does the UK take away women's abilty to defend themselves from a man in his 20's wielding a knife by forbidding her from carrying a gun?

 

what a backwards culture


i'm from the UK

legal guns would mean more guns around;

our criminals generally do not have guns

despite the hysterical tone of the article in the OP, guns are not easy to obtain in the UK. It is not uncommon for recovered firearms to turn out to be things like WW2 Lugers and converted blank-firers or re-bored decommissioned display pieces.

Alongside the rarity of the hardware, the real problem is ammunition. It is extremely difficult to get hold of ammunition, to the point that you have situations where guys are using converted blank-firers and slugs they have molded/cast themselves. That's how much of a joke it can be.

There are *some* proper pieces of hardware out there, usually coming via the Albanians and the Turks, there was a surge in weaponry coming in after the Yugoslavia wars some years back, but on the whole most of the guns and ammo in the UK are total shit and not common at all.

If you legalized firearms here, every criminal would be armed by the end of the week. It would be a fucking shitshow, total disaster. As it stands, most people in the UK now will live their entire lives without ever seeing a firearm of any kind in real life ever.

Here's a simple test: Which country has more criminals with firearms and more gun deaths - the US or the UK?

there's your answer

I dont think our homicide rate is because of gun ownership

you have to combat ppl's motivation to murder, not the means,

thats a fair point about the scarcity of guns in the UK, we do not have that situation in the US so your rules wouldn't work here

you've decided to get rid of a female's right to self-defense in exchange for the greater good of society

Having guns widely available is an accelerant rather than a cause. The issue is the power struggle between street gangs.

We experienced it here in the U.K. decades ago when the Jamaicans came over. They moved into the inner cities and brought a more ruthless style than our street gangs used. Naturally, it either shook out the weak hands or forced people to gang up together and meet the aggression. I would consider the growth of MS13 in the US to be a similar, albeit a different culture.

4/15/19 3:29 PM
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Ghengiseanie -
ravenman2000 -
Squatdog -
ravenman2000 - 
Squatdog - NEW YORK: 8,622,298

LONDON: 8,825,001

LOL!

New York metro:  20 million

London metro: 14 million


"The most recent official estimated figure for New York City's population is 8,622,298 as of July 1, 2017. The official estimated figure for greater London at the same point in time was 8,825,001. These figures will be used for calculation of relative rates as they are from the exact same point in time and based on official figures."

Greater London is not the same thing as London Metro, which does indeed have 14 million people.  Similarly with New York Metro and its 20 million.  Not that it's too much to the point, as the crime stats  may or may not reflect City of London and City of New York and not the metro areas, but it's still not wrong to say New York has six million more people than London.

greater london is the larger area.

Not sure exactly what you are comparing since you didn't have a "than..." at the end of your sentence, but if you are saying that Greater London is the larger area than London Metro, then that is not correct geographically nor population-wise; or if you are saying that Greater London is the larger area compared to City of New York, that is correct for both population and geographic area (but with it's smaller area and similar population, City of New York has far higher population density than London on any reasonable comparison); though New York Metro is the largest of the entities we're discussing here in both population and geographic area.

 

 

4/15/19 3:30 PM
1/1/01
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ryans -
ravenman2000 -
Squatdog - NEW YORK: 8,622,298

LONDON: 8,825,001

LOL!

New York metro:  20 million

London metro: 14 million

So even with your cherry picked numbers, London still has fewer per capita murderers than NYC? 

 

Our policies aren't perfect, but we're still far safer than the US

London has fewer per capita murders (not necessarily murderers) than NYC, yes.  There's no cherry-picking here; not my numbers, not my argument.

4/15/19 4:31 PM
4/19/09
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gregbrady -
john joe -
gregbrady - 
yusul -

let in shitty people, create a shitty environment.  how is this not obvious?

only a small percentage of any coutry's citizens have passports so this is an easy scam to pull on the electorate.

 

 


Lol not in europe / the UK. Most people in Europe have passports.

You really are spectacularly uninformed about the things you are trying to talk about. You are like a living example of the stereotype that Europeans have about dumb Americans - guns, 'Murica, no interest in or knowledge of the world outside, poor quality of information

an estimated 76% of UK residents have passports. Europeans on the whole travel extensively, much more so than the average American (< and that's not a diss on Americans; the USA is so big that its not really necessary to travel outside it for any kind of vacation you want to take, except if you want to experience different cultures, which a lot simply don't)

I guess I was wrong about passport ownership in the UK

My point was that very few ppl actually visit the country's these ppl are immigrating from so they're susceptible to porpaganda about how we're all the same from globalsit politicans

 

lol @ ghenghis calling Somalians shit, I feel the same way about most Muslims

 

The vast majority of the youth Gangs are afro Carribbean and the existence of such gangs has everything to do with "council estate" poverty, or "projects" mindset. 

 

Gang membership amongst affluent afro Carribbean populations is extremely small. Int be same areas, you will see white and brown kids from poverty also end up in the "life". 

4/15/19 4:33 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 182

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

4/15/19 4:37 PM
5/10/08
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Londonstan FTW!!!

4/15/19 4:41 PM
4/19/09
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ravenman2000 -
Ghengiseanie -
ravenman2000 -
Squatdog -
ravenman2000 - 
Squatdog - NEW YORK: 8,622,298

LONDON: 8,825,001

LOL!

New York metro:  20 million

London metro: 14 million


"The most recent official estimated figure for New York City's population is 8,622,298 as of July 1, 2017. The official estimated figure for greater London at the same point in time was 8,825,001. These figures will be used for calculation of relative rates as they are from the exact same point in time and based on official figures."

Greater London is not the same thing as London Metro, which does indeed have 14 million people.  Similarly with New York Metro and its 20 million.  Not that it's too much to the point, as the crime stats  may or may not reflect City of London and City of New York and not the metro areas, but it's still not wrong to say New York has six million more people than London.

greater london is the larger area.

Not sure exactly what you are comparing since you didn't have a "than..." at the end of your sentence, but if you are saying that Greater London is the larger area than London Metro, then that is not correct geographically nor population-wise; or if you are saying that Greater London is the larger area compared to City of New York, that is correct for both population and geographic area (but with it's smaller area and similar population, City of New York has far higher population density than London on any reasonable comparison); though New York Metro is the largest of the entities we're discussing here in both population and geographic area.

 

 

"The city of London" a very small body corporate which is the financial district. There is Greater London which is the "county" of London, including the myriad feeder towns it has absorbed over the years.  There are the inner and outerouter boroughs of London which cover four counties. Being the absolute largest land area the "Greater London" is the only meaningful title and definitely has the largest "London" population.

Since London Metropolitan does not exist in any meaningful sense. As a "commuter belt" one could argue Leicester or Luton are in the commuter belt.and they are 100miles  and 40miles from the centre of london. The Metropolitan police do not exist for example even in the outer. Boroughs of Greater London. There, county police services take over. 

In short. London "Metropolitan Area" is not a eeal area 

4/15/19 4:41 PM
4/19/09
Posts: 31645
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

You do realise he did not?

4/15/19 4:41 PM
10/22/14
Posts: 5035
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

4/15/19 4:42 PM
10/4/18
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nek - 

Western culture is too weak.  It'll be overrun after increased rot from within.


Ya, keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in your third world shithole...….
4/15/19 4:44 PM
4/19/09
Posts: 31646
gregbrady -
john joe -
gregbrady - 

lol @ "blade culture"

 

why does the UK take away women's abilty to defend themselves from a man in his 20's wielding a knife by forbidding her from carrying a gun?

 

what a backwards culture


i'm from the UK

legal guns would mean more guns around;

our criminals generally do not have guns

despite the hysterical tone of the article in the OP, guns are not easy to obtain in the UK. It is not uncommon for recovered firearms to turn out to be things like WW2 Lugers and converted blank-firers or re-bored decommissioned display pieces.

Alongside the rarity of the hardware, the real problem is ammunition. It is extremely difficult to get hold of ammunition, to the point that you have situations where guys are using converted blank-firers and slugs they have molded/cast themselves. That's how much of a joke it can be.

There are *some* proper pieces of hardware out there, usually coming via the Albanians and the Turks, there was a surge in weaponry coming in after the Yugoslavia wars some years back, but on the whole most of the guns and ammo in the UK are total shit and not common at all.

If you legalized firearms here, every criminal would be armed by the end of the week. It would be a fucking shitshow, total disaster. As it stands, most people in the UK now will live their entire lives without ever seeing a firearm of any kind in real life ever.

Here's a simple test: Which country has more criminals with firearms and more gun deaths - the US or the UK?

there's your answer

I dont think our homicide rate is because of gun ownership

you have to combat ppl's motivation to murder, not the means,

thats a fair point about the scarcity of guns in the UK, we do not have that situation in the US so your rules wouldn't work here

you've decided to get rid of a female's right to self-defense in exchange for the greater good of society

We have a better society with less need for self defense because of our approach. It must be wearing on thenosyche to be an fear of needing a gun to defend yourself everyday. What a living nightmare to be scared the whole time. Thus explains the constant inferiority syndrome symptoms we see displayed dfrom you and many others on this forum all the time..

4/15/19 4:44 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 188
Ghengiseanie -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

You do realise he did not?

He did. Otherwise why the OGers blame him all the time. 

Edited: 4/15/19 4:46 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 189
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

Also, how did all these blacks end up in US? sneaky b.stards.

4/15/19 4:47 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 190
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 

4/15/19 4:58 PM
12/6/16
Posts: 3165
ryans -
ravenman2000 -
Squatdog - NEW YORK: 8,622,298

LONDON: 8,825,001

LOL!

New York metro:  20 million

London metro: 14 million

So even with your cherry picked numbers, London still has fewer per capita murderers than NYC? 

 

Our policies aren't perfect, but we're still far safer than the US

So despite much less guns than NY, the murder rates are pretty similar with a lot of people in London being stabbed to death.

London also has six times more burlgeries than NY, three times as many rapes, and one and a half times as many robberies.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/12/london-homicides-now-highest-in-a-year-for-a-decade

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-06-19/why-london-has-more-crime-than-new-york

4/15/19 5:03 PM
1/1/01
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So despite much less guns than NY, the murder rates are pretty similar with a lot of people in London being stabbed to death.


LOL bullshit.

New york typically has over DOUBLE the homicides of London.
4/15/19 5:05 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 197
Squatdog -
So despite much less guns than NY, the murder rates are pretty similar with a lot of people in London being stabbed to death.


LOL bullshit.

New york typically has over DOUBLE the homicides of London.

So NY also got Muslim problem? 

4/15/19 6:57 PM
8/21/06
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Big White Freezer - 
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 


generally fantastic people, hard working and socially compatible, unlike the Somalians, for example

don't confuse Romanians (citizens of Romania) with Roma (gypsies from Romania) - it's a common mistake. Roma are hated in Romania the same as everywhere else in Europe.

4/15/19 7:28 PM
10/22/14
Posts: 5036
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 

I don't understand your sarcasm? What's wrong with polish and Romanians?

They share a common religion with UK, they share common values and they are both countries with very low levels of violent crime. 

Probably about 1/10th the level of crime of the countries the immigrants who replace them will come from.

4/15/19 7:29 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 209
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 

I don't understand your sarcasm? What's wrong with polish and Romanians?

They share a common religion with UK, they share common values and they are both countries with very low levels of violent crime. 

Probably about 1/10th the level of crime of the countries the immigrants who replace them will come from.

UK people think otherwise.

4/15/19 7:31 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 210
john joe -
Big White Freezer - 
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 


generally fantastic people, hard working and socially compatible, unlike the Somalians, for example

don't confuse Romanians (citizens of Romania) with Roma (gypsies from Romania) - it's a common mistake. Roma are hated in Romania the same as everywhere else in Europe.

Does brexit take this into account? 

4/15/19 7:32 PM
7/30/14
Posts: 4432
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 

I don't understand your sarcasm? What's wrong with polish and Romanians?

They share a common religion with UK, they share common values and they are both countries with very low levels of violent crime. 

Probably about 1/10th the level of crime of the countries the immigrants who replace them will come from.

UK people think otherwise.

How so? The Brexit vote?

4/15/19 7:33 PM
12/2/18
Posts: 211
Dragunov -
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 

I don't understand your sarcasm? What's wrong with polish and Romanians?

They share a common religion with UK, they share common values and they are both countries with very low levels of violent crime. 

Probably about 1/10th the level of crime of the countries the immigrants who replace them will come from.

UK people think otherwise.

How so? The Brexit vote?

Yup

4/15/19 7:38 PM
7/30/14
Posts: 4433
Big White Freezer -
Dragunov -
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -
Jayn200 -
Big White Freezer -

Khan should never have invited these africans, south asians and other immigrants to UK. Retard f.cked up big time.

Yes and it's just going to get worse with brexit.

The UK is not going to take in less immigrants, they are just going to replace the desirable european immigrants with middle eastern, african and indian/pakistani immigrants.

By desirable you mean Polish and Romanians, right? 

I don't understand your sarcasm? What's wrong with polish and Romanians?

They share a common religion with UK, they share common values and they are both countries with very low levels of violent crime. 

Probably about 1/10th the level of crime of the countries the immigrants who replace them will come from.

UK people think otherwise.

How so? The Brexit vote?

Yup

Whilst there are inevitably the ‘they took our jobs’ brigade, many voted in protest to the European project. Just because the media cries fascism, doesn’t mean it’s true.