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9/11/19 9:19 PM
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Why would you bother to post facts? all you do is upset the Trumpsters, leave them be. 

9/11/19 9:36 PM
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Unkind Zuffa -

Why would you bother to post facts? all you do is upset the Trumpsters, leave them be. 

What facts are those ???

9/12/19 11:58 AM
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Happiness Bunny -

You are a miserable person. You need counseling. I hope you get it for the people around you and yourself.

He's no different than the other political shills on this forum on the right and left. 

9/12/19 12:00 PM
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How many of those farms employ illegals?

9/12/19 12:33 PM
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Junnk - 

How many of those farms employ illegals?


all of them do it knowingly
9/12/19 12:37 PM
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https://modernfarmer.com/2019/08/farm-bailout-money-may-be-disproportionately-helping-rich-farms-get-richer/

Farm Bailout Money May Be Disproportionately Helping Rich Farms Get Richer
AUG 14, 2019
Dan Nosowitz


Changes in the way bailout money has been doled out may benefit the largest.
With the Trump administration's trade war adding to what has been a truly horrific year for American farmers, the USDA announced some more clarification on the latest bailout package.

This second round of bailouts is, like the first, designed to keep American farmers solvent during a year stuffed with drastic cuts in exports, droughts, rainstorms, and market difficulties. The USDA made some changes to the specifics of who gets how much money and why. But is it actually helping those who need it?

The Environmental Working Group analyzed the data provided by the USDA regarding the first bailout, to learn more about how the money is being distributed. This bailout, as with the last (and, in general, as with all government agriculture assistance), is based on the size of a farm. The idea is fairly clean: the larger a farm is, the more it has to lose, and thus the more money it takes to make whole.

These bailouts are supposed to have caps on how much a single farm can collect--$125,000 per individual farmer--but the guidelines for who actually counts as an "active farmer" are extremely low. The Washington Post notes that a person who simply calls into a few phone meetings per year can count as an active farmer, and thus take in up to that $125,000 mark.

The payments technically are part of what's called the Market Facilitation Program, or MFP, which includes the bailout money as well as various risk-mitigation and insurance payouts. That has all meant an awful lot of money floating around: the EWG found that 82 farmers collected over $500,000 in MFP money in 2018-2019. Deline Farm Partnership, in Missouri, collected a whopping $2.8 million. (Deline has not responded to requests for comment from the Southeast Missourian, a local news source.)

In comparison, found the EWG, the bottom 80 percent of farmers received less than $5,000 each.

Further analysis from the Farm Bill Law Enterprise showed that the MFP money has disproportionately gone to white farmers--99.4 percent of MFP payments went to non-Hispanic white farmers, while estimates indicate that 95 percent of American farmers are white. That difference gets more stark when you drill down: in Mississippi, says Farm Bill Law Enterprise, 14 percent of farms have a black principal operator, but only 1.4 percent of Mississippi's MFP payments went to black farmers. The USDA, for what it's worth, has a very long history of discrimination against non-white farmers, even settling a lawsuit in 2010 for $1.25 billion.

The newly released rules for this round of MFP payments actually raise that cap from $125,000 to $250,000 per farmer. They also change the way size of farm is measured: instead of measuring by bushel output, the measurements will be by acreage--also something that may benefit white farmers, given the difficulty non-white farmers face in securing and keeping farmland.

Another change: previously, each farmer applying for MFP assistance had to have an average adjusted gross income of less than $900,000 per year. That's been changed: there's now no limit on the size of an applicant's income, as long as 75 percent of the income "is derived from farming, ranching, or forestry related activities." That opens up super-rich investors, relatives, and anyone else who can convince the USDA that their wealth comes from the land.

It makes sense, on a basic level, that the larger farms require larger payouts to keep afloat. But the calculus shouldn't be quite so simple. Enormous farms may have greater expenses, but they also may be able to turn more of a profit and save more money, compared with smaller farms that hang on, check by check, each year. The efforts thus far appear aimed at protecting the largest farmers, and not necessarily the most vulnerable.

9/12/19 12:39 PM
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https://newfoodeconomy.org/trump-tariff-payment-million-dollar-farm-bailout/

Four farms have received more than $1 million each in Trump trade war bailout payments, Treasury data show
Flickr/United Soybean Board
The payments are supposed to be capped at $125,000. One farm collected sixteen times that.




put these people in jail right next to the welfare mammys

9/12/19 12:48 PM
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looked for a fox news story on the expected 30 BILLION in welfare for business owners but weirdly they had nothing on the story at all since may 2019.


take this money and build that wall.

stop taking money from our soldiers sailors serving to protect us in the military and giving it as WELFARE to multi millionaire businesses.



https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/12/top-democrat-attempts-block-trump-paying-farm-bailout-money-setting-up-battle-over-trade-war-tactics/




Top Democrat attempts to block Trump from paying farm bailout money, setting up battle over trade war tactics

Jeff Stein and
Mike DeBonis
September 12, 2019 at 7:32 a.m. PDT
House Appropriations Committee Chair Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) is proposing to block the White House request over its farm bailout program, according to a draft of legislation reviewed by the Washington Post, potentially imperiling President Trump's ability to direct payments to thousands of farmers.

The bailout program was created last year amid complaints from agriculture groups that China had stopped purchasing their crops in retaliation for new tariffs that the White House imposed on Chinese imports. Trump has ordered that billions of dollars in taxpayer funds be paid directly to farmers as a way to offset their losses.

The bailout hadn't needed congressional approval up to this point, but now the timing of the payments is tied to congressional approval.

The Department of Agriculture is planning to spend upwards of $28 billion in payments over two years, but the Depression-era program Trump is using for the program has an annual $30 billion borrowing limit that they are expected to hit this year before the second round of payments.

9/13/19 4:10 PM
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9/13/19 4:12 PM
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Poor guys barley out here making a living 

9/26/19 7:13 PM
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9/26/19 7:15 PM
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Met this Welfare Queen earlier .... besides getting free $ they also act like they own the roads

 

 

 

There Was about a 2019 GMC HD dually Denali with a flat bed pulling the soy bean head up the road

 

 

Poor guys 

9/26/19 7:24 PM
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haya1340 -

Met this Welfare Queen earlier .... besides getting free $ they also act like they own the roads

 

 

 

There Was about a 2019 GMC HD dually Denali with a flat bed pulling the soy bean head up the road

 

 

Poor guys 

Lol, how else are we suppose to get around?  Are we suppose to helidrop our implement , oh that would take money and I guess we farmers should be working for nothing using scythes to harvest crops.  

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How many of those farms employ illegals?


all of them do it knowingly

Oh we do do we? All of us? Every single farmer in the USA?  

 

 

9/26/19 7:36 PM
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hahaha

9/26/19 8:05 PM
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haya1340 -

Met this Welfare Queen earlier .... besides getting free $ they also act like they own the roads

 

 

 

There Was about a 2019 GMC HD dually Denali with a flat bed pulling the soy bean head up the road

 

 

Poor guys 

Lol, how else are we suppose to get around?  Are we suppose to helidrop our implement , oh that would take money and I guess we farmers should be working for nothing using scythes to harvest crops.  

Naw your suppose to use a little common sense and not move your shit when traffic is heaviest or what about using  flaggers on a stretch of 2 lane road with guard rails 

 

 

And honestly I really dont care how you do it no one cares about I get my shit done ..... and I don't even get handouts so join the rest of us and take care of your shit

9/26/19 10:04 PM
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Guy can't even afford shoes and pants give him a break.

9/27/19 5:25 AM
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