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7/20/18 1:31 PM
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justice served

7/20/18 1:57 PM
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JitsuGuy - 
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That is sad , guy was just going about his day , stopped to buy some stuff at grocery store , walks out and makes the stupid mistake to assault the guy, just like that, his life is over ....doesn’t get to see his wife , kids and family again ....terrible ....

LOL we found the beta bitch!


...calling people beta is very beta.
7/20/18 2:07 PM
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RenatoCocopreta - Good shoot.

I doubt its legal to shoot someone for simply pushing you over lol... The dude was standing like 10 feet away.  Unless he charged the guy or pulled out his own gun first, the guy is going to go away for manslaughter or murder.

You can and it has been explained many times in this thread. Your feels don't equal Florida law fren.

Wrong.  There has to be an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm and/or death for lethal force to be used.  

Getting pushed and/or having someone stand 10 feet away from you looking at you doesn't meet the criteria.  Sorry bud.

Ughhh you didn’t read the law. You can be pushed and feel your life is in danger and be totally justified and have it be deemed a good shoot under the stand your ground law. State of mind is in play here. 

 

I am not saying those are the facts in this case however. The deceased was walking away. 

Incorrect. 

The 'reasonable person standard' is is used to determine liability in the court of law.  This means that its not critical to know what the defendant per se was thinking and/or feeling (which is generally not possible) but rather what would a person of average skill, care and judgement think/feel in that position.

 

In this case its pretty obvious that the person was not in any danger.

Edited: 7/20/18 2:10 PM
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I disagree. It looked like he was still in plenty of danger to me
Edited: 7/20/18 2:22 PM
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The shooter wasn’t THAT close to the woman’s car. The boyfriend could have positioned himself between the ccw guy and his gf and taken up his girlfriend’s end of the argument.

7/20/18 2:20 PM
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I clicked the link in the OP and didn't read anything about the shooter's past history.

My sound isn't working, was it in the video in the linked story?

Can someone give me a rundown of his past history?

7/20/18 2:22 PM
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ChicagoTom - 
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The guy who shot the man is a pussy and I hope they throw the book at him. After working with disabled people for a long time- I’ve learned that just because someone looks fine- doesn’t mean they aren’t disabled. There are plenty of legit reasons a person is entitled to a handicap placard even if they look like they can walk or aren’t in a wheel chair. Second- the guy who got pushed life was not in danger. You can’t just shoot people because you get pushed or your ego is checked. 

You can in the green states

So if someone pushes you can kill the person. What if a cop walked up and was arguing about your parking and he pushes you. Are you allowed to pull your pistol out and shoot him?


I'm pretty sure in Chicago you can kill whoever you want

Chicago you just get shot. The aiming by the gang bangers suck. 


In Chicago, the guy that got pushed down misses the guy that pushed him and hits a kid on his front porch a block away.

7/20/18 2:25 PM
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RenatoCocopreta - Push me like that and you'll be mozambiqued into the next life before my ass hits the ground. tap tap, TAP, say goodnight.

Really? I thought you were gangster? I also doubt you'd be running off at the mouth to some lady for her shitty choice in parking spots.

Right on both counts. Anyone want smoke with me will get the full stack from both barrels.
7/20/18 2:28 PM
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“McGLOCKton”

Dude was born to get shot and fulfilled his destiny.

7/20/18 2:30 PM
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I wonder what the OG would have said if the shooter had instead be shot by the woman in the car when he approached menacingly 

7/20/18 2:32 PM
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CanadaDry - 
RenatoCocopreta - Good shoot.

I doubt its legal to shoot someone for simply pushing you over lol... The dude was standing like 10 feet away.  Unless he charged the guy or pulled out his own gun first, the guy is going to go away for manslaughter or murder.


Maybe in shithole Canada but not in the land of the free.
7/20/18 2:45 PM
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Bitch made pussy ass mark. A CCW holder with his weapon provokes an issue over a parking spot and can’t get it from the shoulder so he shoots and kills a man. 

Don’t get into a confrontation with someone because they park in a handicapped spot. Especially don’t create a confrontation over a handicapped parking spot when you’re carrying your fuckin gun. 

provokes the issue?

maybe the fuckwad shouldnt park in a fucking handicap spot when you're not handicapped

fuck him

victim didn't park there, it was his GF driving victim came out and some saw someone confronting his girl

he was in the car when the g/f parked there. no doubt he told her to

7/20/18 2:53 PM
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Samoa - 
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Bitch made pussy ass mark. A CCW holder with his weapon provokes an issue over a parking spot and can’t get it from the shoulder so he shoots and kills a man. 

Don’t get into a confrontation with someone because they park in a handicapped spot. Especially don’t create a confrontation over a handicapped parking spot when you’re carrying your fuckin gun. 


He didn't provoke an issue. The person who parked in the handicap spot is the person who provoked and started the issue.

Provoked what issue?  What issue was there to provoke when she parked in that spot?


Parking where you are not supposed to park invites criticism, since....you're not supposed to park there.


I'm with Samoa on this one.

The shooter over reacted. I can understand him pointing his gun at the dude but he definitely did not need to blast the guy over being shoved to the ground. He wasn't continuously being attacked. I think he could have pulled out his firearm, pointed it at the guy and said "back the fuck up or else." He had options outside of smoking the dude. I think it's bullshit.


Hell. Try this perspective. One of your family members is sitting in the driver seat of a parked car. Let's say it's a wife, girlfriend etc. You see some dude standing next to the driver side door of the car yelling at her.

What's going to be your reaction?

Do you yell at the guy as you approach him? Do you run up and push him down? Do you assume the guy is not a potential danger and go back into the store? What's your reaction?

Did the dead guy really overreact in this situation when he shoved the guy down. I didn't see him continue forward and start stomping the guy. I could understand the guy getting shot in that case but that was not the case.

I think the dead guy could have handled the situation differently but the shove was not an over dramatic reaction. Again, maybe he was concerned for his woman. Regardless, I definitely don't think he should have been shot.

7/20/18 3:00 PM
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The shooter's situational awareness was awful, so he got blindsided by the dude. If the deceased had been coming from the front, I wonder if the outcome would have been the same. 

The fact that the guy pushed him, but then only squared off and did not advance to attack again makes this fairly cut and dry. The shooter has to go to prison. The dumbshit is angry as hell, has adrenaline coursing, gets blind sided and then can't control himself. He made so many mistakes it's pathetic. Over a parking spot.

And in a Florida prison, this dummy is going to be surrounded by convicts that will make the guy who got shot seem like the Pope.

One thing I always do is reverse the races in the exact same scenarios. If a black man was screaming and threatening a white woman, and a white guy shoved him down, but didnt advance, then black man pulled a piece and blasted would you be good with that?

 

 

7/20/18 3:03 PM
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Not sure if you guys watched the 2nd video but it was mentioned that the shooter has a history of picking fights in that parking spot. It seems to me like he is just picking up fights and abusing his rights for CCW. Those types of issues are not ones you pick fights over. Owning a weapon is a big responsibility and we should not be picking fights just because we know we can shoot another person in an act of self defense.

The dead guy did assault him physically but to kill him I believe is just not right unless the guy was going to continue pouncing on him. The shooter will have to live knowing that he killed someone.

7/20/18 3:05 PM
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I’m a CCW holder and a support gun rights wholesale.

But, based on the video we have which cuts off early, the shooter must go to jail in this instance. Of course, if McGLOCKton further approached the shooter after the push then the shooting is justified, but I highly doubt he walked toward the gun’s barrel.

7/20/18 3:11 PM
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I’m a CCW holder and a support gun rights wholesale.

But, based on the video we have which cuts off early, the shooter must go to jail in this instance. Of course, if McGLOCKton further approached the shooter after the push then the shooting is justified, but I highly doubt he walked toward the gun’s barrel.


"I’m a CCW holder and a support gun rights wholesale." yeah, sure you do faggot.

lol at obvious libturd shill....
7/20/18 3:15 PM
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RenatoCocopreta -
Positive Energy - 

I’m a CCW holder and a support gun rights wholesale.

But, based on the video we have which cuts off early, the shooter must go to jail in this instance. Of course, if McGLOCKton further approached the shooter after the push then the shooting is justified, but I highly doubt he walked toward the gun’s barrel.


"I’m a CCW holder and a support gun rights wholesale." yeah, sure you do faggot.

lol at obvious libturd shill....

You seem stable today.

First time I’ve ever been called a libtard...usually I’m accused of being a Trumpet.

CCW is a responsibility, this guy was instigating a confrontation and got checked. According to the video his life was in no danger and he could have easily escorted himself away from the situation without pulling the trigger. Like I said, if McGLOCKton moved towards him at all after the vid cuts off then I’ll allow it.

7/20/18 3:25 PM
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I live in Pinellas County and was just watching an update with the Sherrif.  They are calling it a good shoot and the shooter will not be charged.  

I  have no problem with him telling somebody that they shouldn't park there but nothing ever good usually comes from doing something like that.  I also am all for the stand your ground law but this seems premature in my opinion.  The guy pushed him to the ground and doesn't appear to move in at all....more like a "what bitch!?" kind of thing.  The "victim" then pulls out his pistol and shoots him whereas I feel that he could have safely given the dude a chance to turn around and leave as he was posing zero danger from that distance with a gun pointed at him.  

I'm guessing this isn't over yet regardless of what the Sherrif says...Trayvon was on top of a guy, smashing his head into the ground and we all saw how that turned out.  I'm assuming that Jesse and Al will be landing at any minute.  

 

7/20/18 3:35 PM
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dabigchet - and another thing, can we stop this charade with all handicapped spots being absolutely sacred all the time? if there are multiple handicapped spots open, there is no moral problem with occupying one of them for a short period of time.

It's for people that can't walk long distances. If you can walk long distances, why park there regardless of the availability?  You must also think the painted lines beside them are there so motorcyclists have a place to park too. 

7/20/18 3:40 PM
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Snappy Whistleteeth - 

I live in Pinellas County and was just watching an update with the Sherrif.  They are calling it a good shoot and the shooter will not be charged.  

I  have no problem with him telling somebody that they shouldn't park there but nothing ever good usually comes from doing something like that.  I also am all for the stand your ground law but this seems premature in my opinion.  The guy pushed him to the ground and doesn't appear to move in at all....more like a "what bitch!?" kind of thing.  The "victim" then pulls out his pistol and shoots him whereas I feel that he could have safely given the dude a chance to turn around and leave as he was posing zero danger from that distance with a gun pointed at him.  

I'm guessing this isn't over yet regardless of what the Sherrif says...Trayvon was on top of a guy, smashing his head into the ground and we all saw how that turned out.  I'm assuming that Jesse and Al will be landing at any minute.  

 


"Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said Friday that the facts are clear; McGlockton violently shoved Drejka to the ground and Drejka feared for his life. Because of that, he is covered under Florida's Stand Your Ground law.

Sheriff Gualtieri said the sheriff's office doesn't make the law, they just enforce it.

"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should," he said. "This case may be an example of that." 

Prepare yourself for a blitz of sensationalistic media coverage that will continue non-stop for months.

7/20/18 3:43 PM
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Skillrules - 
Snappy Whistleteeth - 

I live in Pinellas County and was just watching an update with the Sherrif.  They are calling it a good shoot and the shooter will not be charged.  

I  have no problem with him telling somebody that they shouldn't park there but nothing ever good usually comes from doing something like that.  I also am all for the stand your ground law but this seems premature in my opinion.  The guy pushed him to the ground and doesn't appear to move in at all....more like a "what bitch!?" kind of thing.  The "victim" then pulls out his pistol and shoots him whereas I feel that he could have safely given the dude a chance to turn around and leave as he was posing zero danger from that distance with a gun pointed at him.  

I'm guessing this isn't over yet regardless of what the Sherrif says...Trayvon was on top of a guy, smashing his head into the ground and we all saw how that turned out.  I'm assuming that Jesse and Al will be landing at any minute.  

 


"Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said Friday that the facts are clear; McGlockton violently shoved Drejka to the ground and Drejka feared for his life. Because of that, he is covered under Florida's Stand Your Ground law.

Sheriff Gualtieri said the sheriff's office doesn't make the law, they just enforce it.

"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should," he said. "This case may be an example of that." 

Prepare yourself for a blitz of sensationalistic media coverage that will continue non-stop for months.


Oh yea, a shit storm is a coming me thinks

7/20/18 4:00 PM
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Never_rolled - 
PatK -

I clicked the link in the OP and didn't read anything about the shooter's past history.

My sound isn't working, was it in the video in the linked story?

Can someone give me a rundown of his past history?

One month prior he pulled the same thing on another guy that parked in the handicap spot. He then called the guys company that he worked for and allegedly threatened to kill him. The store manager says the guy is a parking lot menace.


Wow.

Thanks for the info.

7/20/18 4:04 PM
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dabigchet - 
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dabigchet - and another thing, can we stop this charade with all handicapped spots being absolutely sacred all the time? if there are multiple handicapped spots open, there is no moral problem with occupying one of them for a short period of time.

It's for people that can't walk long distances. If you can walk long distances, why park there regardless of the availability?  You must also think the painted lines beside them are there so motorcyclists have a place to park too. 


i'm not saying you should park there. i am just saying there is no moral problem with standing in one, like they were, so long as another handicapped spot just as good or better was still vacant.

are we holding them all open for handicapped ghosts or something?

I take it you're one of the assholes that parks in handicapped spots.

 

7/20/18 4:06 PM
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Whenever a black dude starts walking up to you pulling up his pants you might as well throw the first punch cause thats about the only time it happens. Tht said its murder. The guy pushes him down. He showed a gun the guy clearly is backing off. You cant just kill him cause he pushed you. Now if he went for a swing after yeah you got a case