OtherGround Forums George Floyd-My Perspective (re: leaked footage)

Edited: 8/5/20 12:43 PM
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I don’t post much anymore so I apologize if this is thread number 100 on this.  This  is for those of you who expressed interest in my perspective.  
 

We’ve turned our country upside down based on an edited video snippet and a demonstrably false narrative.  Riots, protests, defunding of police agencies, budget cuts, and an entire generation of disenfranchised police officers.  This recently leaked body camera footage should be the primary story headlining every news cycle . It’s not of course.  The fact this still has not been officially released and those who know of its existence have not stood up for the involved officers, whose lives have been destroyed, is criminal.  

The story of police brutality and systemic racism has already been written in stone (specific to this incident).  Despite how compelling  this leaked footage is, it will not change the perspective of those who have already made up their minds.  It’s seemingly not even going to make them blink. 

George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality.  That doesn’t mean Officer Chauvin isn’t wrong for kneeling on Floyd for an extended time period.  But he wont be convicted of murder or even manslaughter (the autopsy indicates Floyd did not die from asphyxiation).  In fact, I believe Chauvin and the other involved officers will likely win a series of lawsuits and never have to work again. 


Edit:For clarification,  I’m not claiming Chaivin’s actions did not contribute to Floyd’s death.  

8/5/20 12:31 PM
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Well said!

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https://www.lawofficer.com/we-told-you-so-the-george-floyd-incident/

”But after the recent release of the body camera footage came to light this week, o”ur fears became a reality.

We say “release” of the footage lightly because it wasn’t released….it was leaked.

The “leak” of the video came with it’s own oddities.

Like the fact that the mainstream media barely sounded a peep about it.

Really?

In what has no doubt been the most covered law enforcement event in history did not even get the attention of the media?

In fact, as you could imagine, our editorial team has several mechanisms in place to monitor breaking news. We received one alert that the video had been released.

One?

And that was from the foreign media outlet that broke it, the Daily Mail. That says everything you would ever want to know about the “Fake” American News Media.

Of course there is a reason for all of this and it is one of the largest media scandals of our lifetime.

The video doesn’t line up with the media narrative of a bunch of racist cops that killed a complying George Floyd for simply trying to pass a counterfeit bill that he probably didn’t even know was fake….

Keep in  mind, the leaked video, which was recorded off of what appears to be a laptop viewing is still heavily edited. In our estimation, several minutes are missing and the sound conveniently goes out as Floyd is discussing the fact that he couldn’t breathe…..well before he was laid on the ground.

But, there are events in the video that should outrage every American that was never given the opportunity to view it as context as the media shoved their own play by play events on our screens for weeks.

Like the fact that these murderous cops were quite professional throughout the encounter. Even offering to roll the window down in the police car as Floyd resisted getting inside because be claimed he was “claustrophobic.”

The fact that Floyd resisted from the beginning of the video until the end.

The fact that there was a passenger in Floyd’s vehicle. Odd, we never heard that before and even more odd, they were compliant and you’ve never heard their name and they are certainly alive today.

The fact that once in the police car, Floyd resisted and asked to be placed on the ground.

On numerous occasions, Floyd told the officers that he had COVID-19 and them knowing that may well have been the reason, Officer Chauvin kept his hands away from him when he was on the ground.

And as we have pointed out before, there remains not one shred of evidence that race was a factor in this incident and the body camera footage makes that crystal clear. This incident certainly appears to revolve around a suspect high on fentanyl and methamphetamine along with a pre-existing heart condition that committed a crime and resisted officers until his death.

And there are many other aspects to the current video and there will be many others as additional footage comes out.

Such as the fact that paramedics were called to the scene prior to his death.

The fact that Chauvin was concerned about excited delirium and a 2018 training protocol told officers to subdue prisoners on the ground if they saw that dangerous phenomenon.

All facts by the way, that you could not see in this video footage because it was conveniently cut short.

With all that said, the unfortunate death of George Floyd and the ensuing madness appears to be much more of a political and leadership problem than a police problem but you won’t hear that from anyone.

In fact, once the officers are acquitted of murder because facts matter in court, and the 2021 riots begin, the media will once again do to the world what they have been doing all summer.

Decrying the systematic racism of law enforcement and how justice doesn’t work for men like George Floyd.

And at the end of the day, if you listen to the mainstream media ever again, you are the suckers and they are the winners.”

8/5/20 12:34 PM
12/17/06
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That's very true.

There is exactly zero evidence that Chauvin was motivated by race in any way.

8/5/20 12:35 PM
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You Know, for such bold lettering, I thought you'd have more to say.

8/5/20 12:35 PM
12/7/06
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Leaked footage

8/5/20 12:36 PM
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Thanks LU, much appreciated.

8/5/20 12:39 PM
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"George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality."

 

Are you saying he would have died had Chauvin not been kneeling on his neck?  Agree to disagree bud.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

 

This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist

8/5/20 12:40 PM
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AI better have his emotional support dog ready.

8/5/20 12:45 PM
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In

8/5/20 12:46 PM
5/31/07
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This video being leaked is like seeing the clouds forming into a noticeable funnel cloud.

The tornado will touch down when Chauvin walks out with zero charges, smiling and waving to the camera.

As you said, minds are made up and at this point evidence, no matter how blatant and concrete, is completely irrelevant.

Whether or not it was by design may never be known, but that will kick off the real shit show.
Edited: 8/5/20 12:52 PM
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saglv -

"George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality."

 

Are you saying he would have died had Chauvin not been kneeling on his neck?  Agree to disagree bud.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

 

This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist

I’m definitely not claiming Chauvin didn’t contribute to his death.  He obviously did.  It simply wasn’t murder or manslaughter.  And certainly not brutality or racism.  Incompetence and poor training protocols, yes.

8/5/20 12:52 PM
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LakerUp, can you give us your assessment of the video, the officers, and Floyd, as opposed to what will happen in the future?

 

Do you think everything could have been avoided?  What was floyd doing wrong, the officers, etc.  Please give us your take.  

8/5/20 12:52 PM
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LakerUp - 
saglv -

"George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality."

 

Are you saying he would have died had Chauvin not been kneeling on his neck?  Agree to disagree bud.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

 

This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist

I’m definitely not claiming Chauvin didn’t contribute to his death.  


I think 'directly caused' is more apt than 'contributed to' IMHO. We shall see what happens.

8/5/20 12:53 PM
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Mike Litoris -

AI better have his emotional support dog ready.

No doubt a very well adjusted pit bull

8/5/20 12:54 PM
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saglv -
LakerUp - 
saglv -

"George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality."

 

Are you saying he would have died had Chauvin not been kneeling on his neck?  Agree to disagree bud.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

 

This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist

I’m definitely not claiming Chauvin didn’t contribute to his death.  


I think 'directly caused' is more apt than 'contributed to' IMHO. We shall see what happens.

You caught me before I finished editing my post:

I’m definitely not claiming Chauvin didn’t contribute to his death.  He obviously did.  It simply wasn’t murder or manslaughter.  And certainly not brutality or racism.  Incompetence and poor training protocols, yes.

8/5/20 12:56 PM
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The Maestro -

LakerUp, can you give us your assessment of the video, the officers, and Floyd, as opposed to what will happen in the future?

 

Do you think everything could have been avoided?  What was floyd doing wrong, the officers, etc.  Please give us your take.  

I’ll do my best later today or tomorrow.  I don’t have time to break it down this far right now man.

8/5/20 12:58 PM
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I personally believe he was strategically overcharged in order to ensure he walks free thereby guaranteeing another round of “protests”. 
 

Him walking will also be used as just another example of “systemic racism”.

8/5/20 12:59 PM
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saglv -

"George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality."

 

Are you saying he would have died had Chauvin not been kneeling on his neck?  Agree to disagree bud.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

 

This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist

There was no evidence of oxygen cutoff to the brain by the lack of oxidative damage in the microscopic examinations as well as papilae (spelling)

 

There was no trauma observed to his beck region when examined during autopsy

 

Boxcar nuclei found I the heart post mortem are an indication of hypertension, his widowmaker artery was narrowed 70% which puts him at risk of heart failure. 

 

Also the lungs had diffuse and congested edatmous parenchyma (alveoli where oxygen exchange occurs in lungs) which is also sign of heart failure. 

 

While it might be a heart attack those are symptoms of cardiac arrest = cardiopulmonary arrest which is what the autopsy labelled as death following police subdual and neck crank

 

 

8/5/20 1:00 PM
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8/5/20 1:00 PM
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saglv -

"George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality."

 

Are you saying he would have died had Chauvin not been kneeling on his neck?  Agree to disagree bud.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

 

This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist

There was no evidence of oxygen cutoff to the brain by the lack of oxidative damage in the microscopic examinations as well as papilae (spelling)

 

There was no trauma observed to his beck region when examined during autopsy

 

Boxcar nuclei found I the heart post mortem are an indication of hypertension, his widowmaker artery was narrowed 70% which puts him at risk of heart failure. 

 

Also the lungs had diffuse and congested edatmous parenchyma (alveoli where oxygen exchange occurs in lungs) which is also sign of heart failure. 

 

While it might be a heart attack those are symptoms of cardiac arrest = cardiopulmonary arrest which is what the autopsy labelled as death following police subdual and neck crank

 

 

Sorry long winded post just to say there was no mention of asphyxiation in the coroner's report

Edited: 8/5/20 1:55 PM
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George Floyd scared himself to death, a mix of meth and fentanyl combined with heart disease will do that to you.

You can tell INSTANTLY once the cop makes himself present to George Floyd, he goes into panic mode, a lot of dumb ass lefties are saying he was scared and pleading for his life, I wonder why...is it because all cops are mean, scary and racist like they tell you? Or was it maybe the FACT he was already sent to jail for robbing a pregnant woman?

This is obvious he was scared of going back to fucking jail and thats it, once he saw the cop, he knew he was cought red handed getting high in public and handled the situation TERRIBLY, that heart rate never dropped. (Matching the first autospy results)

Everyone else in the vehicle with him listened to orders and they ended up fine, but St. Floyd checked just about every box of what not to do when confronted by a cop.

Not saying all the cops are angels either, but they clearly & should beat every charge against them, if you're a owner of a small business in any major city, mark your calendars and begin prepping for fortification & defense of your property come trial time, my advice is do your best to relocate and start anew, this will always be the game.

Make sure to thank the media and Keith Ellison when everything is on fire again.

Edit: And yes I know the knee on his neck didn't help and contributed, but i'm talking about the charges against the cops and what they're charging the cops with, I don't see how you prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, Floyd did 90% of the work digging his own grave.

8/5/20 1:01 PM
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Positive Energy - 

I personally believe he was strategically overcharged in order to ensure he walks free thereby guaranteeing another round of “protests”. 
 

Him walking will also be used as just another example of “systemic racism”.


This coupled with the inevitability of Brianna Taylor incident resulting in no charges even being filed.
8/5/20 1:03 PM
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saglv - 

"George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with his race or police brutality."

 

Are you saying he would have died had Chauvin not been kneeling on his neck?  Agree to disagree bud.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

 

This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist


Judy had zero to do with either autopsy on Floyd.

8/5/20 1:11 PM
11/1/03
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Whats the most amazing is the most powerful country in the world is being brought down by a hoax and half of the country is supporting it. When crime is out of control and cities go bankrupt and our 401k's are worthless the dumbasses will say i never thought this would happen.