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9/16/20 9:24 PM
1/23/14
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What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Nope. You can also get in trouble if you dont have a pistol or SBR lower and posess a short barreled upper while you own a rifle lower, under constructive posession laws


Awww shiet. Okay.

9/16/20 9:51 PM
8/7/07
Posts: 8150
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

9/16/20 9:54 PM
3/3/12
Posts: 812
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Do them yourself for an SBR and find a Silencer Shop kiosk for a suppressor. 

9/16/20 9:55 PM
6/13/03
Posts: 29694
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fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

Thats the way to go. 

9/16/20 10:00 PM
7/14/16
Posts: 1056
fiznadd -

Was looking over the 9" HG from Brownells -- is this type of welding normal? Looks like shit. Should I return it? Upper w/bushing and 16" barrel seem all good.

 

Thats normal welding with a mig, surprised hk would put its name on that.  A good weld doesnt have splatter.  Should have been tig welded, stronger and no splatter.

9/16/20 10:02 PM
7/14/16
Posts: 1057
Sogsteel -
theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

Thats the way to go. 

If you are going to do multiple nfa stuff, would a trust be better?

9/16/20 10:10 PM
3/3/12
Posts: 813
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fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

I’ve personally never done this, it never made since buying a brace to me. Assuming you already have the lower I would...

-Buy 2x fingerprint cards before you start the efile. (I would buy more than two just in case you  screw it up)

-Complete efile, send fingerprints and the document they send you ASAP. (You have to send this within 10 business days or you basically wasted $200)

-Send lower off for engraving.

 

9/16/20 10:11 PM
6/13/03
Posts: 29696
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theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

Thats the way to go. 

If you are going to do multiple nfa stuff, would a trust be better?

Thats a question for Ruben

9/16/20 10:29 PM
8/7/07
Posts: 8152
Ruben Blades -
theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

I’ve personally never done this, it never made since buying a brace to me. Assuming you already have the lower I would...

-Buy 2x fingerprint cards before you start the efile. (I would buy more than two just in case you  screw it up)

-Complete efile, send fingerprints and the document they send you ASAP. (You have to send this within 10 business days or you basically wasted $200)

-Send lower off for engraving.

 

I mean before efile was only taking 30 days, it mainly was so people could have the gun in a useable condition while they waited for the go ahead from the alphabet bois.

 

Less of a big deal these days I guess with the quick turnaround time wise.

9/16/20 10:41 PM
5/25/06
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9/16/20 10:41 PM
7/14/16
Posts: 1065
Sogsteel -
Y Not -
Sogsteel -
theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

Thats the way to go. 

If you are going to do multiple nfa stuff, would a trust be better?

Thats a question for Ruben

Gotcha.  I have a trust setup at silencer shop.  Im thinking i want to sbr the hk416, just trying to figure out the cost...  Paging ruben!

Edited: 9/16/20 11:38 PM
1/23/14
Posts: 1559

Experts -- what are my options for the gas block? Any pros and cons on an adjustable one vs a non-adjustable?

9/16/20 11:18 PM
3/3/12
Posts: 814
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Sogsteel -
Y Not -
Sogsteel -
theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

Thats the way to go. 

If you are going to do multiple nfa stuff, would a trust be better?

Thats a question for Ruben

Gotcha.  I have a trust setup at silencer shop.  Im thinking i want to sbr the hk416, just trying to figure out the cost...  Paging ruben!

Unless you’re wanting to put multiple people on it I don’t see the point. I believe the wait times are a bit longer too. I’m up to 11 stamps doing individual, 3 are pending.

9/16/20 11:24 PM
3/3/12
Posts: 815
theken206 -
Ruben Blades -
theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

I’ve personally never done this, it never made since buying a brace to me. Assuming you already have the lower I would...

-Buy 2x fingerprint cards before you start the efile. (I would buy more than two just in case you  screw it up)

-Complete efile, send fingerprints and the document they send you ASAP. (You have to send this within 10 business days or you basically wasted $200)

-Send lower off for engraving.

 

I mean before efile was only taking 30 days, it mainly was so people could have the gun in a useable condition while they waited for the go ahead from the alphabet bois.

 

Less of a big deal these days I guess with the quick turnaround time wise.

That’s true. My first SBR took almost a year.

9/16/20 11:38 PM
3/3/12
Posts: 816
fiznadd -

Experts -- what are my options for the gas block? If I'm not going SBR, I can't use the 10.4" gas block?

Are 14” blocks hard to find now? I would think it would be the other way around.

9/16/20 11:38 PM
3/3/12
Posts: 817
Ruben Blades -
fiznadd -

Experts -- what are my options for the gas block? If I'm not going SBR, I can't use the 10.4" gas block?

Are 14” blocks hard to find now? I would think it would be the other way around.

Heckler & Koch HK416 Vented Gas Block, Factory New – For 14.5? & 16? & 20? Barrels

9/16/20 11:52 PM
7/14/16
Posts: 1073
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Sogsteel -
Y Not -
Sogsteel -
theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

Thats the way to go. 

If you are going to do multiple nfa stuff, would a trust be better?

Thats a question for Ruben

Gotcha.  I have a trust setup at silencer shop.  Im thinking i want to sbr the hk416, just trying to figure out the cost...  Paging ruben!

Unless you’re wanting to put multiple people on it I don’t see the point. I believe the wait times are a bit longer too. I’m up to 11 stamps doing individual, 3 are pending.

I appreciate the info.  Do you have to fingerprint and picture each time on an individual?  Whats that cost?

Edited: 9/16/20 11:57 PM
1/23/14
Posts: 1562
Ruben Blades - 
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fiznadd -

Experts -- what are my options for the gas block? If I'm not going SBR, I can't use the 10.4" gas block?

Are 14” blocks hard to find now? I would think it would be the other way around.

Heckler & Koch HK416 Vented Gas Block, Factory New – For 14.5? & 16? & 20? Barrels

 

Thank you sir

 

9/17/20 12:31 AM
3/3/12
Posts: 818
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Ruben Blades -
Y Not -
Sogsteel -
Y Not -
Sogsteel -
theken206 -
fiznadd -
theken206 - 
fiznadd -
Sogsteel - 
fiznadd -

What's the deal with buying a 10.4" Nefarious barrel? I have to get a stamp for it? 

You can build a pistol if legal in your state. Or SBR it if allowed


It says no barrels under 16", but they make exceptions for certain guns if I pay a $200 tax? Is that as easy as just paying that at my FFL? And I wouldn't be able to sell it until I get the stamp?

So your state doesn't allow AR pistols but it allows SBRs? 

And you there are multiple ways to sell an SBR.


AR Pistols are okay, and it actually looks like I would have to go in to do the fingerprints and all for the SBR. And looks like the same thing for a suppressor?

So what I can't use a SBR or a suppressor until I get a stamp?

Good news is you can start with it in pistol form and use a brace, form 1 it and make your own SBR and it will only take you 30 days to get that tax stamp back. 

 

Thats the way to go. 

If you are going to do multiple nfa stuff, would a trust be better?

Thats a question for Ruben

Gotcha.  I have a trust setup at silencer shop.  Im thinking i want to sbr the hk416, just trying to figure out the cost...  Paging ruben!

Unless you’re wanting to put multiple people on it I don’t see the point. I believe the wait times are a bit longer too. I’m up to 11 stamps doing individual, 3 are pending.

I appreciate the info.  Do you have to fingerprint and picture each time on an individual?  Whats that cost?

Yes, for form ones. You’ll need to send fingerprints and a picture everytime. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure you have to do the same with the trust too. It’s also $200 whether you do individual/trust. 

 For form 4s I would highly suggest using Silencer Shop. They keep your fingerprints on file, and you only have to update your photo every year.

9/17/20 3:39 AM
8/7/07
Posts: 8153
fiznadd -

Experts -- what are my options for the gas block? Any pros and cons on an adjustable one vs a non-adjustable?

Far from an expert, let alone anything regarding a piston gun....

 

But adjustable gas blocks are just one more thing to add to a gas system that can fail and they are far more of a problem than they are a solution to anything.

9/17/20 10:49 AM
1/23/14
Posts: 1565
theken206 - 
fiznadd -

Experts -- what are my options for the gas block? Any pros and cons on an adjustable one vs a non-adjustable?

Far from an expert, let alone anything regarding a piston gun....

 

But adjustable gas blocks are just one more thing to add to a gas system that can fail and they are far more of a problem than they are a solution to anything.


Ahh got it, thank you. I keep wanting to take shortcuts, but it's probably better to be patient.

9/17/20 10:53 AM
6/13/03
Posts: 29701

The early HK adjustable GB were failure prone as found out by the Norwegian military. They have since upgraded and have been found to be robust. You just need to be sure you get the right one and get your barrel to gas port size matched correctly. That that can end up being a confusing feat.

9/17/20 10:58 AM
1/23/14
Posts: 1566
Sogsteel - 

The early HK adjustable GB were failure prone as found out by the Norwegian military. They have since upgraded and have been found to be robust. You just need to be sure you get the right one and get your barrel to gas port size matched correctly. That that can end up being a confusing feat.


Is the slim line one the actual correct one? Or is that for the MR556?

9/18/20 12:23 PM
1/23/14
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9/18/20 1:10 PM
7/27/04
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Oh dude that's sweet