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I was agreeing with him and trying to explain why  brocks comparison wasn’t relevant. Sorry if I didn’t explain clearly . I’m not the best at communicating online . 

I should probably stick to what I know and that’s weapon systems and aircraft. Not policy or politics. 

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Calm down man.  A few guided rockets aren't going to take down Isreal. Would it be a bit of a game changer? sure, but they're not launching 100,000 missiles.  They would be flattened before they got the 10th rocket fired off, if they can even get that far. This shit will be stopped for the most part before it gets off the ground.  

 

Isreal calling out the Iranian generals on the ground was their way of letting Iran know that Isreal knows exactly what's going on and who they need to take out to stop this.  Iran knows if they attack Isreal, we will attack them and they would be fucked.  So Iran will back off and find another way to instigate the issue and shit will conitnue as normal. That's my prediction anyway.


I hope you're right man. Except we may not be talking about a 'few' guided missiles. They'll pile up thousands if Israel doesn't stop them.  If 20% get through and they are all bull's eyes, Israel is fucked.

It's astonishing what a cheap simple GPS will do though.


The problem here isn't these rockets we're talking about, I sreal will handle that I believe. The bigger issue is that as the technology gap narrows between the Isrealies and the mussies it will get more and more difficult to maintain the current state.  

Like brockswockshanetrain said above, it may become unsustainable at some point.  if iran would gtfo of the equation there probably could be some kind of peace made but as long as they keep meddling it will never happen. If they get stronger and more bold who knows what might happen.  


You start out by saying you believe Israel can handle these new guided missiles and will handle them.

I'm just curious as to how you think Israel would stop the missiles in an attack like that without sustaining a huge amount of damage to its cities and population centers.

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Between jammers , phalanx and missile defense systems most wouldn’t get close . Of course some will but not an overwhelming amount . We can push a button and shutdown any satellite or use a certain plane that has been in space for a long time . If they had the tech to have terrain mapping navigation where the weapon directed itself instead of relying on outside sources like gps  it would be much harder to stop . 

I hope you are right about that.

 

Sure... but then be prepared to shut down GPS for everyone....

Hey soul. You were a prophet on this one. You brought it up a couple of years ago as a potential Danger as I recall.

You'll have to forgive me, since I am somewhat stoned on medical marijuana for back pain at the moment, but what do you mean about shutting down GPS for everyone. Is that what he's proposing ? to disable the GPS missiles systems.?

I don't think it is a "prophetic" issue at all.  And I have been saying this for at least over a decade.

I just predicted that eventually groups like Hezbollah would have access to precision missiles... and that when that happened, it would be a permanent game-changer in the region.

Israel's superiority (with Apache Helicopters, Tanks, F-16 fighter jets (and now F-35), etc.) would be rendered much less meaningful if Hezbollah (but especially Hamas) had the ability to target.  Unless, Israel were willing to wipe out huge population dense areas occupied by civilians.

If they could pick out a tall buiding in Tel-Aviv and hit it... that would permanently shift the balance and would represent the end of the modern day Israel.

The question wasn't if... but when.

The problem is how Israel will choose to deal with any future conflicts.  Any provocation (to Southern Lebanon or Syria or Iran) could invite loads of precision guided missiles. 

They will be boxed in.

And if there is a conflict and missiles rain on Tel-Aviv... it will be the end of modern day Israel, as many of the people who live their will not want to live under that kind of threat going forward.  Just imagine the tallest buildings (with people inside) wiped out.

Of course there will be some end to conflict in the short term and it may lead to a ground invasion again where Israel permanently occupies southern Lebanon...  but it will be a fucking mess.

On the GPS... I am not sure what he is specifically referring to.. but I would assume that if you are shutting down that capability in a given region that everyone who uses it in that area (i.e. Israel) would be affected.

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ChucksChin - 

I was agreeing with him and trying to explain why  brocks comparison wasn’t relevant. Sorry if I didn’t explain clearly . I’m not the best at communicating online . 

I should probably stick to what I know and that’s weapon systems and aircraft. Not policy or politics. 


Why is it not? As you said...

Current US policy is to not use or threaten the use of nukes against a non nuclear country

That would be exactly the case here. 

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^^^^ Would also likely begin a broader war with Iran where we (the USA) would bomb the shit out of military targets in Tehran...

Sounds like a nightmare scenario...


 I would love for us to stay out of it even if Iran gets drawn in. But short of using nukes, I'm not sure Israel can handle Hezbollah and Iran at the same time.


Best think to do TBH. There will never be peace in that area while the west interfears, let them sort it out and to the winner the spoils. Its a harsh but true fact that pretty much every stable region is born that way. 


 But if we don't stay involved over there, it's possible a nuclear war could start which would have an enormous impact on us.

 

and if we do stay out of it, israel may have no choice but to use nukes


Yeah, I think we are saying the same thing. We can't ignore it. Because it's not going to ignore us. The crisis will reach us if it gets started over there. 

If we don't use our influence to at least try to calm things down or keep order, there is a greater chance of a catastrophe happening that would suck us in anyway.

 

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^^^^ Would also likely begin a broader war with Iran where we (the USA) would bomb the shit out of military targets in Tehran...

Sounds like a nightmare scenario...


 I would love for us to stay out of it even if Iran gets drawn in. But short of using nukes, I'm not sure Israel can handle Hezbollah and Iran at the same time.


Best think to do TBH. There will never be peace in that area while the west interfears, let them sort it out and to the winner the spoils. Its a harsh but true fact that pretty much every stable region is born that way. 


 But if we don't stay involved over there, it's possible a nuclear war could start which would have an enormous impact on us.

 

and if we do stay out of it, israel may have no choice but to use nukes


Yeah, I think we are saying the same thing. We can't ignore it. Because it's not going to ignore us. The crisis will reach us if it gets started over there. 

If we don't use our influence to at least try to calm things down or keep order, there is a greater chance of a catastrophe happening that would suck us in anyway.

 


There is never going to be a military solution to calm things down. 

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Between jammers , phalanx and missile defense systems most wouldn’t get close . Of course some will but not an overwhelming amount . We can push a button and shutdown any satellite or use a certain plane that has been in space for a long time . If they had the tech to have terrain mapping navigation where the weapon directed itself instead of relying on outside sources like gps  it would be much harder to stop . 

I hope you are right about that.

 

Sure... but then be prepared to shut down GPS for everyone....

Hey soul. You were a prophet on this one. You brought it up a couple of years ago as a potential Danger as I recall.

You'll have to forgive me, since I am somewhat stoned on medical marijuana for back pain at the moment, but what do you mean about shutting down GPS for everyone. Is that what he's proposing ? to disable the GPS missiles systems.?

I don't think it is a "prophetic" issue at all.  And I have been saying this for at least over a decade.

I just predicted that eventually groups like Hezbollah would have access to precision missiles... and that when that happened, it would be a permanent game-changer in the region.

Israel's superiority (with Apache Helicopters, Tanks, F-16 fighter jets (and now F-35), etc.) would be rendered much less meaningful if Hezbollah (but especially Hamas) had the ability to target.  Unless, Israel were willing to wipe out huge population dense areas occupied by civilians.

If they could pick out a tall buiding in Tel-Aviv and hit it... that would permanently shift the balance and would represent the end of the modern day Israel.

The question wasn't if... but when.

The problem is how Israel will choose to deal with any future conflicts.  Any provocation (to Southern Lebanon or Syria or Iran) could invite loads of precision guided missiles. 

They will be boxed in.

And if there is a conflict and missiles rain on Tel-Aviv... it will be the end of modern day Israel, as many of the people who live their will not want to live under that kind of threat going forward.  Just imagine the tallest buildings (with people inside) wiped out.

Of course there will be some end to conflict in the short term and it may lead to a ground invasion again where Israel permanently occupies southern Lebanon...  but it will be a fucking mess.

On the GPS... I am not sure what he is specifically referring to.. but I would assume that if you are shutting down that capability in a given region that everyone who uses it in that area (i.e. Israel) would be affected.

Not sure if your right on this. If a missle or multiple missles hit anything stratgic in Israel they would respond in such force Palistine would be wiped out and it would be game on with Iran. I suspect Russia and China would hold back fearing the US response. The end result would change the worlds map and bring us to the brink of WW3. Or Israel attacks first and stops short of hitting Iran [or maybe bombs nuke plants] and the status quo is somewhat maintained with much more Israeli control of the region. Both results are diasters but first is worst.

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Of all the bits of land to steal who on earth though this would be a good idea...

Image result for religion map islam


I'm not sure steal is the appropriate word. The UN gave Israel the right to exist as a state. The UN also offered the Arabs (Pals) half the land for their own state. They refused the offer (which most of them now regret) and instead tried to wipe Israel out.with the help of all the surrounding Arab countries, . The outcome is well-known.

But that is such a completely different topic, I don't want to get into it.

It's a WHOLE different can of worms than the alarming shit that's taking place today.

 


People were, and still are being, forcibly removed from their land and homes which was then given to others. If that is not stealing I don't know what is.  


Well, when you figure out how to deal with an implacable population of people who are dedicated to your extermination and love using violence to reach that goal,,, well, you just let me know, OK? 

In the meantime, I'm starting to see what your real beliefs are. 

I'd prefer it if you woudn't try to highjack the thread and turn it into a platform for your anti-Israel views not related to the subject of the thread..Thanks

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Israel constantly violates Lebanese airspace. They launced (a failed) drone attack in southern Lebanon last week. 

They cant even handle the Palestinians. There is no way they can handle Hezbollah. We saw how well the 06 war went when they tried to “disarm” them. 

Maybe they should stop acting like a rouge nation that does no abide by any international rules?

They are literally caged in the muslim world. I would be scared too if I lived in Israel. 

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^^^^ Would also likely begin a broader war with Iran where we (the USA) would bomb the shit out of military targets in Tehran...

Sounds like a nightmare scenario...


 I would love for us to stay out of it even if Iran gets drawn in. But short of using nukes, I'm not sure Israel can handle Hezbollah and Iran at the same time.


Best think to do TBH. There will never be peace in that area while the west interfears, let them sort it out and to the winner the spoils. Its a harsh but true fact that pretty much every stable region is born that way. 


There will never be peace in that area while there is Islam. Call the problem by its true name and don't try to blame the West.

The problem is that a the west decided to steal land and move a bunch of jews into the heart of islam. I am pretty sure if the roles were reversed and the muslims kicked everyone out of, and took over, DC, you would be equally as pissed. 

But that boat has sailed, IMO its time the west stopped messing with other people shit. Leave them to it and let them sort it out. 


Again, not that easy.

Iran is in the middle of all this.  That means their close ally Russia is involved. Any time Russia is involved its trouble and 'all bets off'.

Need I go further? If Israel starts getting decapitated, it's nuke time and nukes may be flying from more than one country. The whole world would be involved.

We can't just let them sort it out in a nuclear world.


Russia isn't going to start nuking people.


Russia will also not let Israel nuke Iran.

If Israel HAS to start nuking people due to existential danger, you don't know what Russia might do.


Israel do not HAVE to nuke anyone. 


They might.  If Hezbollah deploys those missiles and uses them.

I don't think Israel will tolerate those missiles.

If those precision missiles start coming in and destroying Israeli cities, Israel will do whatever it has to do to survive..


If they start dropping nukes on people then they deserve to be wiped out. 


Are you intentionally not getting it? 

Seriously. You seem to be missing the point no matter how clear people are trying to make it for you.

Israel will not sit there and allow their country to be completely destroyed or degraded by the incoming missiles. If they have no other way to stop the missiles, they will use whatever it takes.  Period.

That is the first job of any president or prime minister. To protect the people of the country. Do you at least get that?

Can't make it any clearer pal.

 

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Israel constantly violates Lebanese airspace. They launced (a failed) drone attack in southern Lebanon last week. 

They cant even handle the Palestinians. There is no way they can handle Hezbollah. We saw how well the 06 war went when they tried to “disarm” them. 

Maybe they should stop acting like a rouge nation that does no abide by any international rules?

They are literally caged in the muslim world. I would be scared too if I lived in Israel. 


You say that... but Israel is also boxed in because they refuse to employ broad destructive strategies.

Israel could just become a rogue nation that says "fuck it" and employs massive destruction every time someone fucks with it... that would keep their enemies in check...

That is another strategy (but yes - that would mean the end to modern day Israel)...

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I was agreeing with him and trying to explain why  brocks comparison wasn’t relevant. Sorry if I didn’t explain clearly . I’m not the best at communicating online . 

I should probably stick to what I know and that’s weapon systems and aircraft. Not policy or politics. 

 

Why is it not? As you said...

Current US policy is to not use or threaten the use of nukes against a non nuclear country

That would be exactly the case here. 

Iran has nukes ,  Taliban don’t . Also we weren’t worried about the taliban wiping us from the face of the earth .

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Of all the bits of land to steal who on earth though this would be a good idea...

Image result for religion map islam


I'm not sure steal is the appropriate word. The UN gave Israel the right to exist as a state. The UN also offered the Arabs (Pals) half the land for their own state. They refused the offer (which most of them now regret) and instead tried to wipe Israel out.with the help of all the surrounding Arab countries, . The outcome is well-known.

But that is such a completely different topic, I don't want to get into it.

It's a WHOLE different can of worms than the alarming shit that's taking place today.

 


People were, and still are being, forcibly removed from their land and homes which was then given to others. If that is not stealing I don't know what is.  


Well, when you figure out how to deal with an implacable population of people who are dedicated to your extermination and love using violence to reach that goal,,, well, you just let me know, OK? 

In the meantime, I'm starting to see what your real beliefs are. 

I'd prefer it if you woudn't try to highjack the thread and turn it into a platform for your anti-Israel views not related to the subject of the thread..Thanks


What you don't do is steal peoples land, you can try an dress it up all you like but that is EXACTLY what it was. Furthermore, if you are not going to try to understand the roots of the issue how on earth do you ever expect to end it?

Pop quiz question for you, what city do the State of Palestine consider to be their capital city? This is literally like the UN kicking the Americans out of, and moving the jews into, DC. Then wondering why Americans are pissed off. 

Like I said before that ship has sailed and now there is no changing that, but you have to at least understand the very real and valid grievances that Palestine has here and look for a real solution; unless you are happy with the lets just nuke everyone approach. There needs a be a situation like Northern Ireland, free movement, duel nationalities, no boarders etc. Its the only way this can work in the long term. 

 

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I was agreeing with him and trying to explain why  brocks comparison wasn’t relevant. Sorry if I didn’t explain clearly . I’m not the best at communicating online . 

I should probably stick to what I know and that’s weapon systems and aircraft. Not policy or politics. 

 

Why is it not? As you said...

Current US policy is to not use or threaten the use of nukes against a non nuclear country

That would be exactly the case here. 

Iran has nukes ,  Taliban don’t . Also we weren’t worried about the taliban wiping us from the face of the earth .


We are not talking about Iran, we are talking about Hamas. Oh and Iran does not yet have nukes, though it will pretty soon have them.

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Are you intentionally not getting it? 

Seriously. You seem to be missing the point no matter how clear people are trying to make it for you.

Israel will not sit there and allow their country to be completely destroyed or degraded by the incoming missiles. If they have no other way to stop the missiles, they will use whatever it takes.  Period.

That is the first job of any president or prime minister. To protect the people of the country. Do you at least get that?

Can't make it any clearer pal.

 

So would you of been fine with the UK nuking Ireland?

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Are you intentionally not getting it? 

Seriously. You seem to be missing the point no matter how clear people are trying to make it for you.

Israel will not sit there and allow their country to be completely destroyed or degraded by the incoming missiles. If they have no other way to stop the missiles, they will use whatever it takes.  Period.

That is the first job of any president or prime minister. To protect the people of the country. Do you at least get that?

Can't make it any clearer pal.

 

So would you of been fine with the UK nuking Ireland?

You mean Ireland now...

 

Or do you mean Ireland if an outside hostile force funded them and they started launching thousands of GPS guided rockets into parliament. Schools, banks, industry, etc?

 

 

...

Yea because in that case I'm pretty sure I'd understand.  Ireland would be taking the big L.

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ChucksChin - 

I was agreeing with him and trying to explain why  brocks comparison wasn’t relevant. Sorry if I didn’t explain clearly . I’m not the best at communicating online . 

I should probably stick to what I know and that’s weapon systems and aircraft. Not policy or politics. 


Yes, I got the impression you were basically agreeing with me, (if you are) although it was a bit unclear.

Don't put yourself down.Guys who know things like weapon systems and aircraft come in very handy on threads like this. I'd rather have guys like you who actually know things around here than posters who are ignorant and don't seem to grasp things.

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I was agreeing with him and trying to explain why  brocks comparison wasn’t relevant. Sorry if I didn’t explain clearly . I’m not the best at communicating online . 

I should probably stick to what I know and that’s weapon systems and aircraft. Not policy or politics. 


Yes, I got the impression you were basically agreeing with me, (if you are) although it was a bit unclear.

Don't put yourself down.Guys who know things like weapon systems and aircraft come in very handy on threads like this. I'd rather have guys like you who actually know things around here than posters who are ignorant and don't seem to grasp things.

Yes , I was agreeing with you 100% Thank you . I worked on f-16’s in the military and then after the military I got a sweet job on the most badass plane . Also got Offered job at Pax river for the f-35 program . But It wasn’t worth moving my family to southern Maryland . 

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Between jammers , phalanx and missile defense systems most wouldn’t get close . Of course some will but not an overwhelming amount . We can push a button and shutdown any satellite or use a certain plane that has been in space for a long time . If they had the tech to have terrain mapping navigation where the weapon directed itself instead of relying on outside sources like gps  it would be much harder to stop . 

I hope you are right about that.

 

Sure... but then be prepared to shut down GPS for everyone....

Hey soul. You were a prophet on this one. You brought it up a couple of years ago as a potential Danger as I recall.

You'll have to forgive me, since I am somewhat stoned on medical marijuana for back pain at the moment, but what do you mean about shutting down GPS for everyone. Is that what he's proposing ? to disable the GPS missiles systems.?

I don't think it is a "prophetic" issue at all.  And I have been saying this for at least over a decade.

I just predicted that eventually groups like Hezbollah would have access to precision missiles... and that when that happened, it would be a permanent game-changer in the region.

Israel's superiority (with Apache Helicopters, Tanks, F-16 fighter jets (and now F-35), etc.) would be rendered much less meaningful if Hezbollah (but especially Hamas) had the ability to target.  Unless, Israel were willing to wipe out huge population dense areas occupied by civilians.

If they could pick out a tall buiding in Tel-Aviv and hit it... that would permanently shift the balance and would represent the end of the modern day Israel.

The question wasn't if... but when.

The problem is how Israel will choose to deal with any future conflicts.  Any provocation (to Southern Lebanon or Syria or Iran) could invite loads of precision guided missiles. 

They will be boxed in.

And if there is a conflict and missiles rain on Tel-Aviv... it will be the end of modern day Israel, as many of the people who live their will not want to live under that kind of threat going forward.  Just imagine the tallest buildings (with people inside) wiped out.

Of course there will be some end to conflict in the short term and it may lead to a ground invasion again where Israel permanently occupies southern Lebanon...  but it will be a fucking mess.

On the GPS... I am not sure what he is specifically referring to.. but I would assume that if you are shutting down that capability in a given region that everyone who uses it in that area (i.e. Israel) would be affected.


"I don't think it is a "prophetic" issue at all.  And I have been saying this for at least over a decade.

I just predicted that eventually groups like Hezbollah would have access to precision missiles... and that when that happened, it would be a permanent game-changer in the region.

Israel's superiority (with Apache Helicopters, Tanks, F-16 fighter jets (and now F-35), etc.) would be rendered much less meaningful if Hezbollah (but especially Hamas) had the ability to target.  Unless, Israel were willing to wipe out huge population dense areas occupied by civilians.

If they could pick out a tall buiding in Tel-Aviv and hit it... that would permanently shift the balance and would represent the end of the modern day Israel.

The question wasn't if... but when."

^ It's nice to know you agree with me lionsoul. Or rather I should say, I agree with you, since you were the  one who predicted this a long time ago. 

It's sad there are some on this thread who just don't get it.

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Are you intentionally not getting it? 

Seriously. You seem to be missing the point no matter how clear people are trying to make it for you.

Israel will not sit there and allow their country to be completely destroyed or degraded by the incoming missiles. If they have no other way to stop the missiles, they will use whatever it takes.  Period.

That is the first job of any president or prime minister. To protect the people of the country. Do you at least get that?

Can't make it any clearer pal.

 

So would you of been fine with the UK nuking Ireland?

You mean Ireland now...

 

Or do you mean Ireland if an outside hostile force funded them and they started launching thousands of GPS guided rockets into parliament. Schools, banks, industry, etc?

 

 

...

Yea because in that case I'm pretty sure I'd understand.  Ireland would be taking the big L.


The IRA did have an outside hostile force funding them, the point being that Nukes are not an reasonable response to terrorist attacks. 

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Between jammers , phalanx and missile defense systems most wouldn’t get close . Of course some will but not an overwhelming amount . We can push a button and shutdown any satellite or use a certain plane that has been in space for a long time . If they had the tech to have terrain mapping navigation where the weapon directed itself instead of relying on outside sources like gps  it would be much harder to stop . 

I hope you are right about that.

 

Sure... but then be prepared to shut down GPS for everyone....

Hey soul. You were a prophet on this one. You brought it up a couple of years ago as a potential Danger as I recall.

You'll have to forgive me, since I am somewhat stoned on medical marijuana for back pain at the moment, but what do you mean about shutting down GPS for everyone. Is that what he's proposing ? to disable the GPS missiles systems.?

I don't think it is a "prophetic" issue at all.  And I have been saying this for at least over a decade.

I just predicted that eventually groups like Hezbollah would have access to precision missiles... and that when that happened, it would be a permanent game-changer in the region.

Israel's superiority (with Apache Helicopters, Tanks, F-16 fighter jets (and now F-35), etc.) would be rendered much less meaningful if Hezbollah (but especially Hamas) had the ability to target.  Unless, Israel were willing to wipe out huge population dense areas occupied by civilians.

If they could pick out a tall buiding in Tel-Aviv and hit it... that would permanently shift the balance and would represent the end of the modern day Israel.

The question wasn't if... but when.

The problem is how Israel will choose to deal with any future conflicts.  Any provocation (to Southern Lebanon or Syria or Iran) could invite loads of precision guided missiles. 

They will be boxed in.

And if there is a conflict and missiles rain on Tel-Aviv... it will be the end of modern day Israel, as many of the people who live their will not want to live under that kind of threat going forward.  Just imagine the tallest buildings (with people inside) wiped out.

Of course there will be some end to conflict in the short term and it may lead to a ground invasion again where Israel permanently occupies southern Lebanon...  but it will be a fucking mess.

On the GPS... I am not sure what he is specifically referring to.. but I would assume that if you are shutting down that capability in a given region that everyone who uses it in that area (i.e. Israel) would be affected.


"I don't think it is a "prophetic" issue at all.  And I have been saying this for at least over a decade.

I just predicted that eventually groups like Hezbollah would have access to precision missiles... and that when that happened, it would be a permanent game-changer in the region.

Israel's superiority (with Apache Helicopters, Tanks, F-16 fighter jets (and now F-35), etc.) would be rendered much less meaningful if Hezbollah (but especially Hamas) had the ability to target.  Unless, Israel were willing to wipe out huge population dense areas occupied by civilians.

If they could pick out a tall buiding in Tel-Aviv and hit it... that would permanently shift the balance and would represent the end of the modern day Israel.

The question wasn't if... but when."

^ It's nice to know you agree with me lionsoul. Or rather I should say, I agree with you, since you were the  one who predicted this a long time ago. 

It's sad there are some on this thread who just don't get it.

"and that when that happened, it would be a permanent game-changer in the region."

Eh? I 100% do get that, ALL I AM SAYING is nuking the fuck out of everyone is not a reasonable or plausible solution. 

 

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I was agreeing with him and trying to explain why  brocks comparison wasn’t relevant. Sorry if I didn’t explain clearly . I’m not the best at communicating online . 

I should probably stick to what I know and that’s weapon systems and aircraft. Not policy or politics. 


Yes, I got the impression you were basically agreeing with me, (if you are) although it was a bit unclear.

Don't put yourself down.Guys who know things like weapon systems and aircraft come in very handy on threads like this. I'd rather have guys like you who actually know things around here than posters who are ignorant and don't seem to grasp things.

Yes , I was agreeing with you 100% Thank you . I worked on f-16’s in the military and then after the military I got a sweet job on the most badass plane . Also got Offered job at Pax river for the f-35 program . But It wasn’t worth moving my family to southern Maryland . 


Yeah, I guess that f-35 is quite an ass kicker, eh?

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blood fist -  I'd rather have guys like you who actually know things around here than posters who are ignorant and don't seem to grasp things.

You mean like yourself who is happy just to brush over the history and roots of the situation.

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^^^^ Would also likely begin a broader war with Iran where we (the USA) would bomb the shit out of military targets in Tehran...

Sounds like a nightmare scenario...


 I would love for us to stay out of it even if Iran gets drawn in. But short of using nukes, I'm not sure Israel can handle Hezbollah and Iran at the same time.


Best think to do TBH. There will never be peace in that area while the west interfears, let them sort it out and to the winner the spoils. Its a harsh but true fact that pretty much every stable region is born that way. 


There will never be peace in that area while there is Islam. Call the problem by its true name and don't try to blame the West.

The problem is that a the west decided to steal land and move a bunch of jews into the heart of islam. I am pretty sure if the roles were reversed and the muslims kicked everyone out of, and took over, DC, you would be equally as pissed. 

But that boat has sailed, IMO its time the west stopped messing with other people shit. Leave them to it and let them sort it out. 


Again, not that easy.

Iran is in the middle of all this.  That means their close ally Russia is involved. Any time Russia is involved its trouble and 'all bets off'.

Need I go further? If Israel starts getting decapitated, it's nuke time and nukes may be flying from more than one country. The whole world would be involved.

We can't just let them sort it out in a nuclear world.


Russia isn't going to start nuking people.


Russia will also not let Israel nuke Iran.

If Israel HAS to start nuking people due to existential danger, you don't know what Russia might do.


Israel do not HAVE to nuke anyone. 

sure. they could just allow themselves to be wiped off the face of the earth. every man woman child murdered. sounds like a reasonable alternative


Or they could make a REAL effort at a peace agreement. Lets not pretend like they are 100% innocent here. 

bwwwaahahahahahahah

fuck off. go ahead, dieing to hear YOUR "real effort a peace"... BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

i seriously cant believe shit heads like you exist in the world.

you know EVERY SINGLE pal group has "the distruction of israel" in their charter, right? The refuse to allow israel the right to exist, fucknut. let me guess, you dont hate jews, just israeli policy, right? BWWWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA ....  that 99% israel offered wasnt REAL... nope, its real when jews allow the "right of return to pal and the descendants" right? oh yeah, and give up ALL water rights to them to!

How about you suck my circumcized cock 1st, then i'll tell israel to get "real"

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People have no idea what it’s capable of . In another thread I explained how Israel flew them all around Tehran without Iran knowing until long after they left . Remember When the two f-15s scrambled after an unknown white object on the west coast  by California a while back and couldn’t find it , it was a 737 called rat55 it’s a top secret test plane   . Its Possible to make a pod for our planes to make them stealth  . If you can bend radar waves with magnetic fields like modern aircraft radar it is reasonable to think they have the technology to bend the enemy radar waves around their plane so the enemy radar wouldn’t get a return .