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The umbrellas they carry to ward off pepper spray gives this a Blade Runner vibe.

 

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8/6/19 4:30 PM
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ttt

8/6/19 4:36 PM
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Free Hong Kong!

8/6/19 4:50 PM
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Free Hong Kong!


No more communism!

Toss it on the trash heap of history where it beloings!

 

8/6/19 4:54 PM
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I have a feeling this is going to end very badly for Honk Kong and the rest of the world is going to say absolutely nothing. 

You calling someone a honkey?

8/6/19 4:56 PM
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In all seriousness... This will most likely give the HK government an excuse to invite Chinese troops in

 

And then things will get really bad

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lol

8/14/19 8:24 PM
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The article below provides an update on the Hong Kong general strike movement.

 

Hong Kong: "path of no return" – either class struggle or defeat

Hong Kong's earthshaking protest movement is entering its second month. Despite increasing pressure from Beijing and the Carrie Lam government, the movement still grows in militancy. It is graduating from bourgeois liberal methods towards the method of class struggle. In many ways, when Carrie Lam emerged from days of obscurity to respond to the general strike, she was right to say that the Hong Kong movement is heading towards a "path of no return."

 

The Hong Kong masses are pressing ahead to overcome the acute social contradictions created by the capitalist system, despite the myriad of confusion introduced by all sorts of nefarious elements. Yet, without a Marxist political leadership, a class struggle perspective, and a socialist programme, the reactionary fetters introduced by bourgeois liberal and reformist leaders will become an absolute fetter to the advancement of the working-class interests of the Hong Kong masses as a whole.

 

On Monday, 5 August, the Hong Kong masses strived to make history, as a general strike was attempted. The last, fully realised general strike in the city took place in 1925 against the iron heel of British imperialism.

 

Historical developments and material circumstances, along with Stalinist and reformist betrayals, deprived generations of the Hong Kong working class from a fighting experience and organisation for a long period. In this early stage of grasping for a method and strategy, the current movement, unfortunately, found themselves in a dangerous and disorientating confluence with pro-western imperialist public figures' slogans, perspectives, and interests.

 

The course of the struggle up to this point highlights the urgent necessity for a sharp class differentiation to take place.

 

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A path to victory, or a road to defeat

The Chinese government is attempting to avoid direct intervention by the PLA for now. This would risk spreading the movement to the mainland, which is precisely what Beijing wants to avoid. Yet, it is unlikely that Beijing will opt to grant any concessions to the movement, economic or political. During the second HKMAO press conference, a CCP state spokesperson attributed the large presence of youths in Hong Kong's protest, not to dire economic contradictions, but due to "poor patriotic education" or Hong Kong youths' "lack of interaction with the rest of China and the world." This is necessary because the fiction that "One Country, Two Systems" has brought prosperity to Hong Kong's masses needs to be maintained. China also cannot afford to set an example of granting large-scale welfare or democratic reforms to Hong Kong when capitalism is also plunging the rest of the country into the very same social contradictions happening in Hong Kong.

 

The Hong Kong police will likely be the mailed fist against the movement when it shows any sign of decline. Hong Kong's government already purchased riot trucks from France, equipped with water cannon. The Hong Kong police, co-led by British-born Chief superintendent Rupert Dover, is openly advertising a staining technology on its official facebook to warn that any protester would be stained with ink that would help the police identify them for days afterwards.

 

Thus, Beijing and the Hong Kong government will bide their time, continually increasing pressure via the Hong Kong police, and counting on liberal public figures and the lack of class struggle leadership to steer the movement into confusion and demoralisation. After which, fierce political repression will be unleashed.

 

The only way out of this scenario is to broaden the movement into mainland China. Marxists welcome the calls for more strike and the masses' willingness to continue the fight, but the struggle needs to not only elevate to a higher organisational level, with the formation of a strike committee from representatives elected by all Hong Kong workers and youths who are participating in the struggle, but also actively broaden the struggle itself beyond Hong Kong.

 

Any honest, consistent democrats, youths and socialists in Hong Kong must immediately begin propaganda towards the broader Chinese masses to counter the government's slander in Mandarin Chinese, and clearly include the daily economic needs of mainland Chinese workers into their own programme and demands. They also need to openly criticise and marginalise their current liberal and reformist leadership, to steer the movement into a consistent class struggle with a socialist programme that provides a solution to housing, income and all economic crises that afflict working people across East Asia. Any anti-Chinese, anti-Communist, or pro-Western imperialist sentiments must be immediately repudiated and jettisoned, for they will only bring the movement towards destruction.

 

Read the full article using the link below:

https://www.marxist.com/hong-kong-path-of-no-return-either-class-struggle-defeat.htm

8/14/19 8:30 PM
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Nope

It's still not a communist revolution and China is still a communist garbage pile no matter what shift in language you marxists use to pretend those companies aren't state run.

Still laughing at you reds.

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Nope

It's still not a communist revolution and China is still a communist garbage pile no matter what shift in language you marxists use to pretend those companies aren't state run.

Still laughing at you reds.

 

The goal-post shifting by Proteus is epic!

I give him credit for not supporting the communist overlords, however.

MHKGA!

 

8/14/19 9:08 PM
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Nope

It's still not a communist revolution and China is still a communist garbage pile no matter what shift in language you marxists use to pretend those companies aren't state run.

Still laughing at you reds.

The irony of this quoted post is that it is exactly the same propaganda spread by the Chinese regime: the CCP is communist, state-run companies are communist, the Hong Kong movement isn't a movement of the working class and poor against capitalism, but an anti-communist, pro-imperialist riot, etc. You have sided with the Chinese regime, defending it by repeating its lies, and you don't even know it.

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Nope

It's still not a communist revolution and China is still a communist garbage pile no matter what shift in language you marxists use to pretend those companies aren't state run.

Still laughing at you reds.

The irony of this quoted post is that it is exactly the same propaganda spread by the Chinese regime: the CCP is communist, state-run companies are communist, the Hong Kong movement isn't a movement of the working class and poor against capitalism, but an anti-communist, pro-imperialist riot, etc. You have sided with the Chinese regime, defending it by repeating its lies, and you don't even know it.


The Hong Kong protestors are anti-capitalism like your ass chews gum.

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Nope

It's still not a communist revolution and China is still a communist garbage pile no matter what shift in language you marxists use to pretend those companies aren't state run.

Still laughing at you reds.

The irony of this quoted post is that it is exactly the same propaganda spread by the Chinese regime: the CCP is communist, state-run companies are communist, the Hong Kong movement isn't a movement of the working class and poor against capitalism, but an anti-communist, pro-imperialist riot, etc. You have sided with the Chinese regime, defending it by repeating its lies, and you don't even know it.

Hong Kong right now: "BETTER DEAD THAN RED"

Still laughing at you.

8/14/19 9:52 PM
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Wheres Godzilla when you need him

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Proteus The Invincible - 
ChaosOverkill -

Nope

It's still not a communist revolution and China is still a communist garbage pile no matter what shift in language you marxists use to pretend those companies aren't state run.

Still laughing at you reds.

The irony of this quoted post is that it is exactly the same propaganda spread by the Chinese regime: the CCP is communist, state-run companies are communist, the Hong Kong movement isn't a movement of the working class and poor against capitalism, but an anti-communist, pro-imperialist riot, etc. You have sided with the Chinese regime, defending it by repeating its lies, and you don't even know it.


The Hong Kong protestors are anti-capitalism like your ass chews gum.

Why are they waving US flags if they are anti-capitalist? Isn't America basically synonymous with capitalism in China?

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ChaosOverkill -

Nope

It's still not a communist revolution and China is still a communist garbage pile no matter what shift in language you marxists use to pretend those companies aren't state run.

Still laughing at you reds.

The irony of this quoted post is that it is exactly the same propaganda spread by the Chinese regime: the CCP is communist, state-run companies are communist, the Hong Kong movement isn't a movement of the working class and poor against capitalism, but an anti-communist, pro-imperialist riot, etc. You have sided with the Chinese regime, defending it by repeating its lies, and you don't even know it.


The Hong Kong protestors are anti-capitalism like your ass chews gum.

Why are they waving US flags if they are anti-capitalist? Isn't America basically synonymous with capitalism in China?

 

The Hong Kongers are also the ur-Capitalists of Asia. They have a high standard of living as a result . Why would they want to give that up?

 

 

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8/15/19 10:42 AM
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My Father is from HK , I am of HK Chinese descent and speak native level Cantonese.

Most definitely , the protest are anti Communists but I would not say they are Capitalist more FREE MARKET, Hk Chinese hate oligopolies as much as Commies. Yes Croney Capitalism = Communism , same concept different label. HK are not stupid, they have highest average IQ in the world !

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My Father is from HK , I am of HK Chinese descent and speak native level Cantonese.

Most definitely , the protest are anti Communists but I would not say they are Capitalist more FREE MARKET, Hk Chinese hate oligopolies as much as Commies. Yes Croney Capitalism = Communism , same concept different label. HK are not stupid, they have highest average IQ in the world !


But they still shit in the street amiright?