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3/11/11
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Below is an update on the developing general strike in Hong Kong. The working class has entered the arena of struggle and pushed the regimes of Hong Kong and Beijing onto the back foot. The commencement of the general strike has seen a panicked response from Beijing, with street battles erupting between armed gangs and the police on one side, and workers and poor on the other.

 

Only being further angered by the repression of Beijing, the masses are reaching an insurrectionary mood, but in order to achieve victory, the Hong Kong working class needs to spread the general strike to the mainland by appealing to the Chinese workers for support, i.e., the Hong Kong movement needs to adopt a socialist program of workers' solidarity and coordination across borders. Without this step being taken, the Chinese ruling class cannot be undermined, much less defeated.

 

Hong Kong: first attempt at general strike shakes society – socialist programme and leadership needed!

As the government in Hong Kong continues to stand its ground, with Carrie Lam out of public sight for days, calls for a general strike have resurfaced in the past weeks. A spontaneously organised general strike on Monday (5 August) was called, along with plans for mass rallies in seven districts. 

 

The Hong Kong Confederation of Trade Unions announced that 96 unions under its leadership will be joining the strike, though in the form of mass sick day requests. Workers’ organisations from such sectors as air travel, rail, public transportation, finance, social services, and more have declared their adherence to the general strike. Many rank-and-file public sector employees, especially government office workers, also showed potential signs of following suit.

 

The day of the general strike began with the total paralysing of the Hong Kong International Airport, where over 3000 flight attendants, pilots, and ground staff took a sick day, causing more than 250 flights being cancelled instantly. Many subway stations also saw station workers shutting down the station or protesters keeping train doors open in order to disrupt traffic. More than 5 major subway lines have been stopped. Above ground, protesters began installing roadblocks all over the city to disrupt traffic.

 

At 10am in the morning, Carrie Lam and several high-ranking officials hosted a press conference for the first time after days of evading the public. She reiterated her firm stance against the movement and refused to give any concessions. She also warned that Hong Kong is rapidly approaching a “point of no return.” At the same time, the CCP regime’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office announced that they would hold a second press conference tomorrow afternoon commenting on the situation. Only a few Hong Kong media were invited, and all Taiwanese media were barred from attending.

 

As the day went on, it was unclear how many more workers outside of transportation and social service sectors actually observed the strike. The planned seven-district rallies (later joined by Disneyland as the eighth rally point) began to take shape. However, some protesters who were enraged by an incident over the weekend, where the police tore off a female protester’s trousers and underwear and dragged her across the street naked, began to throw bricks at the police. The police in turn mobilised to clear all rally points via rubber bullets and teargas.

 

In the evening, white-shirted gang members descended upon many protesters once again with weapons and repeated the savage acts that they perpetrated in Yuen Long weeks earlier. Protesters continue to fight back against the mobsters and the police in the streets.

 

Hong Kong’s movement is approaching an insurrectionary character. But the labour leadership must actively organise on a socialist programme and appeal to the Chinese working class in order to continue and strengthen this movement.

 

More reports will follow as the situation develops...

 

The link to the article is below:

https://www.marxist.com/hong-kong-first-attempt-at-general-strike-shakes-society-socialist-programme-and-leadership-needed.htm

13 days ago
6/6/02
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I have a feeling this is going to end very badly for Honk Kong and the rest of the world is going to say absolutely nothing. 

13 days ago
3/11/11
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Below are some scenes from on the ground.

 

 

 

 

13 days ago
5/24/03
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fanat - 

I have a feeling this is going to end very badly for Honk Kong and the rest of the world is going to say absolutely nothing. 


Democrats will find a way to blame it on Trump tweets.
13 days ago
2/25/13
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the paid triad mobsters ended up retreating and getting beat. the protesters vastly outnumbered them and started fight back
13 days ago
8/15/07
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Everybody was kung fu fighting!
13 days ago
1/18/12
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Looks like all of Vancouver's empty condos are about to fill up.

 

Yay

13 days ago
1/1/01
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Shits crazy

13 days ago
4/6/12
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In. Sad to see that they think they need a socialist structure in order to aucceed. T rading one shitty system of gov for another

13 days ago
10/16/10
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Proteus,

Why are you criticizing Beijing? Isn't the CCP running a proletariat state properly?

And aren't the HK protesters really just rebels or terrorists who should be imprisoned?
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3/2/11
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Point and laugh at the communist again everyone!
 

13 days ago
1/1/01
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ttt
13 days ago
3/11/11
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TheDorkKnight -

In. Sad to see that they think they need a socialist structure in order to aucceed. T rading one shitty system of gov for another

While a general strike is a step in the direction of workers’ rule—i.e., socialism—it doesn’t necessarily mean that there is a widespread, conscious sentiment among the workers in favour of socialism. On the contrary, general strikes often occur without any conscious leadership at all. It is in the instincts of the working class when it is under attack to paralyse society with generalised work stoppages. This is the basic means of workers’ struggle, a reflex of the class that requires no instruction or initiative from leaders.

 

The key significance of the general strike is that it poses the question of power. It is a showing of strength of the working class that shuts down society and reveals that it is the workers, not the capitalists, who make society run. However, while revealing this to be the case poses the question of power, it does not answer it.

 

It isn’t enough for the workers to simply shut down the economy and expose the impotence of their rulers. In fact, the capitalists, with all their hoarded wealth and resources, have the ability to wait out any such labour stoppages and resume their offensive against the workers later. In order for the workers to defeat their rulers, the general strike must be transcended. Once society’s production and distribution has been paralysed, it must then be resumed under the direction of the workers and to the exclusion of the capitalist ruling class. The capitalists cannot be allowed to sit upon their wealth and wait out the general strike: they must have their property actively expropriated and put to use in a conscious plan of production.

 

Only in this way can the question of power posed by the general strike be answered. Either the working class will expropriate the capitalists and assert itself as the new power, or the capitalist class will recover from the strike and reassert its own power. It is this higher step of expropriating the capitalists and running the economy without them that requires not merely the instinctive reflexes of the working class, but conscious planning from an elected and organised leadership, i.e., a socialist leadership carrying out a socialist program. This socialist leadership is what the movement of the Hong Kong workers is missing. Without it, Hong Kong will be crushed.

13 days ago
1/9/02
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Stache - Proteus,

Why are you criticizing Beijing? Isn't the CCP running a proletariat state properly?

And aren't the HK protesters really just rebels or terrorists who should be imprisoned?

I was about to ask this same question
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Stache - Proteus,

Why are you criticizing Beijing? Isn't the CCP running a proletariat state properly?

And aren't the HK protesters really just rebels or terrorists who should be imprisoned?

In fact, China’s “communist” party has not been a communist party since the 1920s, when its original Bolshevik leadership headed by Chen Duxiu was overcome by Stalinists working under the direction of the degenerated Communist International. Throughout the 1920s, amidst the anti-Bolshevik, Stalinist counter-revolution in Russia, the Communist International was hijacked by Stalinist agents, who subordinated the policies of the International to the interests of Stalin’s bureaucracy at home.

 

At the peak of the Chinese Revolution of the 1920s, just when the young and inexperienced Chinese Communist Party needed the guidance of the International the most, the new counter-revolutionary leadership of the International advised the Chinese communists not to direct the working class to power as was done in Russia, but instead to form a bourgeois coalition with the anti-working class butcher, Chiang Kai-shek. This disastrous policy, concocted by the Stalinists in order to stifle any international workers’ democracy that could seep back into Russia and disturb their rule, resulted in the mass murder of the Chinese workers and communists and the defeat of the Chinese Revolution.

 

The Communist Party never reclaimed its communist origins after this defeat. Even upon seizing control of China following the revolution of 1949, the Stalinist leadership headed by Mao insisted, just as it did in the 1920s, that it was necessary for a coalition with the capitalists to be formed and for capitalism to be developed in China. It was entirely against the intentions of Mao and the degenerated Communist Party that they would abolish the free market after 1949. The Stalinist gang attempted to hand power back to the bourgeoisie with its policy of “New Democracy”, but found that with the collapse of the Chinese bourgeoisie amidst the conflict of WWII, and with the US determined to seize control of China, they were left with no choice but to pick up the reins of the economy themselves.

 

Following the era of Mao, China has long since transitioned back to capitalism, albeit on a far higher industrial level than before 1949, due to the gigantic economic advances made via the planned economy. Accordingly, the “communist” party has strayed even further from its origins. It is now nothing more than an organisation of big business, like the Democratic and Republican parties of the US. It retains its communist name today simply to associate itself with the past glories of 1917 and 1949, which turned China into the powerful nation it is today.

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10/16/10
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But why overthrow the capitalist class before China has fully industrialized? Why not wait like the CCP is doing?

Also, I thought it was permissible to have a state apparatus to manage the transition of the economy to the workers during the dictatorship of the proletariat? Why would you want to revolt against the CCP when they are serving that function?
13 days ago
1/1/01
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Someone please break this down for me 

 

Hong Kong used to be a British colony that followed their laws 

 

then Britain gave it to the Chinese 

 

now China wants to make Hong Kong communist and annex it into their country 

The citizens of that area are now mad 

(Did I get that right)

If the British wouldn’t give up the Faukland islands without going to war, why would they just hand over Hong Kong

 

* I am a former fighter, please make the explanation as simple as possible   

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1/9/02
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Big Wes -

Someone please break this down for me 

 

Hong Kong used to be a British colony that followed their laws 

 

then Britain gave it to the Chinese 

 

now China wants to make Hong Kong communist and annex it into their country 

The citizens of that area are now mad 

(Did I get that right)

If the British wouldn’t give up the Faukland islands without going to war, why would they just hand over Hong Kong

 

* I am a former fighter, please make the explanation as simple as possible   

the falklands are populated by ethnic British, Hong Kong isn't

 

demographics are everything

 

if american ppl dont start having children and raising them with your values nothing else matters

13 days ago
10/16/10
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gregbrady - 
Big Wes -

Someone please break this down for me 

 

Hong Kong used to be a British colony that followed their laws 

 

then Britain gave it to the Chinese 

 

now China wants to make Hong Kong communist and annex it into their country 

The citizens of that area are now mad 

(Did I get that right)

If the British wouldn’t give up the Faukland islands without going to war, why would they just hand over Hong Kong

 

* I am a former fighter, please make the explanation as simple as possible   

the falklands are populated by ethnic British, Hong Kong isn't

 

demographics are everything

 

if american ppl dont start having children and raising them with your values nothing else matters


Also, Britain didn't give HK back to China. They had a 99 year lease that expired in 1997, and as part of the handover, a 50 year grace period was agreed to where China promised to allow HK to maintain their own legal system.

These protests were spurred by an extradition bill that would have allowed China to prosecute HKers on the mainland, a violation of the "one country, two systems" agreement that was supposed to be in place until 2047.
13 days ago
1/1/01
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I would get the fuck out of there 

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2/25/13
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Big Wes -

I would get the fuck out of there 

Totaled up over the years about 15% of the population has left

13 days ago
10/16/10
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Big Wes -

I would get the fuck out of there 

If you want to see something really sad.  These protesters went ahead with their wedding ceremony while facing ten years for "rioting". 

 

 

13 days ago
9/23/07
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Pretty sure Anfifa is flying out from portland to push back the chinese.
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3/11/11
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Stache - But why overthrow the capitalist class before China has fully industrialized? Why not wait like the CCP is doing?

Also, I thought it was permissible to have a state apparatus to manage the transition of the economy to the workers during the dictatorship of the proletariat? Why would you want to revolt against the CCP when they are serving that function?

The state apparatus in China is controlled by capitalists, whose primary objective is to prevent any transition to workers’ power. Under no circumstances whatsoever will the Chinese capitalist class, represented by the CCP, hand power to the Chinese or Hong Kong workers. They would sooner relinquish control of their country to the US military than allow the workers to take power.

 

The dictatorship of the proletariat is just that: a dictatorship of the working class. It is a state restructured in order to serve the interests of workers’ democracy, so that everything is administrated first and foremost by workers, in favour of workers, and at the expense of the enemies of workers, above all, the capitalists. The basic principles of a democratic workers’ state, outlined by Lenin in his text, State and Revolution, expose the diametric antagonism between the workers and the Chinese regime: all officials to be elected, with the right of immediate recall; no official to receive a wage higher than a skilled worker; the abolition of the police and military in favour of a workers’ militia; and the participation of all workers in the running of the state.

 

As far as waiting for the Chinese capitalists to further industrialise the country before overthrowing them, the country has already been massively industrialised amidst the advances of the planned economy under Mao and the boom period since the restoration of capitalism. Besides, the capitalist boom in China has ended and the country is now, along with the rest of the world, staggering towards economic collapse.

 

Furthermore, the policy of endless waiting, of endless subordination of the workers to the capitalists, is exactly the policy that has been put forward again and again and again by Stalinist parties all over the world, to utterly catastrophic consequences. Many of the greatest massacres and defeats of the working class throughout the 20th century, from China in the 1920s, to Indonesia in the 1960s, to the Vietnam War—the list goes on and on—have occurred as a direct result of Stalinist parties seeking to form alliances with the capitalists of their own countries in order to pursue industrialisation, only to immediately be betrayed and eradicated. It is a completely revisionist, anti-Marxist policy that has resulted in disaster every time it’s been tried.

13 days ago
7/13/09
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Brockback Mountain - Pretty sure Anfifa is flying out from portland to push back the chinese.

Antifa would be backing the communists not fighting them.