OtherGround Forums Huge Canadian Political Scandal. Trudeau is Done.

2/8/19 2:23 AM
8/20/03
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Stache - 
Captain Canuck - I’m screenshotting all his posts too date and time and what is being said.

It may be just someone who is fooling around but if it’s the person who is currently at the other end of a certain court case this is pretty damning as they already looking at criminal harassment (stalking) charges.


Lol I figured you were in on it. Now things are getting interesting.

I’m not in on it. I have no clue who it is. But it better not be a certain person. I’ll send this along to the prosecutor in the morning. It’s probably nothing but the person does have a no contact order along with the requirement not to use this forum nor use the internet except for business use. So far these was no concrete proof of harassment with the use of this forum as the medium so no need to request data records but if this is the person who doxxed me, wow, how stupid can you be?
2/8/19 3:29 AM
10/18/14
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the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator

2/8/19 3:35 AM
5/8/16
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Canooke -
BonedByPicograms* - 
Canooke - FRAT version?

Canada thinks they matter.


lol Do you mean, "Canadians think they matter"?

Either way he is right.. I'm born in canada and have zero interest at all what goes on there. What p.m. they have makes zero differnts at all to the world and even in canada, just a group does.not like another group but there all powerless.  They dont even have a president

2/8/19 9:41 AM
1/18/03
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dougie - 

I sure hope not. 

Trudeau seems to have Canada's best interests in mind. 

I wish we could elect him King of Canada. 


Hello Justin.
2/8/19 9:54 AM
8/20/03
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notimportant - 
Captain Canuck -
Stache - 
Captain Canuck - I’m screenshotting all his posts too date and time and what is being said.

It may be just someone who is fooling around but if it’s the person who is currently at the other end of a certain court case this is pretty damning as they already looking at criminal harassment (stalking) charges.


Lol I figured you were in on it. Now things are getting interesting.

I’m not in on it. I have no clue who it is. But it better not be a certain person. I’ll send this along to the prosecutor in the morning. It’s probably nothing but the person does have a no contact order along with the requirement not to use this forum nor use the internet except for business use. So far these was no concrete proof of harassment with the use of this forum as the medium so no need to request data records but if this is the person who doxxed me, wow, how stupid can you be?

Cargo Capri/Pitbull Apologist/Vote Orcus King 2018..or whatever.

 

I think? or something like that... if I had to guess.

 

Could be wrong. Never engaged with that user  but I think that's the profile icon they use.


I think so too.

Sent the info off to the court this morning.

How weird is it that I have to keep an eye on that kind of thing?

I'll be glad when this is settled.
2/8/19 9:55 AM
8/20/03
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rekt - 

the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator


Dougie was a national treasure and cultural gift to the world.

Anyone who impersonates him is akin to someone who would shove the baby jeebus out of the way to buy a slurpee.
2/8/19 9:59 AM
12/22/10
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rekt - 

the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator


My screen name clearly says "dougie" not "Dougie impersonator"

2/8/19 10:08 AM
8/20/03
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dougie - 
rekt - 

the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator


My screen name clearly says "dougie" not "Dougie impersonator"


Well, after a brief e-mail it would seem that at least you're not who I thought you were.

Carry on.
2/8/19 10:30 AM
3/13/18
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I’m so confused. 

2/8/19 11:12 AM
8/20/03
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The_Pundits_Ghost - 

I’m so confused. 


That's how Trudeau gets you.

You're confused.

He comes in acting like a friend.

He shows you some comfort.

Then...BAM!

He f*cks you!

Now what?

You're stuck with him for a bit.

Not sure how to get away.

He seems nice, but every chance he gets...BAM!

He f*cks you!
2/8/19 11:16 AM
6/2/14
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Even more amazing, Trudeau is apparently the love child of Fidel Castro.  Look it up.

2/8/19 11:30 AM
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notimportant - 



This is a pretty accurate depiction.
2/8/19 5:01 PM
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Im surprised nobody talks about some of the monsters he has ties to.  His former college roomate, Christopher Charles Ingvaldson is quite the sick fuck.   http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Former+Vancouver+private+school+teacher+sentenced+child+porn/7798214/story.html

2/8/19 5:13 PM
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There’s a talk radio guy here that’s all over this right now. 

Edited: 2/8/19 5:26 PM
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2/8/19 5:29 PM
1/18/03
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Some more news on this story.

The Canadian Press
Published Friday, February 8, 2019 4:50PM EST
OTTAWA -- The federal director of public prosecutions is officially asking a court to toss out a plea from SNC-Lavalin to spare the company from criminal proceedings.

The director's court filing is the latest twist in a dispute at the heart of high-profile allegations the Prime Minister's Office leaned on former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to intervene on the engineering firm's behalf.

SNC-Lavalin faces legal trouble over allegations it paid millions of dollars in bribes to obtain government business in Libya, which would be a crime under Canadian law.

The company unsuccessfully pressed the director of prosecutions to negotiate a "remediation agreement," a legal means of holding an organization to account for wrongdoing without a formal finding of guilt.

The director told SNC-Lavalin in October that negotiating a remediation agreement would be inappropriate in this particular case, prompting the company to ask the Federal Court for an order requiring negotiations.

The Globe and Mail newspaper reported Thursday that SNC-Lavalin repeatedly lobbied Trudeau's aides for a remediation deal and that his office pressed Wilson-Raybould to make it happen, bumping her from the attorney general's post after she refused.
2/9/19 9:42 AM
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Senior government officials confirmed to The Globe and Mail on Friday that discussions were held with Jody Wilson-Raybould when she was justice minister and attorney-general on options in the case of SNC-Lavalin Group Inc., including shelving a corruption and fraud prosecution to help workers who could be affected if the company were convicted.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters on Thursday he did not direct Ms. Wilson-Raybould to abandon criminal proceedings against SNC-Lavalin, but refused to say whether his office pressed her to do so.

The officials, who were granted anonymity by The Globe because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said Canadians should not conflate or confuse a “vigorous debate” in the Prime Minister’s Office or among the PMO and members of cabinet over how to handle SNC-Lavalin’s charges with an effort to put pressure on Ms. Wilson-Raybould.

A robust discussion is not pressure, one official said. Another official said the PMO had every right to raise the prosecution case with the justice minister, because a conviction could destroy the company and hurt thousands of workers at SNC-Lavalin.

An official said, however, that setting aside SNC-Lavalin’s prosecution was merely one option discussed to help the company and its workers, and that no decision was made.

Opposition parties and a former judge are calling for a probe after The Globe reported on Thursday that Ms. Wilson-Raybould was unwilling to direct the Public Prosecution Service of Canada in the fall of 2018 to waive court proceedings against the Montreal engineering and construction giant in favour of a negotiated settlement without trial.

Ms. Wilson-Raybould, who was demoted to the post of Veterans Affairs Minister in January, has refused to answer questions in the House of Commons about the allegations, and largely avoided speaking to reporters other than to tell The Globe on Tuesday that discussions of a plea deal were “legal advice between me and the government.”

On Friday, she issued a statement explaining her silence on the matter, which has dominated the federal political debate since Thursday.

“As the former minister of justice and attorney-general of Canada, I am bound by solicitor-client privilege in this matter,” she said.

The PMO declined to say whether it would waive solicitor-client privilege in this case.

Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond, a former Saskatchewan judge who teaches at the University of British Columbia’s Allard School of Law, said solicitor-client privilege should not be used to conceal possible wrongdoing.

“Not waiving the privilege seems to me to be a way of saying, ‘We are not going to allow anyone to see what happened here,’” she said in an interview.

She called for an independent investigation by the RCMP, the federal Ethics Commissioner, a Commons committee or an independent judge or investigator. The potential wrongdoing, she said, includes questions of criminality such as obstruction of justice.

“The concern is whether or not there was inappropriate influence on a minister of justice in relation to a specific prosecution. Prosecutors are at arm’s length. There are long-standing constitutional principles and legislation to address that.”

The public’s faith in the justice system relies on such independence, she said.

“Of course, in our society, powerful influences can commandeer political processes for their own purposes,” she said. “We all know that. Consequently, the rule of law is a critical principle; nobody is above it. Nobody gets a special deal.”

SNC-Lavalin has sought to avoid a criminal trial on fraud and corruption charges stemming from an RCMP investigation into its business dealings in Libya. It has been hoping to strike a remediation agreement – a deal in which criminal prosecution is set aside and a company accepts responsibility for wrongdoing, pays a financial penalty, relinquishes benefits gained from the wrongdoing and improves its corporate compliance rules....
2/9/19 9:43 AM
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...continued

Official Opposition Leader Andrew Scheer announced on Friday that Conservative and New Democratic MPs on the Commons Justice committee are calling for urgent hearings on the matter and will request nine high-ranking government officials to testify, including Ms. Wilson-Raybould and Mr. Trudeau’s principal secretary, Gerald Butts.

Kathleen Roussel, the director of the public prosecution service, told SNC-Lavalin on Oct. 10 that it would not be asked to negotiate a remediation agreement. Nine days later, the company filed for a judicial review of that decision.

A senior government official said that after Ms. Roussel’s decision, a debate ensued at senior levels of the government over Ottawa’s options now that the director appeared intent on heading to trial.

The federal attorney-general is allowed to issue a directive to the director of public prosecutions regarding a specific case. The government official noted that 2015 Open and Accountable guidelines set for the government say “it is appropriate for the attorney-general to consult with cabinet colleagues before exercising his or her powers … in order to fully assess the public policy considerations relevant to specific prosecutorial decisions.”

In December, Mr. Butts spoke to Ms. Wilson-Raybould about the SNC-Lavalin remediation case, according to Mr. Trudeau’s deputy communications director, Cameron Ahmad. He said the justice minister raised the matter with Mr. Butts and he told her to talk to Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick, the top federal civil servant.

When she was shuffled to Veterans Affairs, Ms. Wilson-Raybould released a statement saying the justice system must be “free from even the perception of political interference.” It was an unusual move for a member of cabinet.

“Gerald Butts is the boss at the PMO,” Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre told the Commons Questions Period on Friday. “The Prime Minister has told his caucus anything that comes from Gerald Butts comes from the Prime Minister. In December, Mr. Butts talked about SNC-Lavalin’s charges with the former attorney-general. What exactly did Gerald Butts say to the former attorney-general in that December conversation?”

The opposition parties also want to hear from Ms. Roussel, Mr. Wernick, Justice Minister David Lametti, Mr. Trudeau’s chief of staff Katie Telford, Quebec adviser Mathieu Bouchard and senior adviser Elder Marques, and Jessica Prince, chief of staff to the Minister of Veterans Affairs.

SNC-Lavalin lobbied federal officials more than 50 times on the topic of “justice” and “law enforcement” since 2017, according to the federal lobbyists registry. This includes 14 visits with people in the PMO. Those they spoke to included Mr. Butts and Mr. Bouchard – whom they met 12 times – and Mr. Marques.

Mr. Ahmad, speaking for the PMO, would not say whether Mr. Bouchard or Mr. Marques spoke to Ms. Wilson-Raybould about the SNC-Lavalin prosecution.

“I don’t think we will be speaking about meetings that staff had. We won’t go into any further details,” Mr. Ahmad said.

Mr. Scheer said he hopes the Liberal majority on the Commons justice committee will vote with the opposition to allow Mr. Trudeau’s key lieutenants and Ms. Wilson-Raybould to testify. A committee vote on holding a hearing is expected next week.

“If the Prime Minister has nothing to hide, then members of his government should have no reason to oppose these officials from testifying, Mr. Scheer said. “Members of Parliament, and all other relevant authorities, have a responsibility to determine what happened here, and both Trudeau and his officials must be forthcoming. We believe this committee investigation is a necessary first step.”

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, campaigning in British Columbia, called for probe by federal Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion.

“Canadians deserve a government that is on their side, not on the side of a massive multinational corporation with deep ties to the Liberal Party,” Mr. Singh said. “If the Prime Minister truly believes there is no wrongdoing here, he should invite the Ethics Commissioner to investigate his office’s dealings with SNC-Lavalin and whether or not that was a factor in the removal of Ms. Wilson-Raybould from her position as attorney-general.”

On Thursday, Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s father, Bill Wilson, posted a tribute to his daughter on his Facebook page.

“Wish that I could protect my daughter, JODY, in this coming storm, but then I remembered that she is more than able to defend herself,” wrote Mr. Wilson, a hereditary B.C. chief. “History will prove that she did the right thing. – Her DEMOTION makes sense now, UGLY POLITICAL SENSE”

He lauded his daughter. “Good for you JODY !! – MUM would be proud of you
2/9/19 9:50 AM
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Frat version of the latest article.

Prime Ministers Office admits it talked to Jody Wilson Raybould about dropping charges against SNC Lavalin in order to help workers in Quebec.

Jody Wilson Raybould is saying she cant speak to the issue because communications between the Justice Minister and PMO are privileged legal discussions.

Opposition politicians are losing their shit.
2/9/19 9:53 AM
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PMO is entitled to waive privilege, if they so choose. That would give Raybould freedom to speak to the issue. Will never happen.
2/9/19 10:07 AM
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The federal attorney-general is allowed to issue a directive to the director of public prosecutions regarding a specific case. The government official noted that 2015 Open and Accountable guidelines set for the government say “it is appropriate for the attorney-general to consult with cabinet colleagues before exercising his or her powers … in order to fully assess the public policy considerations relevant to specific prosecutorial decisions.”
 

2/9/19 10:20 AM
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Captain Canuck -
dougie - 
rekt - 

the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator


My screen name clearly says "dougie" not "Dougie impersonator"


Well, after a brief e-mail it would seem that at least you're not who I thought you were.

Carry on.

Yes!!  We’re gonna get more of the new Dougie!

2/9/19 10:47 AM
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The_Pundits_Ghost - 


The federal attorney-general is allowed to issue a directive to the director of public prosecutions regarding a specific case. The government official noted that 2015 Open and Accountable guidelines set for the government say “it is appropriate for the attorney-general to consult with cabinet colleagues before exercising his or her powers … in order to fully assess the public policy considerations relevant to specific prosecutorial decisions.”
 


The executive branch cannot pressure the judiciary to drop an investigation or issue a lenient decision.

Do you really want corporations to be exempt from bribery laws?
2/9/19 11:48 AM
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Canooke -
Captain Canuck -
dougie - 
rekt - 

the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator


My screen name clearly says "dougie" not "Dougie impersonator"


Well, after a brief e-mail it would seem that at least you're not who I thought you were.

Carry on.

Yes!!  We’re gonna get more of the new Dougie!

2/9/19 11:56 AM
1/1/01
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effinggoof - For those who dont want to read that huge Globe and Mail article, here is the short version.

Canadian Prime Ministers Office, acting on behalf of a huge construction company with deep political ties tried to get the Canadian Justice Minister to drop criminal charges against the company.

She refused, then got transferred to a diffrent, less important job.

thank you. i'm canadian and even i had to frat that.