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5/29/19 12:50 PM
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Today they have decided enough evidence to proceed with criminal trials on SNC?


Good. Hopefully we get to see the evidence now.

https://trib.al/cAPieAC

5/29/19 1:31 PM
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Today they have decided enough evidence to proceed with criminal trials on SNC?


Good. Hopefully we get to see the evidence now.

https://trib.al/cAPieAC


"The evidence is under a publication ban."

Go figure. lol
5/31/19 12:26 AM
1/18/03
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Most of JWR's riding association quits the Liberals to work for her independent campaign.
Most members of the Liberal electoral district association in Jody Wilson-Raybould's Vancouver-Granville riding have quit in light of the former cabinet minister's decision to run for re-election this fall as an independent.

Claire Marshall, the outgoing chair of the riding association, confirmed the exits Thursday, saying that nine of 15 members of the board – herself included – have quit effective this week.

"We began to see our position as increasingly difficult and, in many cases, untenable," Ms. Marshall said in an interview.

"The energy and enthusiasm necessary to continue in our roles, to conduct candidate searches, simply wasn't there to run a campaign against Jody," Ms. Marshall said. "We've built a good relationship with her; she has been so great to work with. We still support her."

The exits come ahead of an election expected in October in which the Liberals were hoping to hold the riding of Vancouver-Granville, which Ms. Wilson-Raybould won with about 44 per cent of the vote in the 2015 election.

The NDP and Conservatives finished with 27 per cent and 26 per cent, respectively, in the first election in the newly created riding.

On Thursday, the federal Liberals acknowledged the exits

"I want to thank all Liberal volunteers in Vancouver-Granville for their contributions to our party, and specifically the volunteers who have served on its local EDA executive," Gabe Garfinkel, director of the federal Liberal Party in British Columbia, said in a statement.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...t-liberals-to/
5/31/19 12:34 AM
4/6/19
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effinggoof - Most of JWR's riding association quits the Liberals to work for her independent campaign.
Most members of the Liberal electoral district association in Jody Wilson-Raybould's Vancouver-Granville riding have quit in light of the former cabinet minister's decision to run for re-election this fall as an independent.

Claire Marshall, the outgoing chair of the riding association, confirmed the exits Thursday, saying that nine of 15 members of the board – herself included – have quit effective this week.

"We began to see our position as increasingly difficult and, in many cases, untenable," Ms. Marshall said in an interview.

"The energy and enthusiasm necessary to continue in our roles, to conduct candidate searches, simply wasn't there to run a campaign against Jody," Ms. Marshall said. "We've built a good relationship with her; she has been so great to work with. We still support her."

The exits come ahead of an election expected in October in which the Liberals were hoping to hold the riding of Vancouver-Granville, which Ms. Wilson-Raybould won with about 44 per cent of the vote in the 2015 election.

The NDP and Conservatives finished with 27 per cent and 26 per cent, respectively, in the first election in the newly created riding.

On Thursday, the federal Liberals acknowledged the exits

"I want to thank all Liberal volunteers in Vancouver-Granville for their contributions to our party, and specifically the volunteers who have served on its local EDA executive," Gabe Garfinkel, director of the federal Liberal Party in British Columbia, said in a statement.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...t-liberals-to/

the thing about JWR is she supported some completely unacceptable legislation prior to her stand against the SNC bullshit that redeemed her reputation

 

https://openparliament.ca/debates/2018/12/6/jody-wilson-raybould-2/only/

 

In Bill C-46, we significantly modernized Canada's impaired driving laws in order to protect the health and safety of Canadians and to provide law enforcement with the resources they need to effectively detect and prosecute impaired driving.

 

 

... this has the following
 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/canadians-could-now-be-charged-with-drunk-driving-even-if-not-drunk-lawyers-warn-1.4975008

 

Canadians could now face criminal charges for driving with illegal amounts of alcohol in their system, even if they were stone cold sober while behind the wheel, under tough new impaired driving laws passed by Parliament, according to criminal defence lawyers.

...

But while the government says that's not the intent of the law, even drinking within two hours after you've stopped driving or boating could now get you arrested, if your BAC rises over .08

...

According to several lawyers canvassed by CBC News, police can come to your home up to two hours after you stopped driving or boating to test your sobriety.

...

Potentially complicating matters is the fact the charge is considered a "reverse onus" in legal terms. Essentially, that means police don't have to prove your BAC was over the limit when you were driving, or boating two hours earlier.

It's now up to you to prove you were sober.

 

... and led to this situation

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/5326941/nanaimo-woman-wins-court-challenge-breathalyzer/

 

A Nanaimo woman says her rights have been violated because of new federal drunk driving provisions.

Lee Lowrie says she was recently at her sister’s home in Maple Ridge when she received a call from the RCMP stating they had a very personal issue they needed to speak to her directly about.

Lowrie and her boyfriend had travelled to Maple Ridge en route to pick up his children in Williams Lake. On the way to her sister’s house, the group stopped at the local pub for lunch. They each had one cocktail with the meal and headed home.

When they arrived home they sat by the pool and had a few beers, without any plans to leave the house that day. The police arrived at the home about two hours after they got home.

Under the federal government’s roadside provision, police are legally allowed to request a breathalyzer without any signs of impairment. The test can be requested within two hours of a driver being on the road, even after someone has returned home and had alcohol to drink.

Lowrie failed the breathalyzer test even after explaining to the RCMP that she had been drinking for a couple hours.

“The RCMP were not willing to let me prove the amount of alcohol I had consumed [at] home. I even invited them in to see the empties,” Lowrie said.

“It was like living in a communist country with no rights. Truly I felt violated.”

Lowrie was issued a 90-day licence suspension and 30-day vehicle impoundment. She was also required to take a driving course. On top of that she had to figure out how to get home to Nanaimo and her boyfriend’s kids were stuck in Williams Lake.

 

 

 

... so yeah. I don't know if I'll vote for JWR

 

 

 

 

3 days ago
1/18/03
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Toronto Sun report from today, where the Ethics Comissioner finds Trudeau personaly broke the law.




The report is nothing short of scathing against the prime minister.

Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion not only found that Justin Trudeau violated the Conflict of Interest Act, but also blasted the PM's department for refusing to release key documents needed for his investigation of the SNC-Lavalin affair.

Even without key documents, Dion found that Trudeau violated Section 9 of the act when he pressured then attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to give SNC-Lavalin a sweetheart deal to avoid prosecution on bribery and corruption charges.

"The prime minister, directly and through his senior officials, used various means to exert influence over Ms. Wilson?Raybould," Dion wrote in his report.

"The authority of the prime minister and his office was used to circumvent, undermine and ultimately attempt to discredit the decision of the Director of Public Prosecutions as well as the authority of Ms. Wilson?Raybould as the Crown's chief law officer."


In Dion's view, the actions of the PM and those following his orders were well outside what the Liberals claimed as their defence -- the parliamentary principle of the Shawcross doctrine. Under Shawcross, an attorney general can consult cabinet on decisions of prosecuting cases but is not obliged to. The doctrine also says cabinet colleagues cannot pressure the attorney general.

Dion found that after examining the principle of the Shawcross doctrine, reading court decisions on the matter and examining the facts of this case, the defence put forward by Trudeau and his team did not hold.

"These actions were tantamount to political direction," Dion wrote of Trudeau's attempt to get Wilson-Raybould to change her mind and drop prosecution.

With his findings, Dion has said that Trudeau is guilty of improperly furthering "another person's private interests." Those private interests are those of SNC-Lavalin itself.

The company had lobbied the government hard over several years to avoid prosecution on bribery and corruption charges dating back to the early 2000s. According to charges laid after an extensive RCMP investigation, the company paid bribes totalling as much as $48 million to the regime of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

If found guilty of the charges, the company would face a ban on bidding for federally funded projects for 10 years. The company already faces bans from the World Bank over a different corruption investigation.


Several former executives of SNC-Lavalin have also pleaded guilty in corruption cases in this country including bribes offered for a hospital contract and illegal donations to political parties -- including more than $100,000 donated to various Liberal candidates or associations.

In his own personal attempt to convince Wilson-Raybould to interfere and stop the prosecution, Trudeau raised his own political fortunes, the Quebec election and the potential loss of jobs at SNC-Lavalin. His then top adviser, former Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick, also called Wilson-Raybould and raised many of these same issues, even asking her to take over the prosecution herself.

"I find all of these tactics troubling," Dion wrote.

In addition to finding the PM in violation of the Conflict of Interest Act, Dion also blasted the PM and the Privy Council Office for refusing to allow key access to certain documents needed for the investigation and for not allowing witnesses to speak to everything they knew.

"Because of the decision to deny our office further access to cabinet confidences, witnesses were constrained in their ability to provide all evidence. I was, therefore, prevented from looking over the entire body of evidence," Dion wrote.

The refusal to allow the ethics commissioner full access to details of what happened mirror the actions of Liberal MPs. The Liberals used their majorities on House of Commons committees to block attempts by the opposition to get to the bottom of the SNC-Lavalin affair.

The report takes accusations that Trudeau acted improperly out of the realm of political speculation. An officer of Parliament has found that not only did Trudeau act improperly, he broke the law.

blilley@postmedia.com

READ THE REPORT

Trudeau II Report by CynthiaMcLeodSun on Scribd


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8/28/17
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Nothing will happen to him though, guilty of being unethical lol

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3/16/11
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effinggoof - Toronto Sun report from today, where the Ethics Comissioner finds Trudeau personaly broke the law.




The report is nothing short of scathing against the prime minister.

Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion not only found that Justin Trudeau violated the Conflict of Interest Act, but also blasted the PM's department for refusing to release key documents needed for his investigation of the SNC-Lavalin affair.

Even without key documents, Dion found that Trudeau violated Section 9 of the act when he pressured then attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to give SNC-Lavalin a sweetheart deal to avoid prosecution on bribery and corruption charges.

"The prime minister, directly and through his senior officials, used various means to exert influence over Ms. Wilson?Raybould," Dion wrote in his report.

"The authority of the prime minister and his office was used to circumvent, undermine and ultimately attempt to discredit the decision of the Director of Public Prosecutions as well as the authority of Ms. Wilson?Raybould as the Crown's chief law officer."


In Dion's view, the actions of the PM and those following his orders were well outside what the Liberals claimed as their defence -- the parliamentary principle of the Shawcross doctrine. Under Shawcross, an attorney general can consult cabinet on decisions of prosecuting cases but is not obliged to. The doctrine also says cabinet colleagues cannot pressure the attorney general.

Dion found that after examining the principle of the Shawcross doctrine, reading court decisions on the matter and examining the facts of this case, the defence put forward by Trudeau and his team did not hold.

"These actions were tantamount to political direction," Dion wrote of Trudeau's attempt to get Wilson-Raybould to change her mind and drop prosecution.

With his findings, Dion has said that Trudeau is guilty of improperly furthering "another person's private interests." Those private interests are those of SNC-Lavalin itself.

The company had lobbied the government hard over several years to avoid prosecution on bribery and corruption charges dating back to the early 2000s. According to charges laid after an extensive RCMP investigation, the company paid bribes totalling as much as $48 million to the regime of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

If found guilty of the charges, the company would face a ban on bidding for federally funded projects for 10 years. The company already faces bans from the World Bank over a different corruption investigation.


Several former executives of SNC-Lavalin have also pleaded guilty in corruption cases in this country including bribes offered for a hospital contract and illegal donations to political parties -- including more than $100,000 donated to various Liberal candidates or associations.

In his own personal attempt to convince Wilson-Raybould to interfere and stop the prosecution, Trudeau raised his own political fortunes, the Quebec election and the potential loss of jobs at SNC-Lavalin. His then top adviser, former Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick, also called Wilson-Raybould and raised many of these same issues, even asking her to take over the prosecution herself.

"I find all of these tactics troubling," Dion wrote.

In addition to finding the PM in violation of the Conflict of Interest Act, Dion also blasted the PM and the Privy Council Office for refusing to allow key access to certain documents needed for the investigation and for not allowing witnesses to speak to everything they knew.

"Because of the decision to deny our office further access to cabinet confidences, witnesses were constrained in their ability to provide all evidence. I was, therefore, prevented from looking over the entire body of evidence," Dion wrote.

The refusal to allow the ethics commissioner full access to details of what happened mirror the actions of Liberal MPs. The Liberals used their majorities on House of Commons committees to block attempts by the opposition to get to the bottom of the SNC-Lavalin affair.

The report takes accusations that Trudeau acted improperly out of the realm of political speculation. An officer of Parliament has found that not only did Trudeau act improperly, he broke the law.

blilley@postmedia.com

READ THE REPORT

Trudeau II Report by CynthiaMcLeodSun on Scribd


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Lock her up! Lock her up! 

3 days ago
11/8/09
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TOTALLY not a corporate shill. 

3 days ago
1/1/01
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What's the punishment for contravening the Conflict of Interest Act? I tried reading the administration and enforcement section @ https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-36.65/page-6.html#h-92396 but I really can't see what the penalty is.

3 days ago
10/16/10
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First PM to be found guilty of an ethics violation and now he's done it twice in one term.
3 days ago
1/18/03
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Fuck...so I am working my way through the Ethics Comissioner report and so far its amazing how shady this is.

Bill Morneau, Canadas Finance Minister had a in person meeting with the head of SNC Lavalin where they tried to work out the whole deferred prosecution agreement thing.


This is paragraph 36, page 8 of the report...

[36] Following the consultations, documents submitted by SNC-Lavalin showed that the
company's representatives continued to advocate for the adoption of a remediation agreement
regime. The Minister of Finance, the Honourable Bill Morneau, met with Mr. Neil Bruce, CEO of
SNC-Lavalin, on January 23, 2018, while in Davos, Switzerland, during the World Economic Forum
Annual Meeting. According to SNC-Lavalin, during their meeting, which had been requested by SNC-
Lavalin representatives, Mr. Bruce updated Mr. Morneau and his Director of Policy, Mr. Justin To, on
the company's challenges, opportunities and strategies for growth.

Fucking crooks.
3 days ago
1/1/01
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effinggoof - Fuck...so I am working my way through the Ethics Comissioner report and so far its amazing how shady this is.

Bill Morneau, Canadas Finance Minister had a in person meeting with the head of SNC Lavalin where they tried to work out the whole deferred prosecution agreement thing.


This is paragraph 36, page 8 of the report...

[36] Following the consultations, documents submitted by SNC-Lavalin showed that the
company's representatives continued to advocate for the adoption of a remediation agreement
regime. The Minister of Finance, the Honourable Bill Morneau, met with Mr. Neil Bruce, CEO of
SNC-Lavalin, on January 23, 2018, while in Davos, Switzerland, during the World Economic Forum
Annual Meeting. According to SNC-Lavalin, during their meeting, which had been requested by SNC-
Lavalin representatives, Mr. Bruce updated Mr. Morneau and his Director of Policy, Mr. Justin To, on
the company's challenges, opportunities and strategies for growth.

Fucking crooks.

I’m against how Trudeau interfered but there isn’t anything shady in that paragraph. They did try to create a new law in the deferred prosecution agreement which is in their right. But they totally fucked up the requirements that it would require and they essentially excluded themselves from being eligible for it. More like incompetence. Trudeau trying to get SNC a free pass beyond this agreement ie. law, was what was shady. 

3 days ago
10/16/10
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Not surprising about Morneau. Same guy that sponsored the pension reform bill C27 while his family owned shares in a Morneau Shepell, the pension administration company that would have benefited.

His tax reform package also coincidentally avoided going after family trusts, which would have targeted his and Trudeau's family wealth.
3 days ago
1/18/03
Posts: 17746
Milachku - 
effinggoof - Fuck...so I am working my way through the Ethics Comissioner report and so far its amazing how shady this is.

Bill Morneau, Canadas Finance Minister had a in person meeting with the head of SNC Lavalin where they tried to work out the whole deferred prosecution agreement thing.


This is paragraph 36, page 8 of the report...

[36] Following the consultations, documents submitted by SNC-Lavalin showed that the
company's representatives continued to advocate for the adoption of a remediation agreement
regime. The Minister of Finance, the Honourable Bill Morneau, met with Mr. Neil Bruce, CEO of
SNC-Lavalin, on January 23, 2018, while in Davos, Switzerland, during the World Economic Forum
Annual Meeting. According to SNC-Lavalin, during their meeting, which had been requested by SNC-
Lavalin representatives, Mr. Bruce updated Mr. Morneau and his Director of Policy, Mr. Justin To, on
the company's challenges, opportunities and strategies for growth.

Fucking crooks.

I’m against how Trudeau interfered but there isn’t anything shady in that paragraph. They did try to create a new law in the deferred prosecution agreement which is in their right. But they totally fucked up the requirements that it would require and they essentially excluded themselves from being eligible for it. More like incompetence. Trudeau trying to get SNC a free pass beyond this agreement ie. law, was what was shady. 


If anything screams Laurentian Elites, its Bill Morneau travelling to Switzerland for the WEC, but still having time to have a private sit down with the head of big Liberal donor SEC Lavalin to get the Finance Minister in on what is not a finance issue, but a legal issue.

Morneau and his Policy Advisor Justin To should never have been involved in this, neither should the PM and PMO....but SNC Lavalin has that kind of access.

Thats shady as fuck.
2 days ago
8/20/03
Posts: 145760

LOL!

The first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking ethics laws...TWICE!

What an @$$clown!

2 days ago
3/2/11
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"I won't apologize for defending Canadian jobs"

 

Fucking assclown wants to hide behind the flag he thinks stands for oppression when it suits him.

 

He is a boil on the ass of Canadian history.

2 days ago
10/16/10
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Mulcair on SNC-Lavalin scandal: 'This is banana republic behaviour' 

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3/16/10
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ChaosOverkill -

"I won't apologize for defending Canadian jobs"

 

Fucking assclown wants to hide behind the flag he thinks stands for oppression when it suits him.

 

He is a boil on the ass of Canadian history.

Yet he apologizes for every other thing known to man.

 

 

Fuckin guy needs to go. 

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3/16/11
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ChaosOverkill -

"I won't apologize for defending Canadian jobs"

 

Fucking assclown wants to hide behind the flag he thinks stands for oppression when it suits him.

 

He is a boil on the ass of Canadian history.

Ha ha, yup. He should have said "I wont apologize for defending non-descript post-national global labour contributions."

 

1 day ago
8/20/03
Posts: 145808

This will haunt him right into the election.

It will be a huge talking point for him to have to deal with again, and again, and again...

Along with his fiscial mismanagment, the #metoo flip flop, the silencing of women who stand up to him, blah blah blah....wow...

1 day ago
8/12/16
Posts: 8315
Captain Canuck -

This will haunt him right into the election.

It will be a huge talking point for him to have to deal with again, and again, and again...

Along with his fiscial mismanagment, the #metoo flip flop, the silencing of women who stand up to him, blah blah blah....wow...

Will not affect the votes of lefties though in any meaningful way.

But hopefully will push "Moderates" to vote against the Libs.

1 day ago
8/20/03
Posts: 145827
Dashabox - 
Captain Canuck -

This will haunt him right into the election.

It will be a huge talking point for him to have to deal with again, and again, and again...

Along with his fiscial mismanagment, the #metoo flip flop, the silencing of women who stand up to him, blah blah blah....wow...

Will not affect the votes of lefties though in any meaningful way.

But hopefully will push "Moderates" to vote against the Libs.


Agreed.

Those that are die hard Liberal voters won't change their vote.

It's the people who are unsure who will really be swayed by this.

Trudeau though will double down and push through this like it means nothing. He honestly doesn't feel like anything applies to him and he can do what he wants.

This is a field day for the other parties.

Anyone who was unsure of the Libs will go elsewhere.

The Cons will pick up people who want their vote to count.

The NDP and Green will get people who don't want the Cons but can't vote Liberal.

The Bloc in quebec will pick up those Liberals who flee the party and those who may have voted liberal casually.