OtherGround Forums Huge Canadian Political Scandal. Trudeau is Done.

2/11/19 2:52 PM
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i doubt anything comes of it. not a JT fan, but can't see this sticking.
2/11/19 3:10 PM
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The_Pundits_Ghost -

I’d think much worse was done than this. He is entitled to shuffle people all he wants. 

It is greasy, but not as greasy as all politicians already are and just waiting to get caught for 

This. Doesn't sound like some political decimation.

2/11/19 3:33 PM
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He's already had a run in with the ethics commission and it has no teeth. Trudeau is so fucking blind to the optics, it's like they've not learned from the sponsorship scandal that got us ten years of Harper... My Liberal MP is backing the calls to investigate this so he's probably going to get booted from the party soon.

2/11/19 5:52 PM
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Canooke -
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the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator


My screen name clearly says "dougie" not "Dougie impersonator"


Well, after a brief e-mail it would seem that at least you're not who I thought you were.

Carry on.

Yes!!  We’re gonna get more of the new Dougie!


...why do you hate freedom and america?

Are you kidding?? I LOVE freedom and America!

I just don't love it quite as much as the new Dougie.

I love you, too. 

2/11/19 7:30 PM
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Is this snc lavalin one of Turds terrorist buddies owned companies that is front for them to launder money or fund their bomb making or what.

2/11/19 10:53 PM
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Transporter - 

Is this snc lavalin one of Turds terrorist buddies owned companies that is front for them to launder money or fund their bomb making or what.


Its an engineering and construction firm that gives lots of money to politicians, particularly the Liberals.
2/11/19 11:49 PM
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There's a layer to all of this that hasn't come out publicly yet.

I have a feeling this whole ordeal might die a quiet death.

2/11/19 11:52 PM
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dougie - 
Canooke -
Captain Canuck - 
Canooke - 
Captain Canuck -
dougie - 
rekt - 

the fuck is going on

 

this thread is now about the Dougie impersonator


My screen name clearly says "dougie" not "Dougie impersonator"


Well, after a brief e-mail it would seem that at least you're not who I thought you were.

Carry on.

Yes!!  We’re gonna get more of the new Dougie!


...why do you hate freedom and america?

Are you kidding?? I LOVE freedom and America!

I just don't love it quite as much as the new Dougie.

I love you, too. 


**smh**
2/12/19 12:27 PM
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Wilson-Raybould just resigned from cabinet. 

2/12/19 12:31 PM
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...f-snc-lavalin/

Wilson-Raybould resigns from Trudeau cabinet in wake of SNC-Lavalin claims

Jody Wilson-Raybould has submitted her resignation from the Trudeau cabinet in the midst of allegations that the Prime MInister’s Office tried to pressure the former justice minister to abandon a corruption and fraud prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, sources say.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called an emergency cabinet committee meeting to deal with the fallout.

A statement from her was released around 11:30 a.m. ET.

A source close to the B.C. politician said this was a really awful day for the minister and for her supporters who consider her to be a person of high integrity.

Her departure comes one day after Mr. Trudeau said Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s continued membership in his cabinet as an indicator to Canadians that she is not unhappy with his government.

"Her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself," the prime minister had said Monday.

The Globe and Mail reported last week that as attorney general, Ms. Wilson-Raybould came under pressure from the Prime Minister’s Office to override the decision of the public prosecution service shelve court proceedings against SNC-Lavalin in favour of a negotiated settlement without trial. The company faces charges of bribing Libyan officials between 2001 and 2011 in exchange for contracts.
2/12/19 12:36 PM
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His Umm's per minute is around 50. Wonder what the over / under will be when he makes a public announcement regarding this fiasco?

 

2/12/19 12:47 PM
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...f-snc-lavalin/

Wilson-Raybould resigns from Trudeau cabinet in wake of SNC-Lavalin claims

Jody Wilson-Raybould has submitted her resignation from the Trudeau cabinet in the midst of allegations that the Prime MInister’s Office tried to pressure the former justice minister to abandon a corruption and fraud prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, sources say.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called an emergency cabinet committee meeting to deal with the fallout.

A statement from her was released around 11:30 a.m. ET.

A source close to the B.C. politician said this was a really awful day for the minister and for her supporters who consider her to be a person of high integrity.

Her departure comes one day after Mr. Trudeau said Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s continued membership in his cabinet as an indicator to Canadians that she is not unhappy with his government.

"Her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself," the prime minister had said Monday.

The Globe and Mail reported last week that as attorney general, Ms. Wilson-Raybould came under pressure from the Prime Minister’s Office to override the decision of the public prosecution service shelve court proceedings against SNC-Lavalin in favour of a negotiated settlement without trial. The company faces charges of bribing Libyan officials between 2001 and 2011 in exchange for contracts.

"Her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself," the prime minister had said Monday.


This will be like Trudeau's "zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well" statement. If it were a conservative PM saying either of these, CBC and other media outlets would be running it 24/7 until he resigned but just like his #metoo scandal, it will be covered for a few days and then the focus will pivot back to the latest Trump outrage or some other irrelevant story to take the heat off.
2/12/19 12:55 PM
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In her resignation letter, posted on her twitter page she states that she has hired a lawyer to advise here on what she can and cant say.

Stay tuned...

2/12/19 1:03 PM
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effinggoof - In her resignation letter, posted on her twitter page she states that she has hired a lawyer to advise here on what she can and cant say.

Stay tuned...


Thomas Cromwell, a former justice of the Supreme Court of Canada....
2/12/19 2:05 PM
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...f-snc-lavalin/

Wilson-Raybould resigns from Trudeau cabinet in wake of SNC-Lavalin claims

Jody Wilson-Raybould has submitted her resignation from the Trudeau cabinet in the midst of allegations that the Prime MInister’s Office tried to pressure the former justice minister to abandon a corruption and fraud prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, sources say.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called an emergency cabinet committee meeting to deal with the fallout.

A statement from her was released around 11:30 a.m. ET.

A source close to the B.C. politician said this was a really awful day for the minister and for her supporters who consider her to be a person of high integrity.

Her departure comes one day after Mr. Trudeau said Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s continued membership in his cabinet as an indicator to Canadians that she is not unhappy with his government.

"Her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself," the prime minister had said Monday.

The Globe and Mail reported last week that as attorney general, Ms. Wilson-Raybould came under pressure from the Prime Minister’s Office to override the decision of the public prosecution service shelve court proceedings against SNC-Lavalin in favour of a negotiated settlement without trial. The company faces charges of bribing Libyan officials between 2001 and 2011 in exchange for contracts.

"Her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself," the prime minister had said Monday.


This will be like Trudeau's "zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well" statement. If it were a conservative PM saying either of these, CBC and other media outlets would be running it 24/7 until he resigned but just like his #metoo scandal, it will be covered for a few days and then the focus will pivot back to the latest Trump outrage or some other irrelevant story to take the heat off.

He's like teflon!
2/13/19 10:08 AM
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The_Pundits_Ghost - 

TDS

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, IMO


you should probably read up on this scandal.  Its a real thing.  Its not Russia BS

2/13/19 11:26 AM
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The_Pundits_Ghost - 

TDS

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, IMO


you should probably read up on this scandal.  Its a real thing.  Its not Russia BS

Any day now 


that literally doesnt mean anything or make sense at all 

2/13/19 11:42 AM
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BigEyedFish - 
The_Pundits_Ghost - 
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The_Pundits_Ghost - 

TDS

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, IMO


you should probably read up on this scandal.  Its a real thing.  Its not Russia BS

Any day now 


that literally doesnt mean anything or make sense at all 


the idiots on the left can't think for themselves so they repeat the things said to them. NPC is such a perfect term.
2/13/19 11:44 AM
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its astounding how accurate it is 

2/13/19 1:57 PM
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The_Pundits_Ghost - 
BigEyedFish -
The_Pundits_Ghost - 

TDS

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome, IMO


you should probably read up on this scandal.  Its a real thing.  Its not Russia BS

Any day now 


You were saying?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-faces-critics-inside-and-outside-party-as-wilson-raybould-scandal-swirls-1.4295283?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3Actvnews%3Apost&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c6467561adf6400018ba8e6&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0PEg43Sp7TbWk3XdHGNblM1XLStjo-dEbbdPX5SbaUJY8xhW7CoYf6amA

Trudeau faces critics inside and outside party as Wilson-Raybould scandal swirls

The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:30AM EST
OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is facing a backlash both within and outside his own party after Jody Wilson-Raybould's sudden resignation from his cabinet.
While some Liberals have anonymously accused her of being self-centred and disloyal to the party, others have gone to bat for her for being courageous and strong as allegations swirl that Trudeau's office pressured her to head off a criminal prosecution of Quebec engineering giant SNC-Lavalin.
Liberal staff and MPs are nervous and wanting their own answers about exactly what happened while several Indigenous leaders are accusing Trudeau of sexism and racism in his treatment of her.

The Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs and Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak Grand Chief Garrison Settee say the situation is a step backwards in the walk towards reconciliation while National Chief Perry Bellegarde of the Assembly of First Nations says he is very concerned about the many unanswered questions around her departure from cabinet.
Treasury Board President Jane Philpott, one of Wilson-Raybould's closest allies in cabinet, posted a tweet noting how much she learned from Wilson-Raybould about Indigenous rights and justice.
Trudeau denies anything wrong occurred and said Tuesday evening if Wilson-Raybould had felt pressure she should have told him about it but she never did.
2/13/19 2:46 PM
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/snc-lavalin-and-the-pmo-a-timeline-1.4294936?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3Actvnews%3Apost&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c6470b61adf6400018ba923&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1KYFj5nFNDQxZtDVMTey7GUVwF5WN6lv22Oa53gfL_rCz_2mtFfcJheAg

SNC-Lavalin and the PMO: A timeline

Former justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould has resigned from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s cabinet and is seeking legal counsel about whether she can speak publicly about the SNC-Lavalin scandal.

Here’s a timeline of events relating to the allegations involving the company for its work in Libya and current efforts for remediation in Canada:

April 2012 – RCMP raid SNC-Lavalin’s Montreal offices. An affidavit used to obtain a search warrant said police were looking for information relating to millions of dollars in kickbacks allegedly paid to Saadi Gadhafi, the son of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

February 2013 – SNC-Lavalin announces it has hired a former Siemens executive as its chief compliance officer to guide the company on ethics and matters of corporate governance.

April 2013 – The World Bank Group announces the 10-year debarment of SNC-Lavalin Inc., along with 115 affiliates, following two investigations into allegations of bribery in Bangladesh and Cambodia. The debarment, which prohibits the company and affiliates from bidding on World Bank projects, is part of a negotiated resolution agreement between SNC-Lavalin and the World Bank Group.

May 2013 – SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. says it is making a limited-time offer of “amnesty” to whistleblowers within its workforce.

September 2013 – SNC-Lavalin’s chief compliance officer says the company is working hard to become an ethical benchmark for its industry by correcting the problems that have damaged the engineering firm’s reputation over the past 18 months. “We are well on our way and my perception is that our people, our employees, our executives completely understand what is required,” Andreas Pohlmann said after addressing a fraud conference in Montreal.

February 2014 – The RCMP files criminal charges against two former senior SNC-Lavalin executives, including for bribing a public foreign official and contravening a United Nations economic measures act related to Libya. The offences are alleged to have taken place between 2001 and 2013.

February 2014 – SNC-Lavalin hires a senior executive from Dow Chemical Co. to oversee the company’s governance, ethics and compliance efforts. David Wilkins becomes SNC’s chief compliance officer reporting to the president. The company hired Wilkins to deal with the fallout from allegations of corruption levelled at certain former senior executives of the engineering and construction giant.

August 2014 – A former executive of SNC-Lavalin reaches an agreement with Swiss authorities on charges stemming from allegations of money laundering, fraud and corruption involving the engineering giant’s business in Libya under the Gadhafi regime.

February 2015 – The RCMP announces it is laying charges against SNC-Lavalin and two of its subsidiaries for allegedly paying nearly $48 million to public officials in Libya between 2001 and 2011 to influence government decisions.

May 2015 – SNC-Lavalin’s new CEO Neil Bruce says he wants the federal government to settle corporate corruption cases outside the court system, and that the corruption charges levelled against the company have nothing to do with its current workforce. “With the great strides we have made in our goal to be both a Quebec and Canadian player on the global stage, nevertheless we still have to deal with the reality of the current business environment in Canada which presents real challenges to a company like ours," he tells the Montreal Council on Foreign Relations.

September 2017 – Ottawa begins public consultations on possible better ways to tackle corporate wrongdoing. One of the potential options is a deferred prosecution agreement regime, which SNC-Lavalin has been calling for. It would suspend criminal prosecution in exchange for admitting wrongdoing and the payment of fines.

February 2018 – The federal government says it will table legislation for deferred prosecution agreements, also known as remediation, which is later outlined in a budget implementation bill that receives royal assent on June 21, 2018. Such remediation would need approval from the Attorney General.

October 2018 – SNC-Lavalin says federal prosecutors will not allow remediation for the corruption charges relating to business in Libya between 2001 and 2011.

January 2019 – Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould is shuffled to Veterans Affairs. She is replaced by Montreal MP David Lametti.

February 2019 – The Globe and Mail reports that the Prime Minister's Office allegedly tried to influence Jody Wilson-Raybould to ask prosecutors to make a deal to pursue a remediation agreement rather than a criminal prosecution in the corruption and fraud case against the Quebec-based engineering and construction company. CTV News has not independently verified the story. Wilson-Raybould says she cannot discuss the matter, citing solicitor-client privilege.

Feb. 11, 2019 – The Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner announces an investigation of the allegations and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he “welcomes” the probe.

Feb. 12, 2019 – Jody Wilson-Raybould resigns from cabinet and seeks legal counsel on whether she can speak publicly about the SNC-Lavalin scandal. In her resignation letter, she thanks her constituents but makes no mention of Trudeau, who says he is “surprised and disappointed” by Wilson-Raybould’s decision to step down.

2/13/19 4:00 PM
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"February 2019 – The Globe and Mail reports that the Prime Minister's Office allegedly tried to influence Jody Wilson-Raybould to ask prosecutors to make a deal to pursue a remediation agreement rather than a criminal prosecution in the corruption and fraud case against the Quebec-based engineering and construction company."

And here's the whole thing: there is nothing inherently wrong with asking her to make the deal unless they were so stupid as to say "you will lose your spot as Justic Minister if you don't do it". I have a pretty strong feeling that they did not do that.

What they did do that was stupid is to think that she was just going to accept the insult of being demoted and the fallout this will cause. Good chance that Libs will lose BC in this attempt to try to keep Quebec.
2/13/19 4:08 PM
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So the Liberal's just voted that this will be a "limited probe" lol. Cover up coming..

The Liberal members of the House of Commons Justice Committee have voted in favour of studying the ongoing SNC-Lavalin affair and alleged PMO political interference, but have used their majority to limit the scope of the probe.The Liberal members of the House of Commons Justice Committee have voted in favour of studying the ongoing SNC-Lavalin affair and alleged PMO political interference, but have used their majority to limit the scope of the probe.
2/13/19 4:51 PM
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UltraViolentRay - "February 2019 – The Globe and Mail reports that the Prime Minister's Office allegedly tried to influence Jody Wilson-Raybould to ask prosecutors to make a deal to pursue a remediation agreement rather than a criminal prosecution in the corruption and fraud case against the Quebec-based engineering and construction company."

And here's the whole thing: there is nothing inherently wrong with asking her to make the deal unless they were so stupid as to say "you will lose your spot as Justic Minister if you don't do it". I have a pretty strong feeling that they did not do that.

What they did do that was stupid is to think that she was just going to accept the insult of being demoted and the fallout this will cause. Good chance that Libs will lose BC in this attempt to try to keep Quebec.

Of course it's wrong for the PMO to lobby the justice department on behalf of private companies in order to help them avoid criminal prosecution. Think through the consequences of what you just said.

What you're defending is one set of laws for the rich and another for the rest of us. You want to give big business a loophole to buy their way out of corruption charges.

This whole story stinks. Remediation agreements didn't even exist prior to last year when Trudeau introduced them in his omnibus bill as part of his criminal reform package. Gee, what a lucky break for SNC Lavalin. I'm sure all those meetings with Trudeau's government had nothing to do with it though.
2/13/19 4:58 PM
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I'm as pro business as anyone here but there's no way in hell multinationals (or anyone, frankly) should be allowed to bribe their way out of criminal prosecution.