OtherGround Forums I admit it I think Coronavirus/Covid19 is bullshit

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11/11/11
Posts: 8741

Wants a civil discussion after using an inflammatory, clickbait thread title. Rather disingenuous to start.

Secondly, apparently you feel that your opinion on this matter was so special and unique that it needed it's own thread rather than simply adding it to any of the dozen other similar threads?

As for your argument itself, this concept of it being overblown is vague and abstract. At what point would you consider yourself right, or wrong? If in two weeks, as you say, we'll all realize it was overblown, that implies we'll all have to agree on a metric to define it. Does that mean the daily number of deaths has dramatically lowered? Stabilized? Increasing at a lower rate? 10K dead is overblown? 20k? 25k it wasn't, 23k it was? If Trump reopens the country entirely? Partially?

And if all this social distancing works, and the numbers do drop dramatically in the coming weeks, was it because we took it so seriously? The very thing you oppose could very well be the reason you are right, which begs the question - if things do get better quickly, will you admit that all these extreme measures are the reason why?

14 days ago
10/23/05
Posts: 3098
kevsh - 

Wants a civil discussion after using an inflammatory, clickbait thread title. Rather disingenuous to start.

Secondly, apparently you feel that your opinion on this matter was so special and unique that it needed it's own thread rather than simply adding it to any of the dozen other similar threads?

As for your argument itself, this concept of it being overblown is vague and abstract. At what point would you consider yourself right, or wrong? If in two weeks, as you say, we'll all realize it was overblown, that implies we'll all have to agree on a metric to define it. Does that mean the daily number of deaths has dramatically lowered? Stabilized? Increasing at a lower rate? 10K dead is overblown? 20k? 25k it wasn't, 23k it was? If Trump reopens the country entirely? Partially?

And if all this social distancing works, and the numbers do drop dramatically in the coming weeks, was it because we took it so seriously? The very thing you oppose could very well be the reason you are right, which begs the question - if things do get better quickly, will you admit that all these extreme measures are the reason why?


Great post

14 days ago
8/29/09
Posts: 17140
mataleo1 -
kevsh - 

Wants a civil discussion after using an inflammatory, clickbait thread title. Rather disingenuous to start.

Secondly, apparently you feel that your opinion on this matter was so special and unique that it needed it's own thread rather than simply adding it to any of the dozen other similar threads?

As for your argument itself, this concept of it being overblown is vague and abstract. At what point would you consider yourself right, or wrong? If in two weeks, as you say, we'll all realize it was overblown, that implies we'll all have to agree on a metric to define it. Does that mean the daily number of deaths has dramatically lowered? Stabilized? Increasing at a lower rate? 10K dead is overblown? 20k? 25k it wasn't, 23k it was? If Trump reopens the country entirely? Partially?

And if all this social distancing works, and the numbers do drop dramatically in the coming weeks, was it because we took it so seriously? The very thing you oppose could very well be the reason you are right, which begs the question - if things do get better quickly, will you admit that all these extreme measures are the reason why?


Great post

Thanks for keeping this thread at the top guys.

 

OPs threads can only flourish with the support of posters like you.

 

Thanks for subscribing.

14 days ago
1/16/07
Posts: 890
I had your opinion two weeks ago, that basically it is no worse than the flu which happens every year and loads of people die but its normal, right?

Then I started paying more attention to what was going on, what the experiences were in other countries depending on their actions, learned a bit more about the virus itself. Then I made sure my family were safe and self-isolated before we were told to.

I'm the sole provider and I work from home anyway, so the big change was for them.

Most cases are mild. Some aren't. It's a completely novel virus for humans so no-one has immunity. People are being stupid (in my country, UK) so its going to spread like wildfire. Even with a low % needing hospital treatment, the healthcare system will be completely overloaded. So cases which normally could be treatable will be fatal, due to the overload.

This not a time to get sick from this or any other disease. This is not the time to get an injury that requires medical treatment.
14 days ago
4/20/11
Posts: 19227
Bad Monkey -
cfochs -

22k-55k flu deaths is an average of 60 to 150 deaths a day. Yesterday there were 265 new deaths in the U.S. linked to coronavirus.  This number will only continue to get bigger.

Flu season is 5 months of the year.  In 2017 there were 61000 deaths

 

That's an average of over 400/day due to the flu.  And covid19 is probably taking care of many people that would have died of the flu because it got to the individual first.

 

 

This.

14 days ago
3/4/18
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saglv -

You’re an idiot, lol. You know there’s a stickied thread on the forum where several actual doctors are posting about their experiences right?

 

14 days ago
3/4/18
Posts: 870

Also...it's amazing that people don't seem to remember the world is bigger than their immediate surroundings. Shit is pretty serious.

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2/10/20
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Bad Monkey -
KingMartyrJack -
Nitecrawler -

Ok, perhaps bullshit is way too strong of a word, but it got you pissed off enough to click this thread so while you’re here just hear me out. 
 

First, let me get this out of the way, I don’t think this virus is part of some conspiracy to make Trump look bad or to shuffle in a New World Order (love that song by Ministry btw). I don’t think it was grown in a lab and I don’t think God created it to smite humanity. 
 

Now, with all that out of the way, let me say that I don’t believe the hype (another good song). Now, before people get their panties in a twist and start screaming about how blind I am, a family member has tested positive for CV19 and is presently in the hospital.
 

“So, why do you think it’s bullshit then, NC” you ask? Again, I don’t think it’s bullshit but I think it’s completely overblown and come another week or two people will realize this was just another mass panic where the situation should not have equaled the reaction. 
 

With that said, I am willing to admit that I am dead wrong about my assumptions above if shit goes downhill fast. I am willing to admit that perhaps it’s just me in denial and willing to see the truth about how bad this is. I’m willing to state all this knowing the huge backlash that is coming to this thread, but here’s the question; are you willing to admit you were wrong and that this was another “The Sky is falling moment” that people fell for?  Now, don’t get me wrong, I am prepared and have taken precautions and have made sure that my family is well stocked and protected because I am most likely wrong about this. However, at present moment, I don’t understand the panic I’m seeing to something that I believe by this time next year will be regarded as pedestrian as the flu.
Well, there you have it, flame away if you have to, but I’m hoping to keep this conversation as civil as possible. Be safe out there and let’s just say that I hope I’m right for once. 

How long have you been a mongoloid retard?

22,000 deaths worlwide (and counting) in just 3 months.  Over 200 in the U.S. just yesterday.

 

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/85320e2ea5424dfaaa75ae62e5c06e61

 

At this point, anyone who thinks "maybe its bullshit" should just eat some bat soup.

 

 

Context is important. 150,000 people die in the world every single day.  How many more people per day are dying?  How many of these people that are in excess to the average were going to die in the next 6 months regardless of whether they caught the virus?

WTF do your stupid hypothetical questions have to do with the facts?

If they were no virus, 22,000 more people would be alive.

14 days ago
8/1/13
Posts: 24576

Been saying this from the beginning my friend. Complete overreaction. Specialist are already starting to walk back their overblown claims.

 

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14 days ago
11/15/04
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Seems like people in the Gen X age group take this stuff more skeptically than say Millenials, yes/no?

14 days ago
4/20/11
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camicom -

Been saying this from the beginning my friend. Complete overreaction. Specialist are already starting to walk back their overblown claims.

 

Most of the hysterical Trump Derangement Syndromers on this forum are beginning to pivot and start to spin it to gradually back off of their hysterical claims.

It's really quite hilarious. 

14 days ago
3/13/18
Posts: 5853

Sigh. 
kevsh hit the nail on the head

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3/4/18
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14 days ago
7/4/11
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RdotC -

So here is the problem...

We have all of these people saying 'if this dies down in a few weeks, that shows this was all overblown and we should have never altered our lives for this.

However, that would be the absolute best case of doing things like stay at home orders and social distancing. These things are being done with the hope that everything does quiet down within weeks.... instead of just carrying on like normal and having things grow exponentially.

I've said this 100 times but good public health policy is like IT support. If you do your job right then the ungrateful assholes won't even know you did your job.

 

14 days ago
5/30/05
Posts: 73699

I agree with you. I support all other measures as I do take this serious up until the point it is putting people out of work. This has the potential to cause actually much worse issues DURING this actual issue, sooner rather than later. Full lockdowns and the inability to work have unintended consequences.

I am very concerned what is going to happened next Friday when millions of people who were not able to collect and live check to check have no money, especially in large cities. Why is nobody taking this just as serious as the virus? This is a real problem and the true unintended consequence of making it so people cannot work due to this. Are people just overwhelmed with the virus and failing to look ahead to see this disastrous problem staring us down?

14 days ago
3/23/07
Posts: 60253
mataleo1 - 
kevsh - 

Wants a civil discussion after using an inflammatory, clickbait thread title. Rather disingenuous to start.

Secondly, apparently you feel that your opinion on this matter was so special and unique that it needed it's own thread rather than simply adding it to any of the dozen other similar threads?

As for your argument itself, this concept of it being overblown is vague and abstract. At what point would you consider yourself right, or wrong? If in two weeks, as you say, we'll all realize it was overblown, that implies we'll all have to agree on a metric to define it. Does that mean the daily number of deaths has dramatically lowered? Stabilized? Increasing at a lower rate? 10K dead is overblown? 20k? 25k it wasn't, 23k it was? If Trump reopens the country entirely? Partially?

And if all this social distancing works, and the numbers do drop dramatically in the coming weeks, was it because we took it so seriously? The very thing you oppose could very well be the reason you are right, which begs the question - if things do get better quickly, will you admit that all these extreme measures are the reason why?


Great post


Excellent post.

14 days ago
3/25/14
Posts: 611

Here's the fact of the matter. ~80% of the people that get CoVID are fine. The other 20% develop symptoms bad enough to seek medical help. Of that 20%, 40% are under the age of 55. If people who need medical attention dont get it the mortality rate is high. Look at Italy. As long as the people who have severe symptoms get treatment the mortality rate is still around 10% of severe cases, or about 2% of all cases.

If it gets out of hand a lot of people old and young are fucked. As long as the infection rate is managed we can continue to effectively treat those who need it and keep deaths to a minimum.

The problem is that this shit spreads fast. A novel strain means no one has immunity. Chances are if you come in contact with it you're going to get it.

Stay safe chumps!

14 days ago
8/1/13
Posts: 24579
Willin -
camicom -

Been saying this from the beginning my friend. Complete overreaction. Specialist are already starting to walk back their overblown claims.

 

Most of the hysterical Trump Derangement Syndromers on this forum are beginning to pivot and start to spin it to gradually back off of their hysterical claims.

It's really quite hilarious. 

This

14 days ago
1/16/07
Posts: 891
BeavTek - 

Here's the fact of the matter. ~80% of the people that get CoVID are fine. The other 20% develop symptoms bad enough to seek medical help. Of that 20%, 40% are under the age of 55. If people who need medical attention dont get it the mortality rate is high. Look at Italy. As long as the people who have severe symptoms get treatment the mortality rate is still around 10% of severe cases, or about 2% of all cases.

If it gets out of hand a lot of people old and young are fucked. As long as the infection rate is managed we can continue to effectively treat those who need it and keep deaths to a minimum.

The problem is that this shit spreads fast. A novel strain means no one has immunity. Chances are if you come in contact with it you're going to get it.

Stay safe chumps!


I think time will show that more than 80% of cases are mild and the unavoidable death rate is lower but I agree with your general point.

It's spreading so fast that even low %'s will overload healthcare systems which is bad news for everyone who has a serious case of this or anything else.
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5/13/11
Posts: 56859

Thread did not disappoint. 

 

Kevsh nailed it on the head. An actual doctor entrenched in the chaos confirmed the quality and accuracy of the post. They get mocked by the same pack of deniers, who are also using stats from the totality of other illnesses to compare to stats from something the US is only 1.5 months into, while completely ignoring the rate of increase or any modeling. 

 

These deniers are the true problem, along with the politicians here pushing for a quick return to open season to save their precious corporations. 

14 days ago
1/14/07
Posts: 12375

Agree. 

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8/29/09
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KingMartyrJack -
Bad Monkey -
KingMartyrJack -
Nitecrawler -

Ok, perhaps bullshit is way too strong of a word, but it got you pissed off enough to click this thread so while you’re here just hear me out. 
 

First, let me get this out of the way, I don’t think this virus is part of some conspiracy to make Trump look bad or to shuffle in a New World Order (love that song by Ministry btw). I don’t think it was grown in a lab and I don’t think God created it to smite humanity. 
 

Now, with all that out of the way, let me say that I don’t believe the hype (another good song). Now, before people get their panties in a twist and start screaming about how blind I am, a family member has tested positive for CV19 and is presently in the hospital.
 

“So, why do you think it’s bullshit then, NC” you ask? Again, I don’t think it’s bullshit but I think it’s completely overblown and come another week or two people will realize this was just another mass panic where the situation should not have equaled the reaction. 
 

With that said, I am willing to admit that I am dead wrong about my assumptions above if shit goes downhill fast. I am willing to admit that perhaps it’s just me in denial and willing to see the truth about how bad this is. I’m willing to state all this knowing the huge backlash that is coming to this thread, but here’s the question; are you willing to admit you were wrong and that this was another “The Sky is falling moment” that people fell for?  Now, don’t get me wrong, I am prepared and have taken precautions and have made sure that my family is well stocked and protected because I am most likely wrong about this. However, at present moment, I don’t understand the panic I’m seeing to something that I believe by this time next year will be regarded as pedestrian as the flu.
Well, there you have it, flame away if you have to, but I’m hoping to keep this conversation as civil as possible. Be safe out there and let’s just say that I hope I’m right for once. 

How long have you been a mongoloid retard?

22,000 deaths worlwide (and counting) in just 3 months.  Over 200 in the U.S. just yesterday.

 

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/85320e2ea5424dfaaa75ae62e5c06e61

 

At this point, anyone who thinks "maybe its bullshit" should just eat some bat soup.

 

 

Context is important. 150,000 people die in the world every single day.  How many more people per day are dying?  How many of these people that are in excess to the average were going to die in the next 6 months regardless of whether they caught the virus?

WTF do your stupid hypothetical questions have to do with the facts?

If they were no virus, 22,000 more people would be alive.

Trying to illustrate to you that the facts are this virus isn't causing any meaningful deviation from normal, everyday mortality rate of humans as a species.

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4/20/11
Posts: 19230
FETT_Lay'n'PrayNINJA -

Thread did not disappoint. 

 

Kevsh nailed it on the head. An actual doctor entrenched in the chaos confirmed the quality and accuracy of the post. They get mocked by the same pack of deniers, who are also using stats from the totality of other illnesses to compare to stats from something the US is only 1.5 months into, while completely ignoring the rate of increase or any modeling. 

 

These deniers are the true problem, along with the politicians here pushing for a quick return to open season to save their precious corporations. 

Save their precious corporations?

LOL, you're such an embicile.

Small businesses are dying first. Corporations second.

With no business you don't have a USA.

You won't have unemployment checks to cash when that happens. I hope they cut you off from the government benefits first, loser.