OtherGround Forums Looks Like New Zealand Stepped In It

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https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/new-zealands-ongoing-self-siege-is

New Zealand's ongoing self-siege is not at all a COVID-19 ‘Success Story'

A failure in assessing risk with devastating future consequences.

On Sunday, New Zealand marked 100 days without any detected community spread of the novel coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China. The media, government bureaucrats, and politicians worldwide congratulated Wellington for its “success” in keeping its people free (temporarily) from infection. The chattering took to social media, discussing how “lucky” New Zealand was to have its apparent capable and wise leadership in their government. ...

The land and sea borders to the islands remain completely closed to visitors. Tourism has been indefinitely canceled. New Zealend residents cannot even accept visitors from neighboring Australia. Tourism is a massive industry in New Zealand. It accounts for 6 percent of GDP, and 8.4 percent of the country’s workforce, or 230,000 Kiwis, are employed in the tourism industry. Government officials have acknowledged that Wellington may be looking at shutting down tourism for years to come.

People are getting a lot poorer. The country entered into a recession in June. A new jobs report found that in addition to the 4% of the workforce that cannot find a job, some 346,000 Kiwis are underemployed. Bloomberg reports that the nation is expected more economic woes ahead, “bracing for a severe contraction” in the economy. All of the supposed success that New Zealand has had in sheltering its people from the virus has not made a dent on the New Zealand dollar and its value related to the U.S. dollar or China’s currency.

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New Zealand’s self-siege-until-vaccine strategy has already produced devastating societal and economic consequences, and there is no end of the road in sight. The vaccine, if it ever appears, will not be effective enough to protect the population from the coronavirus. When New Zealand opens back up, the virus will still be circulating around the globe, and much of the population will inevitably face risk of infection. New Zealand has temporarily shielded its 4.8 million citizens from the virus, but at a tremendous cost that is going to set back Kiwis for years, in addition to making them significantly poorer, and granting New Zealand’s citizens fewer opportunities to prosper. In the end, infections will incur despite New Zealand’s best efforts, but the damaging policies undertaken to delay infection will harm the country’s far more significantly than the novel coronavirus.

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Update:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8615231/New-Zealand-records-four-new-coronavirus-cases-plunges-lockdown.html

Jacinda Ardern plunges New Zealand BACK into lockdown with 1.6million Kiwis told they can't leave home as nation records just FOUR new cases of Covid-19 after 100 days without any

8/10/20 5:36 PM
10/23/07
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4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

8/10/20 5:41 PM
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superCalo -

4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

NZ is 3rd freest economy on the planet, US is the 17th

8/10/20 5:43 PM
11/1/06
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Hilarious!

Is this part of a plan to make the countries that have done well somehow look bad? 4% unemployment you say? Remind me what the unemployment numbers look like for the US?

8/10/20 5:45 PM
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ryunz -
superCalo -

4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

NZ is 3rd freest economy on the planet, US is the 17th

3rd freest? Lol its illegal to conceal carry firearms under their constitution which basically makes freedom illegal.

 

8/10/20 5:48 PM
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superCalo -
ryunz -
superCalo -

4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

NZ is 3rd freest economy on the planet, US is the 17th

3rd freest? Lol its illegal to conceal carry firearms under their constitution which basically makes freedom illegal.

 

The man has spoken!  

8/10/20 5:51 PM
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superCalo -
ryunz -
superCalo -

4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

NZ is 3rd freest economy on the planet, US is the 17th

3rd freest? Lol its illegal to conceal carry firearms under their constitution which basically makes freedom illegal.

 

in relative terms it's actually #1 but the top 20 are all about the same in absolute terms.  the difference between #1 and #20 is negligible.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries

8/10/20 5:56 PM
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Goliad1835 -
superCalo -
ryunz -
superCalo -

4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

NZ is 3rd freest economy on the planet, US is the 17th

3rd freest? Lol its illegal to conceal carry firearms under their constitution which basically makes freedom illegal.

 

The man has spoken!  

Thread over

8/10/20 6:08 PM
1/1/01
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Sorry to hear for any OGers living there. 

 

8/10/20 6:09 PM
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ryunz - 
superCalo -

4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

NZ is 3rd freest economy on the planet, US is the 17th


Yeah?  How free are all those tourism businesses right now?  

8/10/20 6:10 PM
1/1/01
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“The vaccine, if it ever appears, will not be effective enough to protect the population from the coronavirus.”

What does this mean?

8/10/20 6:15 PM
7/13/17
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Isn't the NZ flu season not during their shutdown months?  

8/10/20 6:19 PM
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BZtown10 -

Isn't the NZ flu season not during their shutdown months?  

Their shutdown ended like 3 months ago cause they economy is so weak it could not cope with being shut down for so long, dosent have thy resilience if a capitalist market driven ecomomic system 

8/10/20 6:19 PM
9/13/11
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You can travel back and forth from AUS to NZ, you are required to enter into a 14 day quarantine though. I believe the NZ Government is paying for your accomodation and meals whilst in quarantine. Australian Government is not paying for your accomodation and meals etc. 

Edited: 8/10/20 6:21 PM
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rbl -

“The vaccine, if it ever appears, will not be effective enough to protect the population from the coronavirus.”

What does this mean?

What they are saying is basically they want all their citizens to give up and rely on the government 100% from here on out. That even a vacinne won't work.

If it was up to Fauci for example, the entire US would be shut down until there are zero cases over an extended period ( most likely shut down for multiple years ) and there are those in government here & around the world, who would more then likely full on want that too

 

 

Just wait until this winter when flu season starts up. You want to see how absolute dangerous the media gets with this shit. Thought it was bad before, they gonna full on start a mass panic across the country

8/10/20 6:24 PM
6/20/14
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Yeah, it may be '3rd freest' but that's hard to notice when there's an $18 minimum wage and the government is allowing cartels in basically every market sector to keep prices astronomical and consumer options minimal.

8/10/20 6:37 PM
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superCalo -
BZtown10 -

Isn't the NZ flu season not during their shutdown months?  

Their shutdown ended like 3 months ago cause they economy is so weak it could not cope with being shut down for so long, dosent have thy resilience if a capitalist market driven ecomomic system 

They are a free market economy, a highky advanced one.  Its just smaaller than most.

8/10/20 6:41 PM
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Tardcore -

Yeah, it may be '3rd freest' but that's hard to notice when there's an $18 minimum wage and the government is allowing cartels in basically every market sector to keep prices astronomical and consumer options minimal.

Thats about $12 USD.

8/10/20 6:46 PM
6/5/05
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Lol what kind of bullshit article is this?

 

Our gdp fell almost 30% and our unemployment is 11%. 

8/10/20 7:19 PM
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It makes sense that some OGers would think NZ has done a bad job with their no cases.

Because they also think the US has done a great job with over 150000 deaths 

 

8/10/20 7:26 PM
11/1/06
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Supercalo is trolling. New Zealand is doing incredibly well. 

Edited: 8/10/20 7:45 PM
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RepsOne -

You can travel back and forth from AUS to NZ, you are required to enter into a 14 day quarantine though. I believe the NZ Government is paying for your accomodation and meals whilst in quarantine. Australian Government is not paying for your accomodation and meals etc. 

No they haven’t started the Trans-Tasman bubble yet as far as I know. They are planning on opening up the borders with the Cook Islands soon.

There was no new cases here for months & they ended the lockdown and everyone was sucking the governments dick about how great they handled everything. Then they started letting Kiwi residents come back here from overseas for certain cases like compassionate grounds. It was probably a week later that they found 2 English girls had come over from London & they didn’t test them or quarantine them . They were allowed to drive all the way from Auckland to Wellington while they had the virus. Apparently they stopped someone to ask for directions & hugged them on their way down. 

Not to mention they put people coming back from overseas in quarantine in hotels/serviced apts mixed with residents that live there! Seriously there are some complete dopes in that government 

8/10/20 7:43 PM
6/9/08
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Kiwi here.

Not really too sure on whos trolling and who actually might take that article seriously.

But may aswell reply to some of these comments…

8/10/20 7:44 PM
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superCalo -

4% unemployment thats, problem with those commie countries Noone wants to work, inbuilt laziness cause state will provide, now its coming home to roost like it did in Russia. 

 

Well under half what the US is sitting at.

Numbers are expected to be somewhat under reported, but on the whole its a healthy number. 

8/10/20 7:47 PM
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rbl -

“The vaccine, if it ever appears, will not be effective enough to protect the population from the coronavirus.”

What does this mean?

The current vaccines in development wont give 100 % immunity againt the virus. As a country we know we cant issolate ourselves for ever.