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5/21/19 7:53 AM
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(Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Monday ruled in favor of a U.S. House of Representatives committee seeking President Donald Trump’s financial records from his accounting firm, dealing an early setback to the Trump administration in its legal battle with Congress.

U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta in Washington also denied a request by Trump to stay his decision pending an appeal.

Last Tuesday Mehta heard oral arguments on whether Mazars LLP must comply with a House of Representatives Oversight Committee subpoena.

Mehta said in Monday’s ruling that the committee “has shown that it is not engaged in a pure fishing expedition for the President’s financial records” and that the Mazars documents might assist Congress in passing laws and performing other core functions.

“It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct - past or present - even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry,” Mehta said.

Mehta said Mazars has seven days to comply with the subpoena.

It was the first time a federal court had waded into the tussle about how far Congress can go in probing Trump and his business affairs.

Trump told reporters the decision was “crazy” and that it would be appealed.

“It’s totally the wrong decision by obviously an Obama-appointed judge,” Trump said.

Trump is refusing to cooperate with a series of investigations on issues ranging from his tax returns and policy decisions to his Washington hotel and his children’s security clearances.

The standoff deepened on Monday when Trump told former White House counsel Don McGahn to defy a subpoena to testify about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation before a different congressional committee.

Trump’s lawyers have argued that Congress is on a quest to “turn up something that Democrats can use as a political tool against the president now and in the 2020 election.”

The House Oversight Committee claims sweeping investigative power and says it needs Trump’s financial records to examine whether he has conflicts of interest or broke the law by not disentangling himself from his business holdings, as previous presidents did.

Lawyers for Trump and the Trump Organization, his company, last month filed a lawsuit to block the committee’s subpoena, saying it exceeded Congress’ constitutional limits.

Mehta was appointed in 2014 by Democratic former President Barack Obama, who was often investigated by Republicans in Congress during his two terms in office.

Mazars has avoided taking sides in the dispute and said it will “comply with all legal obligations.”

The ruling was “a resounding victory for the rule of law,” Elijah Cummings, the House Oversight Committee chairman, said in a statement.

“Congress must have access to the information we need to do our job effectively and efficiently, and we urge the President to stop engaging in this unprecedented cover-up and start complying with the law,” Cummings said.

Mehta’s ruling “will probably have considerable weight in similar factual contexts where the House is seeking other records,” said Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond.
5/21/19 7:53 AM
1/14/07
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TLDR: "It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct - past or present - even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry," Mehta said.

^ That part of the opinion sums it up perfectly.
5/21/19 8:14 AM
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Oh...

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-court-mazars/trump-loses-lawsuit-challenging-subpoena-for-financial-records-idUSKCN1SQ29H
5/21/19 8:19 AM
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Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 

5/21/19 8:20 AM
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'
5/21/19 8:26 AM
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Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

Suuree

5/21/19 8:43 AM
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Junnk - 
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

Suuree


"It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct - past or present - even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry,"

Do you disagree with this?

If so, why do you hate our Constitution?
5/21/19 8:46 AM
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Junnk - 
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

Suuree


"It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct - past or present - even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry,"

Do you disagree with this?

If so, why do you hate our Constitution?

He hates it because it's not allowing his hero to keep hiding his fraudulent activites from the American people. 

5/21/19 8:49 AM
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lol. If the wigger isn't rapping, he's crying about Trump.

5/21/19 8:52 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what do they expect to find? His taxes went to the IRS every year so I would think if there was some shady shit in his past he would have been banged out for it, no?

If they wanted to look at his tax returns for the last two years to make sure he doesn’t have any conflicts of interest now that he’s POTUS that is one thing, but going through taxes that were already cleared by the IRS in some sort of fishing expedition is another. 

5/21/19 8:58 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what do they expect to find? His taxes went to the IRS every year so I would think if there was some shady shit in his past he would have been banged out for it, no?

If they wanted to look at his tax returns for the last two years to make sure he doesn’t have any conflicts of interest now that he’s POTUS that is one thing, but going through taxes that were already cleared by the IRS in some sort of fishing expedition is another. 

It's for headlines, nothing more. They already have his tax records because of the irs leaker. 

5/21/19 9:00 AM
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Nitecrawler - 

Just out of curiosity, what do they expect to find? His taxes went to the IRS every year so I would think if there was some shady shit in his past he would have been banged out for it, no?

If they wanted to look at his tax returns for the last two years to make sure he doesn’t have any conflicts of interest now that he’s POTUS that is one thing, but going through taxes that were already cleared by the IRS in some sort of fishing expedition is another. 


Apparently they expect to find something... hence the subpoena
5/21/19 9:04 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what do they expect to find? His taxes went to the IRS every year so I would think if there was some shady shit in his past he would have been banged out for it, no?

If they wanted to look at his tax returns for the last two years to make sure he doesn’t have any conflicts of interest now that he’s POTUS that is one thing, but going through taxes that were already cleared by the IRS in some sort of fishing expedition is another. 


Apparently they expect to find something... hence the subpoena

No they don’t. They’re fishing as usual. Looking for any reason to justify their ludicrous calls for impeachment. 

5/21/19 9:04 AM
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Nitecrawler -

Just out of curiosity, what do they expect to find? His taxes went to the IRS every year so I would think if there was some shady shit in his past he would have been banged out for it, no?

If they wanted to look at his tax returns for the last two years to make sure he doesn’t have any conflicts of interest now that he’s POTUS that is one thing, but going through taxes that were already cleared by the IRS in some sort of fishing expedition is another. 

If I am understanding this correctly, they aren't just asking for tax returns. This is a subpoena for his accounting firm regarding the allegations that he fraudulently inflated and deflated his assets/worth when it suited his needs. 

5/21/19 9:05 AM
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Nitecrawler - 

Just out of curiosity, what do they expect to find? His taxes went to the IRS every year so I would think if there was some shady shit in his past he would have been banged out for it, no?

If they wanted to look at his tax returns for the last two years to make sure he doesn’t have any conflicts of interest now that he’s POTUS that is one thing, but going through taxes that were already cleared by the IRS in some sort of fishing expedition is another. 


Apparently they expect to find something... hence the subpoena

No they don’t. They’re fishing as usual. Looking for any reason to justify their ludicrous calls for impeachment. 


Source?

Who's your mole in Congress?
5/21/19 9:08 AM
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

So they are going to spend every day going over every single facet of Trump’s life with a fine tooth comb until they find something they can prosecute for? 

5/21/19 9:13 AM
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

So they are going to spend every day going over every single facet of Trump’s life with a fine tooth comb until they find something they can prosecute for? 


Remember all the Benghazi investigations, hearings, etc?
The Bill Clinton investigation/impeachment? (which ended up as you would say 'a nothing burger')

Congress gets to investigate... regardless if either 'side' likes it at the time.

They have a clear responsibility under the Constitution for oversight. And if they feel Trump is doing something illegal, they absolutely have the responsibility to investigate it.
5/21/19 9:20 AM
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

Suuree


"It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct - past or present - even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry,"

Do you disagree with this?

If so, why do you hate our Constitution?

He hates it because it's not allowing his hero to keep hiding his fraudulent activites from the American people. 


Is there actually evidence of fraudulent activity?  

5/21/19 9:20 AM
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

So they are going to spend every day going over every single facet of Trump’s life with a fine tooth comb until they find something they can prosecute for? 


Remember all the Benghazi investigations, hearings, etc?
The Bill Clinton investigation/impeachment? (which ended up as you would say 'a nothing burger')

Congress gets to investigate... regardless if either 'side' likes it at the time.

They have a clear responsibility under the Constitution for oversight. And if they feel Trump is doing something illegal, they absolutely have the responsibility to investigate it.

Oversight over the Executive Branch...that’s oversight of things that are part of the duties of the Executive Branch. That doesn’t include PERSONAL tax returns. This is clear overreach. It’s quite ANTI-American to be cheering this on. 

Very sad.

5/21/19 9:24 AM
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

So they are going to spend every day going over every single facet of Trump’s life with a fine tooth comb until they find something they can prosecute for? 


Remember all the Benghazi investigations, hearings, etc?
The Bill Clinton investigation/impeachment? (which ended up as you would say 'a nothing burger')

Congress gets to investigate... regardless if either 'side' likes it at the time.

They have a clear responsibility under the Constitution for oversight. And if they feel Trump is doing something illegal, they absolutely have the responsibility to investigate it.

Oversight over the Executive Branch...that’s oversight of things that are part of the duties of the Executive Branch. That doesn’t include PERSONAL tax returns. This is clear overreach. It’s quite ANTI-American to be cheering this on. 

Very sad.


Oversight of his personal finances are absolutely not an overreach knowing how debt leveraged he is over time coupled with his multiple statements regarding of taking advantage of the tax code.

Coupled again with his continued connection to his businesses who are taking income from foreign actors.

Yeah... thats well within their oversight role.
5/21/19 9:28 AM
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Obama appointed judge. 

5/21/19 9:29 AM
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Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

So they are going to spend every day going over every single facet of Trump’s life with a fine tooth comb until they find something they can prosecute for? 


Remember all the Benghazi investigations, hearings, etc?
The Bill Clinton investigation/impeachment? (which ended up as you would say 'a nothing burger')

Congress gets to investigate... regardless if either 'side' likes it at the time.

They have a clear responsibility under the Constitution for oversight. And if they feel Trump is doing something illegal, they absolutely have the responsibility to investigate it.

Oversight over the Executive Branch...that’s oversight of things that are part of the duties of the Executive Branch. That doesn’t include PERSONAL tax returns. This is clear overreach. It’s quite ANTI-American to be cheering this on. 

Very sad.


Oversight of his personal finances are absolutely not an overreach knowing how debt leveraged he is over time coupled with his multiple statements regarding of taking advantage of the tax code.

Coupled again with his continued connection to his businesses who are taking income from foreign actors.

Yeah... thats well within their oversight role.

Yes it is. It’s quite laughable when none of these things have to do with oversight over the Executive Branch. That’s oversight of someone’s PERSONAL finances. It has nothing to do with the duties of the Executive Branch in which Congress has oversight of in which none of those things are a part of.

5/21/19 9:30 AM
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Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

Suuree


"It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct - past or present - even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry,"

Do you disagree with this?

If so, why do you hate our Constitution?

He hates it because it's not allowing his hero to keep hiding his fraudulent activites from the American people. 


Is there actually evidence of fraudulent activity?  

There is evidence in the allegations. Witness testimony is evidence. They are looking to see if there is corroboration now. Hence the subpoena(s). 

5/21/19 9:34 AM
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Junnk - 
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Junnk - 

Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

Suuree


"It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct - past or present - even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry,"

Do you disagree with this?

If so, why do you hate our Constitution?

He hates it because it's not allowing his hero to keep hiding his fraudulent activites from the American people. 

What fraudulent activities? 

I'm sure there's something there, if we just keep digging,  we'll find it, amirite? 

 

5/21/19 9:35 AM
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Muh russia to muh obstruction  to muh taxes?

 


More like - 'muh Branch of Government responsible for oversight doing their job'

So they are going to spend every day going over every single facet of Trump’s life with a fine tooth comb until they find something they can prosecute for? 


Remember all the Benghazi investigations, hearings, etc?
The Bill Clinton investigation/impeachment? (which ended up as you would say 'a nothing burger')

Congress gets to investigate... regardless if either 'side' likes it at the time.

They have a clear responsibility under the Constitution for oversight. And if they feel Trump is doing something illegal, they absolutely have the responsibility to investigate it.

Oversight over the Executive Branch...that’s oversight of things that are part of the duties of the Executive Branch. That doesn’t include PERSONAL tax returns. This is clear overreach. It’s quite ANTI-American to be cheering this on. 

Very sad.


Oversight of his personal finances are absolutely not an overreach knowing how debt leveraged he is over time coupled with his multiple statements regarding of taking advantage of the tax code.

Coupled again with his continued connection to his businesses who are taking income from foreign actors.

Yeah... thats well within their oversight role.

Yes it is. It’s quite laughable when none of these things have to do with oversight over the Executive Branch. That’s oversight of someone’s PERSONAL finances. It has nothing to do with the duties of the Executive Branch in which Congress has oversight of in which none of those things are a part of.

"LOL!"

So fun watching you be intentionally obtuse.