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I think he's a reprehensible person for what he did.
I also think he's paid for it and deserves to be able to move on and make a living.
No need for the two opinions to be mutually exclusive.
Again no one is saying he shouldn't make a living.
How far does the he's paid for it thing go? Would you say that about Jared when he gets out if he starts speaking out against pedos?
I know you quoted donkypunch, but everyone defending Vick can also see this point you are making and I just want to say, you are not the only one to take notice that not a single person is going out of there way to try to answer that.
They don't want to realize they hypocrisy in their own stance.
Are you two so mentally retarded that you cannot see the difference in dogs and human children?
If there's no difference to you and you think you're comparing apples to apples, I think we can just end this conversation.
Well that's the point though. People saying he did his time and not qualifying it and saying well some crimes shouldn't be forgiven. If you agree with the latter statement, guess what point this thread is making?
10 pages and you've reduced it down to "The crime he did shouldn't be forgiven", that's the point of the thread now? The point of the thread and OP is that he shouldn't be on TV.
You keep reminding us "He can do other jobs" "We're not saying he shouldn't be able to work elsewhere and make a living"
Why should he be able to do those other jobs and make a living? He committed an unforgivable crime to you. Why talk about the NFL and TV? That's secondary, shouldn't your argument be he should be in prison for the rest of his life? That's what we do with people who commit unforgivable crimes.
You're moving the goalpost now because you made a really dumb comparison between dogs and children to try and make a point.
I guess I thought this was clear enough but sorry if not. I will try again:
You clearly also think there are crimes bad enough that someone should not get high profile jobs, but you probably would still want them to work some sort of honest job when they are out of jail. Like I bet you think Jared could be a janitor (obviously not at a school) when he gets out, but I bet if he did n anti pedo advocacy, you still wouldn't want anyone paying him millions in a cush media job or making him a spokesman again, correct?
NO I AM NOT COMPARING WHAT VICK DID TO MOLESTATION. I am using an extreme example to make the point.
So to me, what Vick did crosses that line. Obviously not to you. If you agree with the Jared example though, you clearly agree with the premise, you just don't think Vick crossed the line, so we can stop saying crap like WHAT HE CAN NEVER WORK AGAIN? And HE DID HIS TIME! That's my point as best as I can explain it. Hope it makes sense.
All right, here we go.
I don't agree with your "high profile jobs" point.
I understand your point, and agree with the "basic" premise. It's a conditions upon release like argument.
We don't need to take it to an extreme. Child molesters commit unforgivable crimes, they should rot in prison for life in my opinion. We can use other scenarios. I don't believe a pharmacist who stole then sold drugs should be able to go back into pharmacy. I don't believe an accountant who embezzled money should be able to handle a business's finances. And I don't believe Vick should be able to manage an animal shelter or be a dog breeder.
The crimes he committed have nothing to do with his profession, if he was convicted of betting on games and then throwing those games...I'd say he shouldn't be anywhere near the sport. If a plumber was busted for what Vick did, should he not be able to go back into plumbing to make a living?
So "high profile"?....He IS high profile, he can't avoid that, he can't work in his profession that had nothing to do with his crimes without being high profile. Honestly, What is he going to do? He knows one thing his entire life. If he is a free man, he should be able to make the best living he can with what he knows best as long as someone is willing to employ him. His employers clearly believe he is a changed man and his actions and behavior after his release are sufficient to them that his services, including his name are wanted and employable. Do you think if he was still acting like a drug dealing, dog killing piece of shit he would have these jobs? Of course not. Whether it's an act or not is between him and "God", believing it is just an act is simply an assumption with no basis...It could be correct, he could get busted tomorrow for some shit but we, I, you, us,... can't go around judging people on a baseless assumptions, that's not a way to live imo.