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9/23/20 12:50 PM
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I have told my wife about you. She gets a kick out of someone not from Staten Island loving it and wanting to move there. It is a very homogenous place, and generally people are just born there and stay there. Not many transplant.

She is from Eltingville.

We were out there the other night having dinner at La Strada in New Dorp.

 

There are homeless guys in Eltingville. Eltingville. On the South Shore. Pushing shopping carts and picking through people's trash. 

 

There was a drug related hostage situation not long before Covid in Great Kills.

 

Even Staten Island is getting it. My MIL and FIL may winter with us this year in Florida to get away from it.

9/23/20 2:18 PM
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Bobby Lupo - Another development that would have led to tons of jobs killed by political opposition to capitalists

God forbid a politician allowed the working class to work

This isn't HQ2 bad, but it stinks of the same thing. Now a bunch of empty warehouses stay empty

https://www.brooklynpaper.com/industry-city-withdraws-rezoning-application/?fbclid=IwAR1hUAZk3QDM6u2sxQdecV9nWBhxoSw2xRrA7I7-vqq3RaVBpq5f7cwlxXE#.X2sylBi7r6Q.facebook

This is disheartening. In fact, it pisses me off and I've been watching this really closely for years as I live not too far away. 

 

In some ways I think it's worse than hq2 because it didn't even involve a tax payer subsidy.

 

That said, they e transformed this place over the last few years. You go in there now and it's filled with people drinking craft beer in the courtyards and buying speciality japanese groceries. 

 

And that's not going to stop. Whole foods moved in about two weeks ago and they are working on converting more buildings. The warehouses are not going to stay empty. They have two buildings left to covert ( funnily enough, they are a block or two away from the prison currently housing ghislaine Maxwell), and they are doing it.

 

They aren't going to be able to build hotels now, which I'm happy about it, and they will have to deal with having less retail, but the development will continue. It will now longer be accompanied by a new school, or any other community promises, but it's happening. 

 

About two blocks past industry City is a great waterfront park, and in back of the park is a giant old warehouse that's currently in some use, and a big old parking lot. The mayor actually designated it as a spot for development of film.and fashion and the entire 6 block length is about to be converted to a new branch of steiner studios.

 

As a result, several companies that support filming, giant camera rental places and post production houses have started snapping up space at industry City. So while the whole thing isn't happening, a lot of it is and can't be stopped because it requires no rezoning. 


It's good to know that things won't be at a standstill. I used to live not too far from there. Those warehouse blocks were a great location for filming. That's the most Brooklyn-looking location in all of Brooklyn. My friend's band made a video there like 20 years ago and you could light garbage cans on fire and nobody would call 911, fuck a permit, just film and clean up after yourself.

It was a fucking dump of crackhead hookers, porno stores, strip clubs, and dodgy tire and auto body places. I like the new version better. I hate the fetishization of grimy NYC. Those were bad old days, and the people who look 'cool' in b&w pics were often suffering and exploited.

It was nice to see Sunset/IC turn into a destination for more than a $20 BJ. I had to film a cooking thing there a couple of years ago and an all avocado restaurant opened up that day. My fucking mind was blown.

Reading this makes me depressed. I dreamed of

moving to NYC ever since I rated a chick there and go to see the city for what it really is. Not just the tourist spots but the underbelly of the city. Probably the best 8 months of my entire life was spent in NYC. Going from Staten Island, to Brooklyn and Manhattan. I really didn’t get the chance to explore Queens or the Bronx but it’s so heartbreaking to see what the city has become and the what if. What if I could live there? As now the places I’ve been looking at are in the middle of no where NJ. 


Plenty of underbelly left in NYC, getting to be more and more by the day.

Kips Bay/Bellevue area and Hell's Kitchen are yuppified, but still grimy as fuck if you're looking for it
9/23/20 2:37 PM
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Bobby Lupo -
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Bobby Lupo -
madmartigan - 
Bobby Lupo - Another development that would have led to tons of jobs killed by political opposition to capitalists

God forbid a politician allowed the working class to work

This isn't HQ2 bad, but it stinks of the same thing. Now a bunch of empty warehouses stay empty

https://www.brooklynpaper.com/industry-city-withdraws-rezoning-application/?fbclid=IwAR1hUAZk3QDM6u2sxQdecV9nWBhxoSw2xRrA7I7-vqq3RaVBpq5f7cwlxXE#.X2sylBi7r6Q.facebook

This is disheartening. In fact, it pisses me off and I've been watching this really closely for years as I live not too far away. 

 

In some ways I think it's worse than hq2 because it didn't even involve a tax payer subsidy.

 

That said, they e transformed this place over the last few years. You go in there now and it's filled with people drinking craft beer in the courtyards and buying speciality japanese groceries. 

 

And that's not going to stop. Whole foods moved in about two weeks ago and they are working on converting more buildings. The warehouses are not going to stay empty. They have two buildings left to covert ( funnily enough, they are a block or two away from the prison currently housing ghislaine Maxwell), and they are doing it.

 

They aren't going to be able to build hotels now, which I'm happy about it, and they will have to deal with having less retail, but the development will continue. It will now longer be accompanied by a new school, or any other community promises, but it's happening. 

 

About two blocks past industry City is a great waterfront park, and in back of the park is a giant old warehouse that's currently in some use, and a big old parking lot. The mayor actually designated it as a spot for development of film.and fashion and the entire 6 block length is about to be converted to a new branch of steiner studios.

 

As a result, several companies that support filming, giant camera rental places and post production houses have started snapping up space at industry City. So while the whole thing isn't happening, a lot of it is and can't be stopped because it requires no rezoning. 


It's good to know that things won't be at a standstill. I used to live not too far from there. Those warehouse blocks were a great location for filming. That's the most Brooklyn-looking location in all of Brooklyn. My friend's band made a video there like 20 years ago and you could light garbage cans on fire and nobody would call 911, fuck a permit, just film and clean up after yourself.

It was a fucking dump of crackhead hookers, porno stores, strip clubs, and dodgy tire and auto body places. I like the new version better. I hate the fetishization of grimy NYC. Those were bad old days, and the people who look 'cool' in b&w pics were often suffering and exploited.

It was nice to see Sunset/IC turn into a destination for more than a $20 BJ. I had to film a cooking thing there a couple of years ago and an all avocado restaurant opened up that day. My fucking mind was blown.

Reading this makes me depressed. I dreamed of

moving to NYC ever since I rated a chick there and go to see the city for what it really is. Not just the tourist spots but the underbelly of the city. Probably the best 8 months of my entire life was spent in NYC. Going from Staten Island, to Brooklyn and Manhattan. I really didn’t get the chance to explore Queens or the Bronx but it’s so heartbreaking to see what the city has become and the what if. What if I could live there? As now the places I’ve been looking at are in the middle of no where NJ. 


Plenty of underbelly left in NYC, getting to be more and more by the day.

Kips Bay/Bellevue area and Hell's Kitchen are yuppified, but still grimy as fuck if you're looking for it

Basically anything north of 23rd and west of 9th until the UWS will be sketchy.

 

I was just reminiscing with an underwriter about HK, I lived there from 2000-2004 in the building where Michael Alig chopped up his drug dealer. 

 

Two doors down was the Edelweiss, all the trannies knew me because I owned a bulldog and would get out of work at Sony Studios on 54th and 10th and walk him at all hours of the night.

 

Now 9th ave in Hells Kitchen is pretty much the 8th ave Runway 2.0

9/23/20 8:48 PM
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9/23/20 9:05 PM
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I have told my wife about you. She gets a kick out of someone not from Staten Island loving it and wanting to move there. It is a very homogenous place, and generally people are just born there and stay there. Not many transplant.

She is from Eltingville.

We were out there the other night having dinner at La Strada in New Dorp.

 

There are homeless guys in Eltingville. Eltingville. On the South Shore. Pushing shopping carts and picking through people's trash. 

 

There was a drug related hostage situation not long before Covid in Great Kills.

 

Even Staten Island is getting it. My MIL and FIL may winter with us this year in Florida to get away from it.

Really it’s just my love of NYC, Staten Island includes but also it’s an easy commute to where I work. 
 

I mostly spent time around Forrest ave the border of West New Briton area. Plenty of times hanging out at that cool German beer garden on either Castleton or Forrest ave. My ex lived or lives (have no idea any more) on N Burgher down the hill from where the library and Church is. That area isn’t that great but you go up a block or two like we would and it was nice. 
 

I agree that the people there are as you mentioned. There have been threads about the moron who tried to fight me and the appeal is not so much the people but the atmosphere of the place. I pretty much keep to myself, always in and out of libraries, playing music and so on I just love a place that keeps moving and no sleep. 

9/23/20 10:09 PM
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People from staten island are a special breed of human, every single last one of them

9/23/20 10:37 PM
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In Limbo -

People from staten island are a special breed of human, every single last one of them

They most certainly are. Funny thing is the girl I dated over there isn’t even Italian. 

9/24/20 12:33 AM
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Anybody remember the Sickies? Used to hang near the beach in SI. One of my good friends used to live in SI and was the only one I knew with a pool. SI was like the woods to those of us from Brooklyn. You were one step away from the total redneck experience that was NJ.
9/24/20 8:50 AM
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I have told my wife about you. She gets a kick out of someone not from Staten Island loving it and wanting to move there. It is a very homogenous place, and generally people are just born there and stay there. Not many transplant.

She is from Eltingville.

We were out there the other night having dinner at La Strada in New Dorp.

 

There are homeless guys in Eltingville. Eltingville. On the South Shore. Pushing shopping carts and picking through people's trash. 

 

There was a drug related hostage situation not long before Covid in Great Kills.

 

Even Staten Island is getting it. My MIL and FIL may winter with us this year in Florida to get away from it.

Really it’s just my love of NYC, Staten Island includes but also it’s an easy commute to where I work. 
 

I mostly spent time around Forrest ave the border of West New Briton area. Plenty of times hanging out at that cool German beer garden on either Castleton or Forrest ave. My ex lived or lives (have no idea any more) on N Burgher down the hill from where the library and Church is. That area isn’t that great but you go up a block or two like we would and it was nice. 
 

I agree that the people there are as you mentioned. There have been threads about the moron who tried to fight me and the appeal is not so much the people but the atmosphere of the place. I pretty much keep to myself, always in and out of libraries, playing music and so on I just love a place that keeps moving and no sleep. 


I love Nurnberger Bierhaus.

I am a bit parital to Killmeyers for the blood sausage though.

9/24/20 9:16 AM
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I have told my wife about you. She gets a kick out of someone not from Staten Island loving it and wanting to move there. It is a very homogenous place, and generally people are just born there and stay there. Not many transplant.

She is from Eltingville.

We were out there the other night having dinner at La Strada in New Dorp.

 

There are homeless guys in Eltingville. Eltingville. On the South Shore. Pushing shopping carts and picking through people's trash. 

 

There was a drug related hostage situation not long before Covid in Great Kills.

 

Even Staten Island is getting it. My MIL and FIL may winter with us this year in Florida to get away from it.

Really it’s just my love of NYC, Staten Island includes but also it’s an easy commute to where I work. 
 

I mostly spent time around Forrest ave the border of West New Briton area. Plenty of times hanging out at that cool German beer garden on either Castleton or Forrest ave. My ex lived or lives (have no idea any more) on N Burgher down the hill from where the library and Church is. That area isn’t that great but you go up a block or two like we would and it was nice. 
 

I agree that the people there are as you mentioned. There have been threads about the moron who tried to fight me and the appeal is not so much the people but the atmosphere of the place. I pretty much keep to myself, always in and out of libraries, playing music and so on I just love a place that keeps moving and no sleep. 


I love Nurnberger Bierhaus.

I am a bit parital to Killmeyers for the blood sausage though.

That’s the place and the Mexican place not too far from there is awesome too. 

9/24/20 11:54 AM
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How many protests can we have before people stop fixing the broken windows and cleaning up the red graffiti?

9/24/20 11:59 AM
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Much of Wall Street doesn't work at bulge bracket IBs and consultants.

As we press on "taxing the rich" into next year's city council elections, the rich will all quietly leave.

Midtown east in the 50s isn't going to be the home of the hedge funds and advisors. They are clearing out of Greenwich too.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-23/hedge-funds-head-for-florida-with-taxes-on-rich-rising-elsewhere

9/24/20 12:07 PM
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I heard that as many as one million people have left the City this year.

Edited: 9/24/20 12:12 PM
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sadic1 - Anybody remember the Sickies? Used to hang near the beach in SI. One of my good friends used to live in SI and was the only one I knew with a pool. SI was like the woods to those of us from Brooklyn. You were one step away from the total redneck experience that was NJ.

i mentioned this in another NYC thread, but it was my college roommates from Staten Island who got me into Bass fishing

i always "Went fishing" down the shore, in Florida, etcsince I was a kid., but my Staten Island friends got me into serious fishing for sport and using lures......we fished random ponds in industrial parks, golf courses, old fills, etc. in Staten Island, of all places

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I heard that as many as one million people have left the City this year.

 

I don't think you will be able to repatriate them.

 

I know the claim is that other people will move to the city for opportunity and such, and I don't disagree, but those will be younger lower earners.

The main issue here is the disintegration of the tax base.

This idea of younger people and artists returning and all of that is sort of a pipe dream IMO. Sure some will come, but the budget gaps are going to be catastrophic. Also without the foundation of the tax base you can not have programs like AIR housing sibsidies and such. IT won't be a return to some time when NYC is overflowing with artists, they won't have thr programs or benefactors left to support them. New York will just become a much poorer city in fiscal crisis.

This won't be reversed until there is tax reform.

9/24/20 12:24 PM
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The Met Opera cancelled the entire season. Closed through at least Fall 2021.

https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/metropolitan-opera-will-remain-closed-until-least-fall-2021

9/24/20 12:28 PM
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^ oh that stinks

 

i spent the day in Beacon yesterday with my youngest....my friend's neighbor is selling their beautifully remodeled victorian home and there was a line of cars waiting with their realtors, taking turns to tour the home

Beacon almost seemed like a 6th boro...lots going on there

9/24/20 1:28 PM
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The only thing I will miss about the city is the restaurants and bars. Covid has shown me that my single biggest waste of money is eating and drinking out. I really want to just buy a small house and enjoy a nice gas grill and buy my beers from the liquor store. 

9/24/20 1:40 PM
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Angelina is from Staten Island. 

9/24/20 3:21 PM
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The only thing I will miss about the city is the restaurants and bars. Covid has shown me that my single biggest waste of money is eating and drinking out. I really want to just buy a small house and enjoy a nice gas grill and buy my beers from the liquor store. 


Same here.

I just ordered a grill.

I didn't go gas though, I got a PK >

9/24/20 3:31 PM
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Moose09000 - 

The only thing I will miss about the city is the restaurants and bars. Covid has shown me that my single biggest waste of money is eating and drinking out. I really want to just buy a small house and enjoy a nice gas grill and buy my beers from the liquor store. 


Same here.

I just ordered a grill.

I didn't go gas though, I got a PK >

What is PK? Those small pellets? Those are annoying if so and are more trouble than worth if you grill on the regular. 

9/24/20 4:11 PM
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Moose09000 - 
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The only thing I will miss about the city is the restaurants and bars. Covid has shown me that my single biggest waste of money is eating and drinking out. I really want to just buy a small house and enjoy a nice gas grill and buy my beers from the liquor store. 


Same here.

I just ordered a grill.

I didn't go gas though, I got a PK >

What is PK? Those small pellets? Those are annoying if so and are more trouble than worth if you grill on the regular. 


No, PK is just a charcoal/wood grill.

It has a rectangular shape and has more cooking surface than a Weber. It also has no coating on it so you can burn straight wood in it with out ruining it. Weber says not to burn wood in their kettles or you will ruin the enamel.

I is Alton Browns grill of choice, and that isn't a sponsored opinion as you can see here:

https://www.salon.com/2020/06/20/alton-brown-good-eats-grilling-pantry-salon-talks/

This is what it looks like, nothing fancy.

 

9/24/20 5:07 PM
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In Limbo - 

^ oh that stinks

 

i spent the day in Beacon yesterday with my youngest....my friend's neighbor is selling their beautifully remodeled victorian home and there was a line of cars waiting with their realtors, taking turns to tour the home

Beacon almost seemed like a 6th boro...lots going on there


I did a book event at the Farmers' Market there and almost every person that came over and shot the shit with me was from the city and moved to Beacon or from the city and moving to Beacon. That was two years ago. It was Park Slope on the Hudson
9/24/20 5:10 PM
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sadic1 - Anybody remember the Sickies? Used to hang near the beach in SI. One of my good friends used to live in SI and was the only one I knew with a pool. SI was like the woods to those of us from Brooklyn. You were one step away from the total redneck experience that was NJ.

Weren't they a punk/metal/HC crew?
9/24/20 5:45 PM
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Bobby Lupo -
In Limbo - 

^ oh that stinks

 

i spent the day in Beacon yesterday with my youngest....my friend's neighbor is selling their beautifully remodeled victorian home and there was a line of cars waiting with their realtors, taking turns to tour the home

Beacon almost seemed like a 6th boro...lots going on there


I did a book event at the Farmers' Market there and almost every person that came over and shot the shit with me was from the city and moved to Beacon or from the city and moving to Beacon. That was two years ago. It was Park Slope on the Hudson

I always enjoyed that area.  So much prime real estate in those towns, as far as residences go.

Lots of people like Kingston, but im not such a big fan of kingston.  Beacon and other towns in that Duchess county hudson corridor are much better, imo.