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RdotC - 
GSpenn fan - 

CP3's contract was even worse 


They only took on his contract because of all the picks they got.

Also, Paul's contract is shorter.

No way in hell anyone is taking on Wall's contract without getting multiple firsts... and doing that negates the whole 'rebuilding' that you're talking about.

 

they can still keep Wall''s contract and rebuild at the same time.....im trying to get Washington to be legit in 3 years...not next year...by 3 years Wall's salary will be gone and your roster will be full of rookie contracts, D leaguers and minimums during the time he is there if you cant get rid of him....when Wall's contract is off the books in a couple of years Wizards would hope to have a franchise player in his prime and something good from previous drafts....and a ton of cap space

 

 

10 days ago
1/14/07
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lmao...

No chance Washington trades for Simmons just to be shit for 3 years trying to get out from under Wall's giant contract. That GM would be canned by year 2.

You can't survive having your two highest cap hits at the same position and unable to play next to each other.
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4/2/08
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RdotC - lmao...

No chance Washington trades for Simmons just to be shit for 3 years trying to get out from under Wall's giant contract. That GM would be canned by year 2.

You can't survive having your two highest cap hits at the same position and unable to play next to each other.

They are shit right now and will be shit when Wall gets back and then they will be shit when Beal's contract is up and they lose him for nothing....yea, thats a great long term strategy....

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1/14/07
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GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - lmao...

No chance Washington trades for Simmons just to be shit for 3 years trying to get out from under Wall's giant contract. That GM would be canned by year 2.

You can't survive having your two highest cap hits at the same position and unable to play next to each other.

They are shit right now and will be shit when Wall gets back and then they will be shit when Beal's contract is up and they lose him for nothing....yea, thats a great long term strategy....


They could deal Beal to a different team... maybe one where the return won't be at the only position that they have invested in.
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4/2/08
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RdotC - 
GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - lmao...

No chance Washington trades for Simmons just to be shit for 3 years trying to get out from under Wall's giant contract. That GM would be canned by year 2.

You can't survive having your two highest cap hits at the same position and unable to play next to each other.

They are shit right now and will be shit when Wall gets back and then they will be shit when Beal's contract is up and they lose him for nothing....yea, thats a great long term strategy....


They could deal Beal to a different team... maybe one where the return won't be at the only position that they have invested in.

John Wall will not be the starting point guard for the Wizards in 3 years....they may be invested, but they will cut their losses on that front. 

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1/14/07
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GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - 
GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - lmao...

No chance Washington trades for Simmons just to be shit for 3 years trying to get out from under Wall's giant contract. That GM would be canned by year 2.

You can't survive having your two highest cap hits at the same position and unable to play next to each other.

They are shit right now and will be shit when Wall gets back and then they will be shit when Beal's contract is up and they lose him for nothing....yea, thats a great long term strategy....


They could deal Beal to a different team... maybe one where the return won't be at the only position that they have invested in.

John Wall will not be the starting point guard for the Wizards in 3 years....they may be invested, but they will cut their losses on that front. 


I don't get your rationale on this at all.

If you're a team with a giant contract with 3+ years remaining for a PG who at a time was worth that contract, why would you trade for another max contract at that position?

That leaves you no money to improve at the other 4 positions on the court. So even if Wall never is an all star again, he's going to be better than a guy you have to bring in when you're paying both Wall and Simmons.
10 days ago
4/2/08
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RdotC - 
GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - 
GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - lmao...

No chance Washington trades for Simmons just to be shit for 3 years trying to get out from under Wall's giant contract. That GM would be canned by year 2.

You can't survive having your two highest cap hits at the same position and unable to play next to each other.

They are shit right now and will be shit when Wall gets back and then they will be shit when Beal's contract is up and they lose him for nothing....yea, thats a great long term strategy....


They could deal Beal to a different team... maybe one where the return won't be at the only position that they have invested in.

John Wall will not be the starting point guard for the Wizards in 3 years....they may be invested, but they will cut their losses on that front. 


I don't get your rationale on this at all.

If you're a team with a giant contract with 3+ years remaining for a PG who at a time was worth that contract, why would you trade for another max contract at that position?

That leaves you no money to improve at the other 4 positions on the court. So even if Wall never is an all star again, he's going to be better than a guy you have to bring in when you're paying both Wall and Simmons.

because your tanking for the first 2 or 3 seasons anyway, so it doesnt matter. your just gobbling up draft picks and league minimums trying to strike gold until your franchise player becomes good enough and your dreadful contract gets off the books. 

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So you're assuming Simmons will be perfectly content being on a shit team and won't force his way out...

Pretty difficult to make a guy your centerpiece by telling them you're going to be terrible for multiple years and your only plan is to pray for draft success.
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4/2/08
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RdotC - So you're assuming Simmons will be perfectly content being on a shit team and won't force his way out...

Pretty difficult to make a guy your centerpiece by telling them you're going to be terrible for multiple years and your only plan is to pray for draft success.

Simmons is not close to good enough right now to make any kind of demands....He wont even be an all star this year in the weak East. 

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GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - So you're assuming Simmons will be perfectly content being on a shit team and won't force his way out...

Pretty difficult to make a guy your centerpiece by telling them you're going to be terrible for multiple years and your only plan is to pray for draft success.

Simmons is not close to good enough right now to make any kind of demands....He wont even be an all star this year in the weak East. 


Your hatred of Simmons is weird.

Is it just because he doesn't shoot threes? Or because he plays defense?
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10/12/19
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I had a dream I was hanging out with Simmons girl friend last night and I performed oral sex on both her holes, he came back from work milking cows and borrowed my car to go get some beers

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1/10/12
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Wow. Lot of stuff the last few pages.

 

Beal signed an extension and now can't be traded for six months after. Because he signed it in October, and not the beginning of the league year, his contract can't be moved until April. Since the trade deadline is in early February, he can't be traded this season.

 

Harden is incredibly effective in ISO but that's not all he does and not many people could match it. He scores 1.15 points per possession there, which is in the 88th percentile despite the massive possessions in ISO. Players that increase their usage usually lose efficiency as the low hanging fruit becomes a smaller part of the sample size. But ISO is still only 40% of Harden's possessions.

Westbrook takes the second most possessions in ISO and only scores 0.78 PPP, good for the 33rd percentile despite having the same teammates.

 

Player X gets 98.8 touches per game, and averages 5.19 dribbles and 5.60 seconds per touch.

Player Y gets 87.1 touches per game, and averages 5.69 dribbles and 5.95 seconds per touch.

They both obviously are the primary ball handlers for their teams. Anyone want to guess who they are?

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4/2/08
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RdotC - 
GSpenn fan - 
RdotC - So you're assuming Simmons will be perfectly content being on a shit team and won't force his way out...

Pretty difficult to make a guy your centerpiece by telling them you're going to be terrible for multiple years and your only plan is to pray for draft success.

Simmons is not close to good enough right now to make any kind of demands....He wont even be an all star this year in the weak East. 


Your hatred of Simmons is weird.

Is it just because he doesn't shoot threes? Or because he plays defense?

How is anything that I said "Hatred" Ben Simmons is a bad got next to Embid if that team is going to be contenders. Both players would be better off. That's all there is to it.
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4/2/08
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SmackyBear - 

Wow. Lot of stuff the last few pages.

 

Beal signed an extension and now can't be traded for six months after. Because he signed it in October, and not the beginning of the league year, his contract can't be moved until April. Since the trade deadline is in early February, he can't be traded this season.

 

Harden is incredibly effective in ISO but that's not all he does and not many people could match it. He scores 1.15 points per possession there, which is in the 88th percentile despite the massive possessions in ISO. Players that increase their usage usually lose efficiency as the low hanging fruit becomes a smaller part of the sample size. But ISO is still only 40% of Harden's possessions.

Westbrook takes the second most possessions in ISO and only scores 0.78 PPP, good for the 33rd percentile despite having the same teammates.

 

Player X gets 98.8 touches per game, and averages 5.19 dribbles and 5.60 seconds per touch.

Player Y gets 87.1 touches per game, and averages 5.69 dribbles and 5.95 seconds per touch.

They both obviously are the primary ball handlers for their teams. Anyone want to guess who they are?


Luka
10 days ago
1/10/12
Posts: 942
GSpenn fan -
SmackyBear - 

Wow. Lot of stuff the last few pages.

 

Beal signed an extension and now can't be traded for six months after. Because he signed it in October, and not the beginning of the league year, his contract can't be moved until April. Since the trade deadline is in early February, he can't be traded this season.

 

Harden is incredibly effective in ISO but that's not all he does and not many people could match it. He scores 1.15 points per possession there, which is in the 88th percentile despite the massive possessions in ISO. Players that increase their usage usually lose efficiency as the low hanging fruit becomes a smaller part of the sample size. But ISO is still only 40% of Harden's possessions.

Westbrook takes the second most possessions in ISO and only scores 0.78 PPP, good for the 33rd percentile despite having the same teammates.

 

Player X gets 98.8 touches per game, and averages 5.19 dribbles and 5.60 seconds per touch.

Player Y gets 87.1 touches per game, and averages 5.69 dribbles and 5.95 seconds per touch.

They both obviously are the primary ball handlers for their teams. Anyone want to guess who they are?


Luka

Damn you're good. So you can probably answer the next question. Why is the extra half dribble Harden takes intolerable?

10 days ago
1/14/07
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SmackyBear - 
GSpenn fan -
SmackyBear - 

Wow. Lot of stuff the last few pages.

 

Beal signed an extension and now can't be traded for six months after. Because he signed it in October, and not the beginning of the league year, his contract can't be moved until April. Since the trade deadline is in early February, he can't be traded this season.

 

Harden is incredibly effective in ISO but that's not all he does and not many people could match it. He scores 1.15 points per possession there, which is in the 88th percentile despite the massive possessions in ISO. Players that increase their usage usually lose efficiency as the low hanging fruit becomes a smaller part of the sample size. But ISO is still only 40% of Harden's possessions.

Westbrook takes the second most possessions in ISO and only scores 0.78 PPP, good for the 33rd percentile despite having the same teammates.

 

Player X gets 98.8 touches per game, and averages 5.19 dribbles and 5.60 seconds per touch.

Player Y gets 87.1 touches per game, and averages 5.69 dribbles and 5.95 seconds per touch.

They both obviously are the primary ball handlers for their teams. Anyone want to guess who they are?


Luka

Damn you're good. So you can probably answer the next question. Why is the extra half dribble Harden takes intolerable?


Isnt Luka primarily bringing the ball up the court while Westbrook primarily brings it up for Houston.

Harden gets the ball past half court generally which would mean his seconds and dribbles are more egregious.

Boom. Roasted.
10 days ago
4/2/08
Posts: 11266
RdotC - 
SmackyBear - 
GSpenn fan -
SmackyBear - 

Wow. Lot of stuff the last few pages.

 

Beal signed an extension and now can't be traded for six months after. Because he signed it in October, and not the beginning of the league year, his contract can't be moved until April. Since the trade deadline is in early February, he can't be traded this season.

 

Harden is incredibly effective in ISO but that's not all he does and not many people could match it. He scores 1.15 points per possession there, which is in the 88th percentile despite the massive possessions in ISO. Players that increase their usage usually lose efficiency as the low hanging fruit becomes a smaller part of the sample size. But ISO is still only 40% of Harden's possessions.

Westbrook takes the second most possessions in ISO and only scores 0.78 PPP, good for the 33rd percentile despite having the same teammates.

 

Player X gets 98.8 touches per game, and averages 5.19 dribbles and 5.60 seconds per touch.

Player Y gets 87.1 touches per game, and averages 5.69 dribbles and 5.95 seconds per touch.

They both obviously are the primary ball handlers for their teams. Anyone want to guess who they are?


Luka

Damn you're good. So you can probably answer the next question. Why is the extra half dribble Harden takes intolerable?


Isnt Luka primarily bringing the ball up the court while Westbrook primarily brings it up for Houston.

Harden gets the ball past half court generally which would mean his seconds and dribbles are more egregious.

Boom. Roasted.

Correct. 

 

I will also add that the Mavs have the 13th most team assists per game while Houston, like every year is in the bottom 5 in team assists. 

the ball moves a lot more in Dallas than is does in Houston despite Luka's amount of touches. 

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4/2/08
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Luka is also the teams leading rebounder which accounts for more touches/dribbles/ time with the ball etc....

10 days ago
11/24/05
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RdotC -
SmackyBear - 
GSpenn fan -
SmackyBear - 

Wow. Lot of stuff the last few pages.

 

Beal signed an extension and now can't be traded for six months after. Because he signed it in October, and not the beginning of the league year, his contract can't be moved until April. Since the trade deadline is in early February, he can't be traded this season.

 

Harden is incredibly effective in ISO but that's not all he does and not many people could match it. He scores 1.15 points per possession there, which is in the 88th percentile despite the massive possessions in ISO. Players that increase their usage usually lose efficiency as the low hanging fruit becomes a smaller part of the sample size. But ISO is still only 40% of Harden's possessions.

Westbrook takes the second most possessions in ISO and only scores 0.78 PPP, good for the 33rd percentile despite having the same teammates.

 

Player X gets 98.8 touches per game, and averages 5.19 dribbles and 5.60 seconds per touch.

Player Y gets 87.1 touches per game, and averages 5.69 dribbles and 5.95 seconds per touch.

They both obviously are the primary ball handlers for their teams. Anyone want to guess who they are?


Luka

Damn you're good. So you can probably answer the next question. Why is the extra half dribble Harden takes intolerable?


Isnt Luka primarily bringing the ball up the court while Westbrook primarily brings it up for Houston.

Harden gets the ball past half court generally which would mean his seconds and dribbles are more egregious.

Boom. Roasted.

Wrong. Harden primarily brings the ball up for a Houston. 

10 days ago
1/10/12
Posts: 943
GSpenn fan -
RdotC - 
SmackyBear - 
GSpenn fan -
SmackyBear - 

Wow. Lot of stuff the last few pages.

 

Beal signed an extension and now can't be traded for six months after. Because he signed it in October, and not the beginning of the league year, his contract can't be moved until April. Since the trade deadline is in early February, he can't be traded this season.

 

Harden is incredibly effective in ISO but that's not all he does and not many people could match it. He scores 1.15 points per possession there, which is in the 88th percentile despite the massive possessions in ISO. Players that increase their usage usually lose efficiency as the low hanging fruit becomes a smaller part of the sample size. But ISO is still only 40% of Harden's possessions.

Westbrook takes the second most possessions in ISO and only scores 0.78 PPP, good for the 33rd percentile despite having the same teammates.

 

Player X gets 98.8 touches per game, and averages 5.19 dribbles and 5.60 seconds per touch.

Player Y gets 87.1 touches per game, and averages 5.69 dribbles and 5.95 seconds per touch.

They both obviously are the primary ball handlers for their teams. Anyone want to guess who they are?


Luka

Damn you're good. So you can probably answer the next question. Why is the extra half dribble Harden takes intolerable?


Isnt Luka primarily bringing the ball up the court while Westbrook primarily brings it up for Houston.

Harden gets the ball past half court generally which would mean his seconds and dribbles are more egregious.

Boom. Roasted.

Correct. 

 

I will also add that the Mavs have the 13th most team assists per game while Houston, like every year is in the bottom 5 in team assists. 

the ball moves a lot more in Dallas than is does in Houston despite Luka's amount of touches. 

Front court touches:

Harden - 26.0

Luka - 34.6

So Harden gets the ball in the backcourt a lot.

And the team that goes in ISO 20% of their possessions has fewer assists that one that does 5% of the time. But on non-ISO plays Houston's AST/FG is higher. So they are good passers, they just try to take advantage of Harden's ability. Dantoni would surely rather do his 7 seconds or less offense.

I'm not arguing any style is more appealling since it's a matter of opinion. But it's weird that people think Houston only does ISO when it's literally a fifth of their possessions. And many of these people who hate ISO love the 90's NBA where ISO was much more common. I hate Houston too, but it's not about ISO or dribbles, it's the whining.

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1/14/07
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Harden's ISO possessions per game: 13.8

Thats more than the number 2 and 3 players combined... and is more than Dame Lillard, Lebron James, and Luka Doncic combined.

His ISO frequency is 39.4%.

He is the most ISO dependent player ever.
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8/11/12
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RdotC - Harden's ISO possessions per game: 13.8

Thats more than the number 2 and 3 players combined... and is more than Dame Lillard, Lebron James, and Luka Doncic combined.

His ISO frequency is 39.4%.

He is the most ISO dependent player ever.

Fuck him and his disgusting beard, he plays bitch basketball.

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10/30/05
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Balls Mahoney -
RdotC - Harden's ISO possessions per game: 13.8

Thats more than the number 2 and 3 players combined... and is more than Dame Lillard, Lebron James, and Luka Doncic combined.

His ISO frequency is 39.4%.

He is the most ISO dependent player ever.

Fuck him and his disgusting beard, he plays bitch basketball.

C’mon, dude has a nice beard. 

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11/24/05
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Goochy Mang -
Balls Mahoney -
RdotC - Harden's ISO possessions per game: 13.8

Thats more than the number 2 and 3 players combined... and is more than Dame Lillard, Lebron James, and Luka Doncic combined.

His ISO frequency is 39.4%.

He is the most ISO dependent player ever.

Fuck him and his disgusting beard, he plays bitch basketball.

C’mon, dude has a nice beard. 

It is pretty nice lol

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4/2/08
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Luka 33 points, 18 rebounds and 5 assists after 3 quarters.