OtherGround Forums Official Impeachment Inquiry Hearing Thread

11/13/19 10:19 AM
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Pedro Navaja -
Pilgor the goat - 
ksacs revenge -

Sorry, you little authoritarians, but the US is a representative democracy. Trump isn't king and and should be held to very high standards as president.

K, so explain to an outsider please, why is what Trump is accused of different and/or worse than what Biden admits to on video? 


It's been discussed ad nauseum, but here we go again.

When Biden fired the prosecutor, he was acting on bipartisan interests of the US government (both R and D supported the firing), interests of the EU, and the IMF.

He did not hide anything, he spoke it out in the open because it was a WIDELY supported move. There was no direct personal benefit to Biden.

Whereas Trump withheld bipartisan approved support to Ukraine, secretly through back channels, conducting shadow foreign policy, all with the primary goal of helping Trump himself in the 2020 election. 

Lol

 

Edited: 11/13/19 10:20 AM
2/4/09
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Pedro Navaja -
Pilgor the goat - 
ksacs revenge -

Sorry, you little authoritarians, but the US is a representative democracy. Trump isn't king and and should be held to very high standards as president.

K, so explain to an outsider please, why is what Trump is accused of different and/or worse than what Biden admits to on video? 

 

It's been discussed ad nauseum, but here we go again.

When Biden fired the prosecutor, he was acting on bipartisan interests of the US government (both R and D supported the firing), interests of the EU, and the IMF.

He did not hide anything, he spoke it out in the open because it was a WIDELY supported move. There was no direct personal benefit to Biden.

Whereas Trump withheld bipartisan approved support to Ukraine, secretly through back channels, conducting shadow foreign policy, all with the primary goal of helping Trump himself in the 2020 election. 

Can you show statements and claims of those supporting the firing please

 

Not vague blanketed quotes. I want sources 

 

I'll leave you this thread so you can get a head start

 

 

11/13/19 10:24 AM
3/6/06
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Mother Trucker -
ksacs revenge - 

Sorry, you little authoritarians, but the US is a representative democracy. Trump isn't king and and should be held to very high standards as president.


True but this isn't a crime nor an impeachable offense. It's a dog and pony show that will go no where

The Democrats are going to impeach him for it, there's about a 100% chance of it being impeachable.

11/13/19 10:27 AM
1/1/01
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The democrats are going to impeach him. The republicans are going to exonerate him. He'll likely win again in 2020. Nothing will happen.
11/13/19 10:28 AM
6/30/07
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FETT_Loadin76_TFK -

Sub for the shit show

This

11/13/19 10:32 AM
3/6/06
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Mother Trucker - If the Dems vote this garbage through they will lose the house, a couple more seats in the senate and Trump will get reelected. All of the witnesses they won't allow the Republicans to call will be called in the Senate as will Schiff and his staff who played a huge role in the whistleblower complaint. This will be exposed for the clown show it is.

Impeachment is popular and tons of Republicans have already abandoned the house since they know they won't be back in power.  The idea of Republicans taking the house seems crazy.

Calling Hunter Biden and the whistleblower won't help the Republicans.  It just reminds everyone that Republicans and Democrats are wings of the same bird.  Calling them is admitting there is no legitimate defense of Trumps behavior.  Especially since they already clowned themselves with the process and no quid pro quo arguments.

The fed lowering rates almost certainly gets Trump elected.

The map favors them in the Senate and they have a sitting President so Republicans are likely to do well in the Senate.

11/13/19 10:32 AM
6/30/07
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Hell, even npr yesterday said yes he used his power as POTUS but he didn't abuse it and certainly isn't the first president to play hardball and walk close to the line.

 

11/13/19 10:35 AM
11/20/13
Posts: 9110
Mountain Medic -

Hell, even npr yesterday said yes he used his power as POTUS but he didn't abuse it and certainly isn't the first president to play hardball and walk close to the line.

 

Who is NPR? Are you talking about a guest they had on, or the interviewer? Which one?

Edited: 11/13/19 10:37 AM
4/27/14
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Wait, what? Did Schiff just say he doesn't know the identity of the whistleblower?

 

11/13/19 10:37 AM
1/1/01
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nice tie
11/13/19 10:37 AM
3/16/11
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ksacs revenge -
Pilgor the goat -
ksacs revenge -

Sorry, you little authoritarians, but the US is a representative democracy. Trump isn't king and and should be held to very high standards as president.

K, so explain to an outsider please, why is what Trump is accused of different and/or worse than what Biden admits to on video? 

Lol, really? This has been explained a thousand times on here. And if what Biden did was wrong, then why isn't what Trump did wrong?

 

Or you know, just roll over again for Trump.

I think both were wrong, and if both got lit up for it, this whole thing would make sense. Everything Schiff just said about the facts of the circumstance applies equally to Biden using the same standard of proof to anyone who isn't locked into a partisan view. Sure you can "explain" why it's different, but that doesn't mean it isnt just as bad. Impeach trump and put him and Biden in jail. Fair is fair. 

11/13/19 10:37 AM
8/1/13
Posts: 21885

Kent is already a disaster with that faggoty bowtie. 

11/13/19 10:37 AM
3/6/06
Posts: 30083
Mountain Medic -

Hell, even npr yesterday said yes he used his power as POTUS but he didn't abuse it and certainly isn't the first president to play hardball and walk close to the line.

 

Even some Republicans say it is impeachable if he did it for personal gain.

 

See how silly that kind of argument is.

11/13/19 10:38 AM
4/29/09
Posts: 24326

I just can’t look at Schiffs bug eyes, they are creepy as hell.  Hard to belive a woman let’s that climb on top of her lol.  

Edited: 11/13/19 10:44 AM
11/20/13
Posts: 9112
Pilgor the goat -
ksacs revenge -
Pilgor the goat -
ksacs revenge -

Sorry, you little authoritarians, but the US is a representative democracy. Trump isn't king and and should be held to very high standards as president.

K, so explain to an outsider please, why is what Trump is accused of different and/or worse than what Biden admits to on video? 

Lol, really? This has been explained a thousand times on here. And if what Biden did was wrong, then why isn't what Trump did wrong?

 

Or you know, just roll over again for Trump.

I think both were wrong, and if both got lit up for it, this whole thing would make sense. Everything Schiff just said about the facts of the circumstance applies equally to Biden using the same standard of proof to anyone who isn't locked into a partisan view. Sure you can "explain" why it's different, but that doesn't mean it isnt just as bad. Impeach trump and put him and Biden in jail. Fair is fair. 

So Trump gets away with it because Biden gets away with it? Please, try to have a bit higher standards, especially for those who have so much power. Your moral compass operates strangely in my opinion. 

 

Sorry, missed the last line. I see you want fairness. That's fine, but someone already explained the difference if you hadn't already read it a hundred times on the OG.

11/13/19 10:42 AM
8/22/08
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The Stewed Owl - 

Wait, what? Did Schiff just say he doesn't know the identity of the whistleblower?

 


He sure did. Lied with a straight face.
11/13/19 10:43 AM
8/1/13
Posts: 21886
Chomas -

I just can’t look at Schiffs bug eyes, they are creepy as hell.  Hard to belive a woman let’s that climb on top of her lol.  

They don't. Schiff is a poof!

11/13/19 10:44 AM
12/28/12
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ksacs revenge -
Mountain Medic -

Hell, even npr yesterday said yes he used his power as POTUS but he didn't abuse it and certainly isn't the first president to play hardball and walk close to the line.

 

Who is NPR? Are you talking about a guest they had on, or the interviewer? Which one?

Even radio said so

11/13/19 10:45 AM
3/6/06
Posts: 30084
Pilgor the goat -
ksacs revenge -
Pilgor the goat -
ksacs revenge -

Sorry, you little authoritarians, but the US is a representative democracy. Trump isn't king and and should be held to very high standards as president.

K, so explain to an outsider please, why is what Trump is accused of different and/or worse than what Biden admits to on video? 

Lol, really? This has been explained a thousand times on here. And if what Biden did was wrong, then why isn't what Trump did wrong?

 

Or you know, just roll over again for Trump.

I think both were wrong, and if both got lit up for it, this whole thing would make sense. Everything Schiff just said about the facts of the circumstance applies equally to Biden using the same standard of proof to anyone who isn't locked into a partisan view. Sure you can "explain" why it's different, but that doesn't mean it isnt just as bad. Impeach trump and put him and Biden in jail. Fair is fair. 

Yes, Biden as VP asking to have a foreign prosecutor removed on behalf of the US is very similar to Trump asking the President of Ukraine to pretend a debunked conspiracy theory is real for political gain,

 

There's a reason Biden bragged about being the one who got to do what he did and Trump hid what he did on a secret server.

11/13/19 10:46 AM
3/6/06
Posts: 30085

Whataboutism is rarely a good argument, but "what about this totally dissimilar situation is extra bad."

11/13/19 10:47 AM
3/6/06
Posts: 30086
ksacs revenge -
Mountain Medic -

Hell, even npr yesterday said yes he used his power as POTUS but he didn't abuse it and certainly isn't the first president to play hardball and walk close to the line.

 

Who is NPR? Are you talking about a guest they had on, or the interviewer? Which one?

He meant NPH.  He said while stoned and eating White Castle burgers.

11/13/19 10:48 AM
8/12/19
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ksacs revenge -

Sorry, you little authoritarians, but the US is a representative democracy. Trump isn't king and and should be held to very high standards as president.

Now do liberal messiah Obama?

11/13/19 10:48 AM
1/1/01
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I know these are just opening statements...but this is going to be another boring dud if it keeps up like this
11/13/19 10:52 AM
11/16/08
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I Kent wait for this guy to stfu.

11/13/19 10:54 AM
8/22/08
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I No Kung Foo - 

I Kent wait for this guy to stfu.


Fucking struggling to stay awake.