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8/8/19 2:47 PM
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Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

Obviously Bruce was holding back because his hands were registered as deadly weapons.

I kind of wonder if the ole gene and Segal incident was an inspiration for Bruce's portrayal

I'm surprised not a lot of people are upset at the portrayal. I think it might be closer to home than most want to admit. He's kind of become a legend you know what I mean and is usually portrayed in that sort of way

Lee's daughter is pissed.

Why? How did they portray him? Did they show him using drugs and fucking around with mistresses like he did in real life? 

Quentin showed him for exactly who he was: A fraudulent "martial artist" who spent his time being the "cool kung fu friend to the stars" to advance his career.

Think that's a bit unfair. He clearly was a serious martial artist. He wasn't some dabbler. Plus too many legit people praised his skills for him to be a paper tiger. 


LOL. His only formal training was like 2 years of shitty wing chun kung fu. He'd get laughed off this message board if he started talking martial arts.

He was an "exotic" eastern actor who had western appeal and was really good looking. The people that praise his skills were people who benefited from his star status. The dude didn't even spar.

That's like saying wilt, gervin, russell, west all really suck as basketball players

Bruce Lee was a joke, even for his time. We've been around the block a million times on this. Even in the 1960's there were real martial artists taking part in real fights, and Bruce wasn't among them.

Shit, this footage of Ron Van Clief is only 8 years after Lee's death, and he was fucking WRECKING people in real fights.

 

Bruce Lee was a fraud. White belts on this site who have competed in a couple of Long Beach jiu-jitsu tournaments, ammy boxers who have competed in a Golden Gloves tournament, high school junior varsity wrestlers, they have more practical fight experience than Bruce Lee.

8/8/19 4:03 PM
2/20/09
Posts: 15375
Hey Bro -

The movie was one of his worst movies. Long, uneven, rambling, and philosophically pretentious. It sucks because I was so hyped to see it. I just don't understand his choices. It seemed like he was going for a "Tarantino film" more than a good movie.

I'm at a loss as to how you arrive at these conclusions.  

Long?  Yup, lol, no argument.

Uneven?  I'm not sure what you mean.

Rambling?  Fair.  There were indeed quite a few  unnecessary scenes.  I guess the difference is that I enjoyed all of them.

Philosophically prententious?

Again, I'm at a loss.  

I thought it was masterful.  Look up the Manson Murders.  What they did to Sharon Tate was beyond horrific.  I didn't want to see that.

And I didn't.  But being led to that point throughout an entire film was rough.  A build-up to a horror I honestly didn't want to see.  

To then have it go so wonderfully, violently, hilariously off the rails in a direction I didn't see was both a relief and a catharsis of sorts.

I've know my whole life what those fucking shitbags did on that night.  To see them NOT get to do it and to pay so gloriously was boss.

 

I also appreciate the depiction of the Manson kids.  No glorification.  No paying homage to their counter-culture place in current pop culture.  Just some inbred, dirty, brainwashed losers.  To rob them of their historical mystique was art in and of itself.

I'm going again this Sunday.

8/8/19 4:23 PM
2/20/09
Posts: 15380
notsobigmike -
Viper has the Lead -

I thought it was great.

 

Loose structure, like a Euro film from the 70s, but it kept me very entertained.

 

Pitts ride home in his old karmann Ghia was riveting. Music, cinematography. All excellent.

 

So many great acting performances too.

 

Pitt was great as Mr.Cool, but I thought DiCaprio did a great job too playing an insecure past his prime actor.

 

And whoever the little girl is who stole a scene or two from DiCaprio, she has a bright future

I think it was two of the best performances from Pitt and Leo.

 

At first, Pitt was the one that really struck me.  Even though he doesn't even have that many lines - he just radiates coolness and confidence.

 

But the more I thought about it, the more I'm impressed by Leo.  He kind of operates on three different levels

 

1) the off-camera side of him that's insecure, has a bit of a stutter, and a tendency to break eye contact

2) the TV version of him where he's more confident and performative, but he's not ACTING acting - it's more like he's hitting his marks and saying his lines

3) after he gets inspired by the little girl and flips out in his trailer and then you see him straight turn it ON with his performance.

 

QT really brings out the best in Leo.

Yup.

I feel like Pitt killed it because he played.... well Brad Pitt, Lol.

Leo had the much more difficult role and hit it out of the park.

8/8/19 5:30 PM
6/29/15
Posts: 1506
donkypunch55 -
Hey Bro -

The movie was one of his worst movies. Long, uneven, rambling, and philosophically pretentious. It sucks because I was so hyped to see it. I just don't understand his choices. It seemed like he was going for a "Tarantino film" more than a good movie.

I'm at a loss as to how you arrive at these conclusions.  

Long?  Yup, lol, no argument.

Uneven?  I'm not sure what you mean.

Rambling?  Fair.  There were indeed quite a few  unnecessary scenes.  I guess the difference is that I enjoyed all of them.

Philosophically prententious?

Again, I'm at a loss.  

I thought it was masterful.  Look up the Manson Murders.  What they did to Sharon Tate was beyond horrific.  I didn't want to see that.

And I didn't.  But being led to that point throughout an entire film was rough.  A build-up to a horror I honestly didn't want to see.  

To then have it go so wonderfully, violently, hilariously off the rails in a direction I didn't see was both a relief and a catharsis of sorts.

I've know my whole life what those fucking shitbags did on that night.  To see them NOT get to do it and to pay so gloriously was boss.

 

I also appreciate the depiction of the Manson kids.  No glorification.  No paying homage to their counter-culture place in current pop culture.  Just some inbred, dirty, brainwashed losers.  To rob them of their historical mystique was art in and of itself.

I'm going again this Sunday.

What i meant by pretentious is that Tarantino is trying give a message, but is so abstract, it comes off annoying.

It was uneven in the sense that the story stuggles to be tied together, and certain scenes out shine others or last too long.

 

I'm a huge true crime fan. I'm familar with the barbarity of the crimes. But it seems that the mansion sstoryline is only a device to end the movie. 

8/8/19 6:01 PM
5/16/19
Posts: 2025
donkypunch55 -
notsobigmike -
Viper has the Lead -

I thought it was great.

 

Loose structure, like a Euro film from the 70s, but it kept me very entertained.

 

Pitts ride home in his old karmann Ghia was riveting. Music, cinematography. All excellent.

 

So many great acting performances too.

 

Pitt was great as Mr.Cool, but I thought DiCaprio did a great job too playing an insecure past his prime actor.

 

And whoever the little girl is who stole a scene or two from DiCaprio, she has a bright future

I think it was two of the best performances from Pitt and Leo.

 

At first, Pitt was the one that really struck me.  Even though he doesn't even have that many lines - he just radiates coolness and confidence.

 

But the more I thought about it, the more I'm impressed by Leo.  He kind of operates on three different levels

 

1) the off-camera side of him that's insecure, has a bit of a stutter, and a tendency to break eye contact

2) the TV version of him where he's more confident and performative, but he's not ACTING acting - it's more like he's hitting his marks and saying his lines

3) after he gets inspired by the little girl and flips out in his trailer and then you see him straight turn it ON with his performance.

 

QT really brings out the best in Leo.

Yup.

I feel like Pitt killed it because he played.... well Brad Pitt, Lol.

Leo had the much more difficult role and hit it out of the park.

Agreed

8/8/19 6:07 PM
3/12/14
Posts: 11976

I enjoyed it a lot. Didn't feel long and I was kind of disappointed when it ended.  

 

I'm still confused as to what the Bruce Lee problem is. Is it because of his pontificating? Is it that a fictional character didn't cry when challenged by him?

 

 

 

8/8/19 6:13 PM
4/9/16
Posts: 1716

Did not care for it at all.  I loved all QT's movies (Except Jackie Brown.  Liked it, didn't love it) but man this one I just could not get into at all.  I thought the acting was tremendous but I thought it lacked the elite dialogue and cinematography of his other movies.  

Critics loved it so there's that.  

8/8/19 6:20 PM
8/31/18
Posts: 1003
Conor McGazelle -

I enjoyed it a lot. Didn't feel long and I was kind of disappointed when it ended.  

 

I'm still confused as to what the Bruce Lee problem is. Is it because of his pontificating? Is it that a fictional character didn't cry when challenged by him?

 

 

 

So they definitely took some shots at him. They made it seem like he was the type to bragadociously start a fight with a stuntman. They went out of there way to mention he was protected by the movie people. As he was a star. And he seemed to be more in line with that guy that conor hires to touch his butt in the sand than say what we usually see Bruce portrayed as which is beyond serious almost legend like martial artist

8/8/19 6:26 PM
1/25/19
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Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

Obviously Bruce was holding back because his hands were registered as deadly weapons.

I kind of wonder if the ole gene and Segal incident was an inspiration for Bruce's portrayal

I'm surprised not a lot of people are upset at the portrayal. I think it might be closer to home than most want to admit. He's kind of become a legend you know what I mean and is usually portrayed in that sort of way

Lee's daughter is pissed.

Why? How did they portray him? Did they show him using drugs and fucking around with mistresses like he did in real life? 

Quentin showed him for exactly who he was: A fraudulent "martial artist" who spent his time being the "cool kung fu friend to the stars" to advance his career.

Think that's a bit unfair. He clearly was a serious martial artist. He wasn't some dabbler. Plus too many legit people praised his skills for him to be a paper tiger. 


i thought that entire fight scene was supposed to be cliff booth imagining it, like a what if if he was on the set. he was up there fixing the atennea, then after the scene he says, "thats about right". not it that matters that much but since the movie is mostly fake anyway, but i thought it was almost like a dream sequence
8/8/19 6:35 PM
3/12/14
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Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

Obviously Bruce was holding back because his hands were registered as deadly weapons.

I kind of wonder if the ole gene and Segal incident was an inspiration for Bruce's portrayal

I'm surprised not a lot of people are upset at the portrayal. I think it might be closer to home than most want to admit. He's kind of become a legend you know what I mean and is usually portrayed in that sort of way

Lee's daughter is pissed.

Why? How did they portray him? Did they show him using drugs and fucking around with mistresses like he did in real life? 

Quentin showed him for exactly who he was: A fraudulent "martial artist" who spent his time being the "cool kung fu friend to the stars" to advance his career.

Think that's a bit unfair. He clearly was a serious martial artist. He wasn't some dabbler. Plus too many legit people praised his skills for him to be a paper tiger. 


i thought that entire fight scene was supposed to be cliff booth imagining it, like a what if if he was on the set. he was up there fixing the atennea, then after the scene he says, "thats about right". not it that matters that much but since the movie is mostly fake anyway, but i thought it was almost like a dream sequence

Yeah, it's his recollection of this encounter. 

 

People just love being mad, I guess? 

 

I heard the negative Lee stuff before seeing it, I was expecting an actual reason.

8/8/19 6:41 PM
8/31/18
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Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

Obviously Bruce was holding back because his hands were registered as deadly weapons.

I kind of wonder if the ole gene and Segal incident was an inspiration for Bruce's portrayal

I'm surprised not a lot of people are upset at the portrayal. I think it might be closer to home than most want to admit. He's kind of become a legend you know what I mean and is usually portrayed in that sort of way

Lee's daughter is pissed.

Why? How did they portray him? Did they show him using drugs and fucking around with mistresses like he did in real life? 

Quentin showed him for exactly who he was: A fraudulent "martial artist" who spent his time being the "cool kung fu friend to the stars" to advance his career.

Think that's a bit unfair. He clearly was a serious martial artist. He wasn't some dabbler. Plus too many legit people praised his skills for him to be a paper tiger. 


i thought that entire fight scene was supposed to be cliff booth imagining it, like a what if if he was on the set. he was up there fixing the atennea, then after the scene he says, "thats about right". not it that matters that much but since the movie is mostly fake anyway, but i thought it was almost like a dream sequence

I thought it was a flashback explaining why leo speaking to the green hornet crew would make no difference

8/8/19 6:48 PM
9/26/10
Posts: 20202
Viper has the Lead -

I thought it was great.

 

Loose structure, like a Euro film from the 70s, but it kept me very entertained.

 

Pitts ride home in his old karmann Ghia was riveting. Music, cinematography. All excellent.

 

So many great acting performances too.

 

Pitt was great as Mr.Cool, but I thought DiCaprio did a great job too playing an insecure past his prime actor.

 

And whoever the little girl is who stole a scene or two from DiCaprio, she has a bright future

ha. that driving scene had me driving home from the movie like an asshole. wishing i didn't have a top on my car. Also, like mad men, watching this made me feel like smoking cigarettes is very cool...which is obviously 100% FALSE!

8/8/19 6:53 PM
9/26/10
Posts: 20203

anyway, i loved the movie. it was just aesthetically awesome. And pitt and dicaprio were tremendous. 

the friend i saw it with thought it was just meh. Okay movie. I'm not sure if he really got that the whole buildup was supposed to be to the tate manson thing. 

 It isn't going to be for everybody. 

8/8/19 7:08 PM
10/10/15
Posts: 937

I loved it except for the last two minutes after Pitt goes to the hospital.

8/8/19 8:25 PM
2/20/09
Posts: 15381
SevenFive -

I loved it except for the last two minutes after Pitt goes to the hospital.

Why?

8/8/19 8:34 PM
9/22/16
Posts: 17135
SevenFive -

I loved it except for the last two minutes after Pitt goes to the hospital.

She took so many sleeping pills, she'll be asleep til Columbus Day!

8/8/19 8:38 PM
1/18/03
Posts: 17730

I legit wanted to see a Tarentino directed Manson murder, so I was disappointed that it did not happen.

It seemed almost as if Tarentino chickened out, as if he was too in love with Sharon Tate/Margot Robbie to have her butchered.

8/8/19 8:52 PM
8/31/18
Posts: 1006
effinggoof - I legit wanted to see a Tarentino directed Manson murder, so I was disappointed that it did not happen.

It seemed almost as if Tarentino chickened out, as if he was too in love with Sharon Tate/Margot Robbie to have her butchered.

I wouldn't say he chickened out but he does seem to like both. It's one thing to brutally kill your own characters and another to make some weird gore reannactment of a real person like Tate especially when the real life thing is already so over the top and just evil.. I don't think I would've enjoyed the latter

8/8/19 8:56 PM
8/20/15
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Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

Obviously Bruce was holding back because his hands were registered as deadly weapons.

I kind of wonder if the ole gene and Segal incident was an inspiration for Bruce's portrayal

I'm surprised not a lot of people are upset at the portrayal. I think it might be closer to home than most want to admit. He's kind of become a legend you know what I mean and is usually portrayed in that sort of way

Lee's daughter is pissed.

Why? How did they portray him? Did they show him using drugs and fucking around with mistresses like he did in real life? 

Quentin showed him for exactly who he was: A fraudulent "martial artist" who spent his time being the "cool kung fu friend to the stars" to advance his career.

Think that's a bit unfair. He clearly was a serious martial artist. He wasn't some dabbler. Plus too many legit people praised his skills for him to be a paper tiger. 


LOL. His only formal training was like 2 years of shitty wing chun kung fu. He'd get laughed off this message board if he started talking martial arts.

He was an "exotic" eastern actor who had western appeal and was really good looking. The people that praise his skills were people who benefited from his star status. The dude didn't even spar.

That's like saying wilt, gervin, russell, west all really suck as basketball players

Im not on either side here, but your analogy is far from correct.

8/8/19 9:01 PM
8/20/15
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skad -
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thedogofdogs -

Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

Obviously Bruce was holding back because his hands were registered as deadly weapons.

I kind of wonder if the ole gene and Segal incident was an inspiration for Bruce's portrayal

I'm surprised not a lot of people are upset at the portrayal. I think it might be closer to home than most want to admit. He's kind of become a legend you know what I mean and is usually portrayed in that sort of way

Lee's daughter is pissed.

Why? How did they portray him? Did they show him using drugs and fucking around with mistresses like he did in real life? 

Quentin showed him for exactly who he was: A fraudulent "martial artist" who spent his time being the "cool kung fu friend to the stars" to advance his career.

Think that's a bit unfair. He clearly was a serious martial artist. He wasn't some dabbler. Plus too many legit people praised his skills for him to be a paper tiger. 


i thought that entire fight scene was supposed to be cliff booth imagining it, like a what if if he was on the set. he was up there fixing the atennea, then after the scene he says, "thats about right". not it that matters that much but since the movie is mostly fake anyway, but i thought it was almost like a dream sequence

Its his recollection, sure. But it happened in Cliff Boothh the characters life. That's the whole reason he can't get hired on Lancer. Because he threw Lee into a car therefore pissing of the stunt coordinators wife. So in terms of did it happen(movie wise) yes it did.

8/8/19 9:08 PM
8/20/15
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Robert Thomas -
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thedogofdogs -

Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

Obviously Bruce was holding back because his hands were registered as deadly weapons.

I kind of wonder if the ole gene and Segal incident was an inspiration for Bruce's portrayal

I'm surprised not a lot of people are upset at the portrayal. I think it might be closer to home than most want to admit. He's kind of become a legend you know what I mean and is usually portrayed in that sort of way

Lee's daughter is pissed.

Why? How did they portray him? Did they show him using drugs and fucking around with mistresses like he did in real life? 

Quentin showed him for exactly who he was: A fraudulent "martial artist" who spent his time being the "cool kung fu friend to the stars" to advance his career.

Think that's a bit unfair. He clearly was a serious martial artist. He wasn't some dabbler. Plus too many legit people praised his skills for him to be a paper tiger. 


i thought that entire fight scene was supposed to be cliff booth imagining it, like a what if if he was on the set. he was up there fixing the atennea, then after the scene he says, "thats about right". not it that matters that much but since the movie is mostly fake anyway, but i thought it was almost like a dream sequence

Its his recollection, sure. But it happened in Cliff Boothh the characters life. That's the whole reason he can't get hired on Lancer. Because he threw Lee into a car therefore pissing of the stunt coordinators wife. So in terms of did it happen(movie wise) yes it did.

He also said "fair enough" as to why he was fired. Not "that's about right"

8/8/19 9:50 PM
10/10/15
Posts: 938
donkypunch55 -
SevenFive -

I loved it except for the last two minutes after Pitt goes to the hospital.

Why?

It just seemed weird that after everything that had just happened he would go hang out with the neighbors.  

8/9/19 4:14 AM
2/20/09
Posts: 15382
SevenFive -
donkypunch55 -
SevenFive -

I loved it except for the last two minutes after Pitt goes to the hospital.

Why?

It just seemed weird that after everything that had just happened he would go hang out with the neighbors.  

Or it makes perfect sense.

Leo's character is such an over-the-top narcissist that the boost he just got from being a "hero" would override any shock he might be feeling.

Especially since the new company could be positive to his (fading) career.

8/9/19 7:45 AM
8/31/18
Posts: 1009

Agreed with donky that was his happy ending. Not the Italian wife 

8/9/19 10:02 AM
10/29/06
Posts: 841
thedogofdogs -

Wont watch because of the Bruce Lee shit.

You should watch it. Great movie. And honestly, I don't think it was a dig at Lee. I think the scene was just to show the audience what a fucking stud Cliff is. Which we get to see at the end.