Edited: 11 days ago
1/25/04
Posts: 132560

If they're sick, it tells us what we already know: We have way too many unhealthy young americans. Having such a high % of young people taking up hospital resources means hospitals risk becoming overwhelmed. This is the most important thing we have to prevent. More people will die because of it and and that will cause more panic. Arguing if they're actually unhealthy or not doesn't change the fact that a high % of them need to be hospitalized along with the elderly

11 days ago
2/4/06
Posts: 13945

WAaah hysteria 

11 days ago
9/8/02
Posts: 24796
Lurker99 - 
jcblass - 
KingMartyrJack - 
jcblass - You do realize the increase in cases is largely because they rolled out rapid testing units so they can get through samples much quicker. Additionally, if you are in good health and under 78 years old, this virus, although very contagious, is pretty mild. Most people with a strong immune system can handle it very easily, with some carrying the virus but showing zero symptoms. So the number of cases or how fast they are growing is almost meaningless, especially with the draconian social distancing we have going on in the larger cities.

LOL @ this fool.

 

You should probably read this...


I have read dozens of article just like this. They never say if the young people being admitted had any underlying conditions. Medically speaking, these young people are shadows, no data to crunch. Instead, it is being left up to the clueless public to fill in the gaps with their imaginations.

Form the article:

"The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group."

For all we know, the sudden spike in young people could be from a homeless encampment made up of addicts with poor lung health that made their way into the ER.

"But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger"

That's 190 people...That small number could easily be young people with genuine underlying illnesses needing a hospital bed early, that gives no indication if that will filter out consistently throughout the crisis. Its probably compromised people who needed it, and then it will fall off because healthy immune systems do fine with this virus.

So you agree that we don't know the history of all the patients, yet you also confirm via your quotes that a good portion are younger people... yet you assume all the young and healthy people will be just fine and keep defending that.

So what is YOUR source?

The only thing I see supporting that healthy young adults are just fine is that the pro athletes are doing ok. Is that all you got? If not, I'd rather see the general public assume the worst and take precautions then assume the best and be wrong later.

The source is every bit of data we have. We know that this virus is very mild to MOST people under 65 with a strong immune system. That's just a fact, the numbers in Italy establish this, the calculations by Oxford researcher show this.

So if there are 29-40 year olds getting hospitalized, they almost certainly have underlying conditions. But since the article doesn't every give any data, it makes everyone jump to baseless conclusions.."Well the data shows 35 years olds can be hospitalized, I am 35, therefore I can get sick..." That's simply a leap in logic.

It is very likely the young people requiring a hospital bed were A: in that bed when they got the virus B: were immune compromised, or C: had pre-existing issues....so these are outliers, the majority of Americans will fare just fine if they get this virus, and it is OK to recgonize that.

I don't like taking the marginal case, blowing it out to cover the entire population and then make broad policies and conclusions based on outliers. That's what people are doing here.
Edited: 11 days ago
2/10/20
Posts: 577
jcblass -
KingMartyrJack - 
jcblass - You do realize the increase in cases is largely because they rolled out rapid testing units so they can get through samples much quicker. Additionally, if you are in good health and under 78 years old, this virus, although very contagious, is pretty mild. Most people with a strong immune system can handle it very easily, with some carrying the virus but showing zero symptoms. So the number of cases or how fast they are growing is almost meaningless, especially with the draconian social distancing we have going on in the larger cities.

LOL @ this fool.

 

You should probably read this...


I have read dozens of article just like this. They never say if the young people being admitted had any underlying conditions. Medically speaking, these young people are shadows, no data to crunch. Instead, it is being left up to the clueless public to fill in the gaps with their imaginations.

Form the article:

"The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group."

For all we know, the sudden spike in young people could be from a homeless encampment made up of addicts with poor lung health that made their way into the ER.

"But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger"

That's 190 people...That small number could easily be young people with genuine underlying illnesses needing a hospital bed early, that gives no indication if that will filter out consistently throughout the crisis. Its probably compromised people who needed it, and then it will fall off because healthy immune systems do fine with this virus.

So you went on a manhunt to see if they had "underlying factors". Tehrefore if the numbers don't show that, then its false? Tehre are no young people being hospitalized and ventilated?

 

LOL.

 

Man you are desperate ...

 

Image result for ostrich head in sand

 

The numbers are the numbers whether you try to massage them or not.

 

11 days ago
9/8/02
Posts: 24799
KingMartyrJack - 
jcblass -
KingMartyrJack - 
jcblass - You do realize the increase in cases is largely because they rolled out rapid testing units so they can get through samples much quicker. Additionally, if you are in good health and under 78 years old, this virus, although very contagious, is pretty mild. Most people with a strong immune system can handle it very easily, with some carrying the virus but showing zero symptoms. So the number of cases or how fast they are growing is almost meaningless, especially with the draconian social distancing we have going on in the larger cities.

LOL @ this fool.

 

You should probably read this...


I have read dozens of article just like this. They never say if the young people being admitted had any underlying conditions. Medically speaking, these young people are shadows, no data to crunch. Instead, it is being left up to the clueless public to fill in the gaps with their imaginations.

Form the article:

"The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group."

For all we know, the sudden spike in young people could be from a homeless encampment made up of addicts with poor lung health that made their way into the ER.

"But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger"

That's 190 people...That small number could easily be young people with genuine underlying illnesses needing a hospital bed early, that gives no indication if that will filter out consistently throughout the crisis. Its probably compromised people who needed it, and then it will fall off because healthy immune systems do fine with this virus.

So you went on a manhunt to see if they had "underlying factors". Tehrefore if the numbers don't show that, then its false? Tehre are no young people being hospitalized and ventilated?

 

LOL.

 

Man you are desperate ...

 

Image result for ostrich head in sand

 

The numbers are the numbers whetehr you try to massage them or not.

 


Well the majority of Americans in the younger age brackets don't have one-lung, were not in a hospital bed at the time of infection, don't have TB, etc...all underlying conditions.

The statistics show that there is quick start to the number of deaths and critical cases, then it tails off. The numbers do not go up and up forever. So it would make sense, if there were younger people who were compromised, they would get sick and would need a hospital bed early on...

It is foolish to extrapolate that out long term, or worse yet, suggest the same thing could happen to "just any" 30 year old.

My head is not in the sand here, but the data has almost always shown the afflicted people were either A: over 70 or B: had pre-existing conditions. So if there are young people in the hospital, its not because "this virus is so deadly it can take out a 30 year old," but rather, that 30 year old probably had an underlying condition that made then vulnerable to infection early on, hence the need for the bed.

My position is the most likely based on the data. However, the media have done such a poor job reporting, we only get to hear "there are some young people in the hospital." followed up with:

"The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group."
11 days ago
5/29/17
Posts: 655

11 days ago
6/1/07
Posts: 22351
TheCorinthian - 


New York is doing a great job of testing.

That's all these numbers mean.

Almost all of those cases are mild or asymptomatic.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

26,553 active cases in the USA

26,489 (100%) in mild condition (or asymptomatic)
64 (0%)in serious/critical condition.

Obviously, some of those mild cases will eventually progress to serious/critical, but early identification is a hugely important first step in flattening the curve.
11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 8488
In Limbo -
Girly -

What's the opinion on Cuomo?  Only seen him from stuff during this virus but he seems cool

the Cuomos and the Trumps have known each other for decades now , in NYC

Gov cuomo's father, Mario, was also a former gov of NY and one of the key figurheads of NY Democrats

 

as bad as current Gov Cuomo can/has be/been.and as much as i disagree with his politics....I dont place him in the scumbag category as I do with Deblasio...not at all....deblasio is the lowest of the low

the uninformed reactionary bullshit (7 round mag limits etc) he rammed through with the SAFE act land him in permanent cunt status

11 days ago
3/23/06
Posts: 5300

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 8490
In Limbo -
Steve4192 -
In Limbo - 
Girly -

What's the opinion on Cuomo?  Only seen him from stuff during this virus but he seems cool

the Cuomos and the Trumps have known each other for decades now , in NYC

Gov cuomo's father, Mario, was also a former gov of NY and one of the key figurheads of NY Democrats

 

as bad as current Gov Cuomo can/has be/been.and as much as i disagree with his politics....I dont place him in the scumbag category as I do with Deblasio...not at all....deblasio is the lowest of the low


Cuomo and DeBlasio are the perfect illustration of the differences between a liberal and a leftist. Cuomo has a lot of liberal policies I don't like, but he's rational, believes in market-based capitalism, and is willing to work across the aisle when the situation is dire enough. DeBlasio is a full-blown leftist, despises capitalism, and would rather watch the world burn than deviate one millimeter from his precious dialectic.

perfectly said

the Cuomos are institutions of NY democrats

the fact that cuomo and deblasio have always butted heads, is very telling of the rift within the "liberals/dems"

 

Cuomo has ideas i dont agree with at all..but he is pretty sensible and straightforward

deblasio is a race baiter, trouble maker, essentially a socialist type who wants to "make NYC the FAIREST city in the world"

i think of them as shumer dems and aoc dems. leftist but still somewhat sane, versus progressive and off the wall. i now think as much as i hate him, based on this thread cuomo is probably a better example of what a saner dem looks like, not two buck chuck.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/blood-on-their-hands-teachers-say-de-blasio-and-carranza-helped-spread-coronavirus/

 

By Friday, five of them had shared the devastating news. But after being notified about each one, the city Department of Education still ordered the 6,000-student school’s 350 staffers to show up for work last week, saying the building had been cleaned.

The city failed to follow a March 9 directive by the state Education Department that “requires an initial 24-hour closure, in order to begin an investigation to determine the contacts that the individual may have had within the school environment.”DOE did not attempt to identify close contacts, Bonheimer said. “They did not alert the people who needed to know the most to protect themselves, their families and everyone else they came into contact with.”

Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza resisted a drum beat to close the public schools in the name of safety.  Some DOE employees believe de Blasio and Carranza deliberately kept the lid on the COVID-19 cases popping up, putting kids and families at risk.

 

DOE staffers think the two city leaders tried to cover up the cases because they wanted to keep the 1.1-million-student system running despite increasing pressure to shut it down

 

The information freeze started March 10, when Carranza, in an email obtained by The Post, told administrators not to alert city health officials about COVID-19 cases among students or staff.

 

This is criminal and i hope they are charged.

11 days ago
7/31/09
Posts: 6401
knockoutfighter -

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

Yes literally shutdown for a virus that doubles every 4 days as best we can tell.  

 

Italy is doing great isn't it?  They shouldn't be shut down, am i right?

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 20355


some dipshit dropped this on 55th street and even the homeless are like "fuck that." insane.
11 days ago
3/23/06
Posts: 5305
robbie380 -
knockoutfighter -

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

Yes literally shutdown for a virus that doubles every 4 days as best we can tell.  

 

Italy is doing great isn't it?  They shouldn't be shut down, am i right?

I’m just making a statement.  I don’t really believe anyone about this.  Too many contradictions in the medical field.  It’s all speculation.

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 8492
knockoutfighter -
robbie380 -
knockoutfighter -

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

Yes literally shutdown for a virus that doubles every 4 days as best we can tell.  

 

Italy is doing great isn't it?  They shouldn't be shut down, am i right?

I’m just making a statement.  I don’t really believe anyone about this.  Too many contradictions in the medical field.  It’s all speculation.

i take this seriously (if you have seen the dvd "a serious man" that movie = me) and believe in all the safety protocals, but i think shutting the entire country and destroying peoples lives over deaths that are maybe triple digits in the entire country was as bad as if not worse than the disease. i do not want to see deaths in the 10000s before something was done, but we don't shut the country down when 10000 people die in flu season.

shut things down around the vulnerable, no visitors to nursing home, hospitals, no concerts or gatherings, maybe schools for a few weeks. but every business that is not a food store or gas station?

 

11 days ago
5/23/07
Posts: 20921
Steve4192 - 
TheCorinthian - 


New York is doing a great job of testing.

That's all these numbers mean.

Almost all of those cases are mild or asymptomatic.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

26,553 active cases in the USA

26,489 (100%) in mild condition (or asymptomatic)
64 (0%)in serious/critical condition.

Obviously, some of those mild cases will eventually progress to serious/critical, but early identification is a hugely important first step in flattening the curve.

Do you know how many were tested in SK?

11 days ago
12/2/02
Posts: 34196
knockoutfighter -

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

Check back in 2 weeks and follow up your post. 

11 days ago
12/1/12
Posts: 2386
jcblass -
KingMartyrJack - 
jcblass -
KingMartyrJack - 
jcblass - You do realize the increase in cases is largely because they rolled out rapid testing units so they can get through samples much quicker. Additionally, if you are in good health and under 78 years old, this virus, although very contagious, is pretty mild. Most people with a strong immune system can handle it very easily, with some carrying the virus but showing zero symptoms. So the number of cases or how fast they are growing is almost meaningless, especially with the draconian social distancing we have going on in the larger cities.

LOL @ this fool.

 

You should probably read this...


I have read dozens of article just like this. They never say if the young people being admitted had any underlying conditions. Medically speaking, these young people are shadows, no data to crunch. Instead, it is being left up to the clueless public to fill in the gaps with their imaginations.

Form the article:

"The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group."

For all we know, the sudden spike in young people could be from a homeless encampment made up of addicts with poor lung health that made their way into the ER.

"But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger"

That's 190 people...That small number could easily be young people with genuine underlying illnesses needing a hospital bed early, that gives no indication if that will filter out consistently throughout the crisis. Its probably compromised people who needed it, and then it will fall off because healthy immune systems do fine with this virus.

So you went on a manhunt to see if they had "underlying factors". Tehrefore if the numbers don't show that, then its false? Tehre are no young people being hospitalized and ventilated?

 

LOL.

 

Man you are desperate ...

 

Image result for ostrich head in sand

 

The numbers are the numbers whetehr you try to massage them or not.

 


Well the majority of Americans in the younger age brackets don't have one-lung, were not in a hospital bed at the time of infection, don't have TB, etc...all underlying conditions.

The statistics show that there is quick start to the number of deaths and critical cases, then it tails off. The numbers do not go up and up forever. So it would make sense, if there were younger people who were compromised, they would get sick and would need a hospital bed early on...

It is foolish to extrapolate that out long term, or worse yet, suggest the same thing could happen to "just any" 30 year old.

My head is not in the sand here, but the data has almost always shown the afflicted people were either A: over 70 or B: had pre-existing conditions. So if there are young people in the hospital, its not because "this virus is so deadly it can take out a 30 year old," but rather, that 30 year old probably had an underlying condition that made then vulnerable to infection early on, hence the need for the bed.

My position is the most likely based on the data. However, the media have done such a poor job reporting, we only get to hear "there are some young people in the hospital." followed up with:

"The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group."

pretty obvious by now you're one of the dumbest people on the OG.

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1/9/02
Posts: 51203
hermanitor -
PS: Data from the good old USA



40 percent of hospitalized patients are between 20 and 54.

Turns out, surprise surprise, the numbers coming out of China were total bullshit.

20-54?

 

does that seem like a huge range to you?

me too

why did they go all the way to age 54? probably to get a high enough number to scare the college kids into not gathering on the beach this yr.

50-54 is much higher risk that 20-30

 

coronavirus is a very serious risk but they dont need to be disinegenuous like that

Edited: 11 days ago
7/31/09
Posts: 6402
knockoutfighter -
robbie380 -
knockoutfighter -

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

Yes literally shutdown for a virus that doubles every 4 days as best we can tell.  

 

Italy is doing great isn't it?  They shouldn't be shut down, am i right?

I’m just making a statement.  I don’t really believe anyone about this.  Too many contradictions in the medical field.  It’s all speculation.

That's the dumbest shit I've heard.  First of all there is no contradiction about this in the medical field.  Then you say you don't believe anyone and you say it's speculation?  What the hell do you even believe then? 

 

If you are gonna say it's fake then say it's fake.  Don't half ass it.  

11 days ago
1/9/02
Posts: 51204
pumpkinpuss -
knockoutfighter -
robbie380 -
knockoutfighter -

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

Yes literally shutdown for a virus that doubles every 4 days as best we can tell.  

 

Italy is doing great isn't it?  They shouldn't be shut down, am i right?

I’m just making a statement.  I don’t really believe anyone about this.  Too many contradictions in the medical field.  It’s all speculation.

i take this seriously (if you have seen the dvd "a serious man" that movie = me) and believe in all the safety protocals, but i think shutting the entire country and destroying peoples lives over deaths that are maybe triple digits in the entire country was as bad as if not worse than the disease. i do not want to see deaths in the 10000s before something was done, but we don't shut the country down when 10000 people die in flu season.

shut things down around the vulnerable, no visitors to nursing home, hospitals, no concerts or gatherings, maybe schools for a few weeks. but every business that is not a food store or gas station?

 

Italy has almost 5k deaths and its still blowing up.

 

that is our future.

this has only just begun

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 17908
Yes.

And Florida will be out Lombardy. Mark my words.

Late/no shutdown, spring break, seniors (clustered together and health issues).

Add that in with one of the worst healthcare systems in the country and they will be doomed.

Will take a couple of weeks, but it will be chaos.
11 days ago
3/20/12
Posts: 35332
knockoutfighter - 

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 


7700 died daily on average before Corona

probaby far less on average nowadays

11 days ago
1/9/02
Posts: 51206

NYC is going to be bad

11 days ago
5/9/10
Posts: 17221
knockoutfighter -

The USA literally shut down for 300 deaths.  Incredible 

Way to out yourself as a dumb cunt.

11 days ago
6/11/10
Posts: 5754
KingMartyrJack -
jcblass - You do realize the increase in cases is largely because they rolled out rapid testing units so they can get through samples much quicker. Additionally, if you are in good health and under 78 years old, this virus, although very contagious, is pretty mild. Most people with a strong immune system can handle it very easily, with some carrying the virus but showing zero symptoms. So the number of cases or how fast they are growing is almost meaningless, especially with the draconian social distancing we have going on in the larger cities.

LOL @ this fool.

 

You should probably read this...

jcblass is a fuckin moron.

He’s been spouting this type of bullshit in every Covid19 thread he can find. Probably his way of dealing with this shit, downplaying like it’s only going to affect the old or just Chinese people in Italy. Lol dumbass.
Gives no fucks about kids that have underlying medical issues. Who cares about them, right?

Gives no fucks about the reality of the situation for many people under 50 that are being severely affected by the virus. Big deal, who cares?

Gives no fucks that his moron opinions, and actions of other like him, are basically why the shit keeps spreading because he gives no fucks about anyone but himself. Get fucked shithead.