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7 days ago
3/14/04
Posts: 135842

I guess the cops and Sam's Club employees just wanted to get home safely to their families!

How much do you think the victims will receive from Sam's Club and from the police department?

68-year-old black woman in Missouri is suing four white police officers claiming that she and her son were injured when officers threw them to the floor of a big-box store on the false accusation that they had stolen a television.

Marvia Gray, 68, said the incident began when she and her son, Derek, went to a Sam’s Club in the St. Louis suburb of Des Peres on March 23 to buy a television, according to the complaint filed in St. Louis County Circuit Court on Monday against the city of Des Peres and four of its police officers.

 

The TV they bought did not fit into their SUV, so the Grays told the store they would come back to pick it up, the complaint says. When Derek returned to the store with his receipt, the TV was “withheld from him on suspicion that he was attempting to steal it,” the complaint alleges. Eventually, the television was released to him after a "store employee interceded with management and confirmed that Derek had in fact made the purchase."

When Derek went to load the television into his car, an officer followed him.

The complaint alleges that a store employee informed the officer that Derek had purchased the television, but the officer nonetheless made an “emergency phone call” saying he “witnessed Gray steal a TV and place it in the parked vehicle.” When Derek returned home with the TV and told his mother he was accused of stealing, the two decided to return the TV and went back to the store.

While at the store attempting to get a refund, the lawsuit alleges that four Des Peres police officers "without cause or adequate provocation and in the presence of countless witnesses, violently and physically seized Marvia Gray and Derek Gray, throwing them to the floor, beating them, handcuffing them, then arresting them."

 

7 days ago
3/14/04
Posts: 135843

The incident was captured on a store surveillance camera.

Marvia and Derek Gray were both arrested, and their TV and other purchases they had made at the store were seized and their car towed, the lawsuit says. Their purchases were returned to them by police the following day.

The mother and son both suffered multiple injuries and extreme emotional distress from the incident, the complaint says.

Andrew M. Stroth, of Action Injury Law Group, a national civil rights law firm representing Marvia Gray, said his client “thought her son was about to be another black man unjustifiably shot and killed by the police,” according to The Associated Press. “You can see in the video that she is terrified with respect to what they’re doing to her son,” Stroth said.

In a press release, the Des Peres Public Safety Department said its officers “were dispatched to the Sam’s Club for a reported Larceny” and upon arrival learned “it was the previous subjects from the earlier incident,” referring to when the officer followed Derek Gray to his car.

The statement said Derek Gray “did not comply and began to struggle with officers” and that Marvia Gray was arrested after she “began to grab and pull at the officers” during the interaction. Derek Gray was charged with aggravated assault of a police officer and “stealing in the near future” and Marvia Gray was charged with interfering and resisting arrest.

The city said it is investigating the incident, and Des Peres Police Capt. Sean Quinn told NBC News in an email, "There is a lawsuit that has been filed and because of this I cannot comment any further."

Sam’s Club could not be immediately reached for comment by NBC News on Tuesday.

The St. Louis County chapter of the NAACP told KSDK that it is standing with the Grays to seek accountability for the officers.

"Unfortunately, I get these complaints way too often," the chapter's president, John Bowman, said. "It appears in more and more police interaction between people of color and white police officers, there seems to be this feeling that they treat black people as a weapon because of their color.”

 

 

Edited: 7 days ago
3/14/04
Posts: 135844

TL;DR

Guy goes to Sam's Club and buys a 65" TV.  

It doesn't fit in his car.

He tells the store that he's leaving the TV there and going home to get a bigger car.

Guy returns with the bigger car, tries to get the TV, store employees accuse him of trying to steal a TV.  Cop is called.

Sam's Club employee finally figures it out and tells the cop the guy is not stealing the TV.

Cop ignores that and calls his department and says he's witnessing a black guy stealing a TV, despite Sam's having just told the cop that the guy wasn't stealing the TV.

Guy takes the TV home.

At home his 68 year old mom gets pissed off about Sam's Club accusing him of stealing so she tells him they are going to return the TV.

They take the TV back to Sam's where once again they are accused of stealing and now are assaulted by four cops who ragdoll the 68 year old lady and beat the shit out of the son.  

7 days ago
3/14/04
Posts: 135845

I'm gonna guess somewhere in the neighborhood of $250K and a free TV from Sam's and at least another $250K from the police department.  

Edited: 7 days ago
3/25/20
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This shit rarely happens but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot.. Cant bring up statistics though. Sucks they have to live with a stereotype they gave themselves

7 days ago
3/14/04
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alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot


Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

7 days ago
1/1/01
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well fuck 'im if he can't take a joke!

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angryinch -
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot

 

Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

THere are bad cops..But tons of bad people that never seem to get as much criticism for their actions..espcially if they are a different color. Ever wonder why that is? No narrative at all huh

7 days ago
1/1/01
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In for the store security footage of the undoubtably calm and rational conversation that took place prior to the police getting involved. 
 

Mark

7 days ago
3/14/04
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alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot

 

Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

THere are bad cops..But tons of bad people that never seem to get as much criticism for their actions..espcially if they are a different color. Ever wonder why that is? No narrative at all huh


Bad cops are a much bigger problem than bad people.  You can defend yourself against bad people.  Plus, bad people are not given the explicit authority to arrest and kill you whenever they see fit.  Bad cops are.  Also, the word of a bad cop is generally accepted as fact no matter how much they are lying.   

7 days ago
3/25/20
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Mark1 -

In for the store security footage of the undoubtably calm and rational conversation that took place prior to the police getting involved. 
 

Mark

Wouldnt be surprised.most likely the case

7 days ago
5/7/09
Posts: 3015

Story sounds very odd.  If it occurred exactly as written, very strange scenario.

Manager confirms its his so he takes it home.  They come back to return it & are arrested by 4 cops?  I need the blanks filled in on this story.  

7 days ago
3/14/04
Posts: 135848

Mark1 - 

In for the store security footage of the undoubtably calm and rational conversation that took place prior to the police getting involved. 
 

Mark


Sam's falsely accused them of stealing.   Cops have previously been told by Sam's that they were not stealing. Cops disregarded that.  Sam's then once again accused them of stealing when they tried to return the TV, that Sam's had already previously acknowledged was not in fact stolen.

Shit show all around.  Sam's is going to be fucked if they get sued.  Cops are also fucked for escalating a situation that didn't exist and assaulting a 68 year old woman. 

7 days ago
3/25/20
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angryinch -
alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot

 

Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

THere are bad cops..But tons of bad people that never seem to get as much criticism for their actions..espcially if they are a different color. Ever wonder why that is? No narrative at all huh


Bad cops are a much bigger problem than bad people.  You can defend yourself against bad people.  Plus, bad people are not given the explicit authority to arrest and kill you whenever they see fit.  Bad cops are.  Also, the word of a bad cop is generally accepted as fact no matter how much they are lying.   

You talk like all cops are bad. That is why your posts are a joke. all bad people are bad. Not all cops are bad. You are narrative driven. 

7 days ago
3/14/04
Posts: 135849
alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot

 

Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

THere are bad cops..But tons of bad people that never seem to get as much criticism for their actions..espcially if they are a different color. Ever wonder why that is? No narrative at all huh


Bad cops are a much bigger problem than bad people.  You can defend yourself against bad people.  Plus, bad people are not given the explicit authority to arrest and kill you whenever they see fit.  Bad cops are.  Also, the word of a bad cop is generally accepted as fact no matter how much they are lying.   

You talk like all cops are bad. That is why your posts are a joke. all bad people are bad. Not all cops are bad. You are narrative driven. 


OK, so what makes a cop "bad"?

I see four bad cops in that video.  A couple are assaulting two innocent people, the others do nothing about it.  Where are the good ones in this incident?  Please point them out.

Also, where are the good ones higher up in the department that are arresting and charging these four assholes for assault and false imprisonment and false arrest?

7 days ago
6/14/05
Posts: 320
It must be all due to racism, right? I mean god knows that is the only explanation.
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angryinch -
Mark1 - 

In for the store security footage of the undoubtably calm and rational conversation that took place prior to the police getting involved. 
 

Mark

 

Sam's falsely accused them of stealing.   Cops have previously been told by Sam's that they were not stealing. Cops disregarded that.  Sam's then once again accused them of stealing when they tried to return the TV, that Sam's had already previously acknowledged was not in fact stolen.

Shit show all around.  Sam's is going to be fucked if they get sued.  Cops are also fucked for escalating a situation that didn't exist and assaulting a 68 year old woman. 

Looks like the guy was mouthing off like mark said, cops came and he resisted detainment. The Woman has a case maybe. Didnt look like they needed to take her down

7 days ago
7/24/09
Posts: 186

Seems like a receipt could have solved everything.

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angryinch -
alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot

 

Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

THere are bad cops..But tons of bad people that never seem to get as much criticism for their actions..espcially if they are a different color. Ever wonder why that is? No narrative at all huh

 

Bad cops are a much bigger problem than bad people.  You can defend yourself against bad people.  Plus, bad people are not given the explicit authority to arrest and kill you whenever they see fit.  Bad cops are.  Also, the word of a bad cop is generally accepted as fact no matter how much they are lying.   

You talk like all cops are bad. That is why your posts are a joke. all bad people are bad. Not all cops are bad. You are narrative driven. 

 

OK, so what makes a cop "bad"?

I see four bad cops in that video.  A couple are assaulting two innocent people, the others do nothing about it.  Where are the good ones in this incident?  Please point them out.

Also, where are the good ones higher up in the department that are arresting and charging these four assholes for assault and false imprisonment and false arrest?

The problem with people like you is you hear a story and get emotional ..wait until facts come out. You dont know what was said. Im sure they'd do the same thing to a white person that mouthes off. i have seen that same situation numerous times with whites yelling at people and cops in a threatning matter. They detain them until they calm down. That guy decided to resist that and rip shit from the walls. You think if he talked calmly and showed his receipt that that shit would happen? Something doesn't  sound right

7 days ago
10/3/16
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alexm41 -
angryinch -
alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot

 

Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

THere are bad cops..But tons of bad people that never seem to get as much criticism for their actions..espcially if they are a different color. Ever wonder why that is? No narrative at all huh


Bad cops are a much bigger problem than bad people.  You can defend yourself against bad people.  Plus, bad people are not given the explicit authority to arrest and kill you whenever they see fit.  Bad cops are.  Also, the word of a bad cop is generally accepted as fact no matter how much they are lying.   

You talk like all cops are bad. That is why your posts are a joke. all bad people are bad. Not all cops are bad. You are narrative driven. 

Quit being a cop apologist.

7 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 7477
The story alleged by the lawsuit kinda reeks of bullshit. The TV was given to them after they checked and validated the receipt. That is pretty standard procedure. Yet the lawsuit describes this process as if it was some kind of racist gesture.

My guess is that when they decided to return the TV they made a scene, cops were called, the son did something that required the cops to detain him, the mom interfered with that process causing her to be detained as well, they both resisted and made it worse. And now we're here pretending like this is all some kind racists beating by the cops.

I'd like to see what the other side of the story is.
7 days ago
4/22/20
Posts: 139
alexm41 - 
Mark1 -

In for the store security footage of the undoubtably calm and rational conversation that took place prior to the police getting involved. 
 

Mark

Wouldnt be surprised.most likely the case


If it happened the way it did, I might be returning the tv and giving a little attitude myself.

After Sam's Club employee confirmed he bought it, the police have no business continuing the matter.
7 days ago
2/8/08
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Dr Martin Van Nostrand - 

Seems like a receipt could have solved everything.


receipts are white...you racist!
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alexm41 -
angryinch -
alexm41 - 
angryinch -
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot

 

Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  

THere are bad cops..But tons of bad people that never seem to get as much criticism for their actions..espcially if they are a different color. Ever wonder why that is? No narrative at all huh

 

Bad cops are a much bigger problem than bad people.  You can defend yourself against bad people.  Plus, bad people are not given the explicit authority to arrest and kill you whenever they see fit.  Bad cops are.  Also, the word of a bad cop is generally accepted as fact no matter how much they are lying.   

You talk like all cops are bad. That is why your posts are a joke. all bad people are bad. Not all cops are bad. You are narrative driven. 

Quit being a cop apologist.

Will i get a black lives matters shirt if i do. not all cops are good. I acknowledge that..but you judge all cops to be the way you talk  .how is that different than saying all blacks are Criminals?not very fair right? 

7 days ago
10/27/05
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angryinch - 
alexm41 - 

This shit rarely happend but always seems to make the news . Makes you think they are trying to divide the country or something while ignoring the other side when criminals of another color actually steal a lot and kill people a lot


Happens often enough that it's a problem.  The bigger problem is when the departments protect the bad cops and say they did nothing wrong.  


Here's the problem I have.

Even if there weren't a narrative that decides what stories make the news, and are picked up by bigger sources/social media/MSM I STILL SUPPORT SEEING THEM.

I don't think most reasonable people think the system is flawless, and there are plenty of times we agree that it was a fucked up situation that needs to be resolved.

In the grand scheme of things, with 330 million people, and over 60 million police interactions per year, statistically it isn't a wide scale problem.

It needs to be adressed everytime for sure, and we should be vigilant, but people need to quit pretending it's rampant on a constant basis.

That along with the "we're being hunted daily" line of thinking is bizarre and completely devoid of reality.