OtherGround Forums Ron Van Clief - Holocaust denier

2/1/16 11:39 PM
1/1/01
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Very disappointed to see this from the early UFC legend. He posted an article disputing the Holocaust numbers on his Facebook last night, commenting "The global propaganda machine
Bamboozled again. 270,000 is not. 6 million. Will the truth ever be revealed."

I don't know how to post a screenshot, but his FB is open and anyone should be able to find it. https://www.facebook.com/ron.vanclief
2/2/16 12:16 AM
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He said it never happened? Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 12:37 AM
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ocbadapple - He said it never happened? Phone Post 3.0
He's disputing it. Not denying. Touche'.
Still stupid as fuck. Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 12:44 AM
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He has every right and is in reason to be skeptical of the official death toll figures given. Of course outright denying it completely would be nonsense, though so is asserting that any historic topic is "off limits" for further evaluation. Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 12:46 AM
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Knee jerk reaction Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 12:50 AM
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FullyLoadedFists - He has every right and is in reason to be skeptical of the official death toll figures given. Of course outright denying it completely would be nonsense, though so is asserting that any historic topic is "off limits" for further evaluation. Phone Post 3.0
Careful. People on here are going to cry if u don't accept the popularly accepted #s Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 12:55 AM
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The THC is strong with him. Phone Post
2/2/16 1:49 AM
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ocbadapple -
FullyLoadedFists - He has every right and is in reason to be skeptical of the official death toll figures given. Of course outright denying it completely would be nonsense, though so is asserting that any historic topic is "off limits" for further evaluation. Phone Post 3.0
Careful. People on here are going to cry if u don't accept the popularly accepted #s Phone Post 3.0
Yeah? What do you think the number is? Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 1:59 AM
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The numbers have been disputed by academics. Just because Ron decided to question the numbers doesn't make him a denier.

If you question the absurd numbers, you're an antisemitic dick, but the numbers are often inaccurate.
2/2/16 2:04 AM
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I read is was closer to around 4 million which is still insane. Wtf kind of thought process would make you want to do that?

I watched a special called "Hitler the junkie" so maybe drugs played a role? Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 2:05 AM
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Also I have the same birthday as Hitler. April 20th Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 2:14 AM
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^you're more like hitler than anyone else on here, had you thought about that?
2/2/16 2:18 AM
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What i know for sure is that over the years the number increased exponentially, so the historians in the past were all "holocaust deniers" too? Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 3:00 AM
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gotta watch out for Black Kung Fu guys with German last names Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 3:08 AM
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whitejoeblowskingconor -
ocbadapple -
FullyLoadedFists - He has every right and is in reason to be skeptical of the official death toll figures given. Of course outright denying it completely would be nonsense, though so is asserting that any historic topic is "off limits" for further evaluation. Phone Post 3.0
Careful. People on here are going to cry if u don't accept the popularly accepted #s Phone Post 3.0
Yeah? What do you think the number is? Phone Post 3.0
I have no idea. I wasn't there

I do know the #s have magically changed, I also believe that history is just a story and is always told from a point of view. Usually by someone with an agenda. I take everything I'm taught with a grain of salt. Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 5:46 AM
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the holocaust was fake and so was the moon landing
2/2/16 5:52 AM
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For a while, it felt like every other post from him was basically "Black Power! Kill Whitey!" Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 6:39 AM
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FullyLoadedFists - He has every right and is in reason to be skeptical of the official death toll figures given. Of course outright denying it completely would be nonsense, though so is asserting that any historic topic is "off limits" for further evaluation. Phone Post 3.0
Great response
Logical
Well measured
Not taking one side or the other
Should go over like a lead balloon Phone Post 3.0
2/2/16 8:28 AM
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270,000 would still make it one of the largest genocides in world history, certainly taking into account the scale of the organisation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll
2/2/16 9:00 AM
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Stern - I read is was closer to around 4 million which is still insane. Wtf kind of thought process would make you want to do that?

I watched a special called "Hitler the junkie" so maybe drugs played a role? Phone Post 3.0

Nazis were into meth.
2/2/16 9:04 AM
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Stern - Also I have the same birthday as Hitler. April 20th Phone Post 3.0

420 brah
2/2/16 9:05 AM
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I think they have pics of piles of bodies that looked more than 270,000!

2/2/16 9:07 AM
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Flat earthers, moonhoaxers, 9-11 truthers, alien astronauts, Jeebus, Sky Daddy, Allah, holocaust deniers, etc.

Most people are stupid. Most people believe in things with zero evidence, and don't believe in things with mountains of evidence.

No surprise here.
2/2/16 9:13 AM
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270k is absurdly low, and anyone touting such a low number I'm going to assume has an agenda. So... he can go fuck himself.
2/2/16 9:15 AM
5/15/03
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I think we can all agree genocide is bad and whether it happened to Armenians, Jews, Chinese, or whatever ethnic group, that it's an evil thing. If the number was 1 million or 6 million it's horrendous. What's really sad is people that are of descent of the victims of these types of travesties arguing with one another on which group really had the most killed. You would think they would feel closer to one another but instead they're trying to one up each other and drive a rift further between them. Phone Post 3.0