OtherGround Forums Secret Service vs. US Marshalls!!

9/19/20 3:50 AM
1/1/01
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Muay Tired - 

I have no idea who the "Marshalls" are, but the U.S.Marshals would not do well in a shoot-out against the Secret Service.  USSS are generally better shots, have higher physical standards (USMS doesn't require you to pass the PT anymore after you graduate the academy, only participate in the PT test) and probably much smarter.  

 

Source: I literally just left USMS 2 pay periods ago for another agency after serving as a DUSM for over 17 years...


Yeah, after than the initial training at Glynco back then, only the SO guys in LA seemed to be the ones that paid attention to staying sharp.

What district were you in? I worked at the HQ in Pentagon City waaay back. Kathy Deoudes, before she became chief of Asset Seizure and Forfeiture, was my boss.


FYI for those wondering about Muay Tired's DUSM title...unlike what you see in the movies the "US Marshal" isn't the guy that really gets things done - the one USM per district is usually a political appointee and a lot of them have questionable quals law enforcement experience wise.

No, it is usually the DUSMs and SDUSMs (senior) on a district that get shit done and are out there doing prisoner transport, warrant execution, fugitive ops, and so on. There's a CDUSM too.

Serving a warrant on Trump, they would probably send a CDUSM and a SDUSM from one of the two USMS districts in DC, just guessing, and no more out of courtesy.

Rereading the thread, I think they wouldnt bother escalating with a USMS SO team if the initial warrant service was blocked. DOJ and Congress would do the rest and eventually remove Trump's chain
of authority. No need for any firefight.

9/19/20 4:37 PM
2/12/14
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Darth Potato -
John Cable -
Jedburgh1 -

Your repeated obsession with “full auto” is showing holes in your game.  
 

Full auto is only cool in belt feds, useless in most other applications 

 

I noticed you said "most other" applications. 

hey I  respect your experience. I understand that semi auto is the standard now for a battle rifle. 

 

But just from what I know and what I shot. I would much rather have full auto if I had a choice. strapped in prone or from a good combat stance leaning forward it is a lot of lead . 

 

My issue sub gun for about 5 years was an MP5. full fucking auto. i would not have changed it for the world. shooting it as instructed by Phil Singleton ( one of HKs primary instructors) you can really get down accurately. I could dump a 30 round clip full auto ( not bursts) in a group the size of an orange in CQB distances. Not easy and towards the end of the clip, just about to  get pushed backwards a stagger step. 

 

Singleton was British SAS. he was at the Iranian embassy raid. 

 

I mean why would you not opt for full auto if you could get it? 

Why do you keep saying clip...?

 

because I can. and you know what I mean by it. now go get your fancy ass range bag and your 500 dollar ear muffs and go stand in the shade at your high priced shooting club in your TACTIKOOL 5.11 britches and impress everybody with your $3,000 dollar custom guns. 

 

there.  have a great weekend sir. 

9/19/20 4:41 PM
2/12/14
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arclight -
Muay Tired - 

I have no idea who the "Marshalls" are, but the U.S.Marshals would not do well in a shoot-out against the Secret Service.  USSS are generally better shots, have higher physical standards (USMS doesn't require you to pass the PT anymore after you graduate the academy, only participate in the PT test) and probably much smarter.  

 

Source: I literally just left USMS 2 pay periods ago for another agency after serving as a DUSM for over 17 years...


Yeah, after than the initial training at Glynco back then, only the SO guys in LA seemed to be the ones that paid attention to staying sharp.

What district were you in? I worked at the HQ in Pentagon City waaay back. Kathy Deoudes, before she became chief of Asset Seizure and Forfeiture, was my boss.


FYI for those wondering about Muay Tired's DUSM title...unlike what you see in the movies the "US Marshal" isn't the guy that really gets things done - the one USM per district is usually a political appointee and a lot of them have questionable quals law enforcement experience wise.

No, it is usually the DUSMs and SDUSMs (senior) on a district that get shit done and are out there doing prisoner transport, warrant execution, fugitive ops, and so on. There's a CDUSM too.

Serving a warrant on Trump, they would probably send a CDUSM and a SDUSM from one of the two USMS districts in DC, just guessing, and no more out of courtesy.

Rereading the thread, I think they wouldnt bother escalating with a USMS SO team if the initial warrant service was blocked. DOJ and Congress would do the rest and eventually remove Trump's chain
of authority. No need for any firefight.

 

FYI for those wondering about Muay Tired's DUSM title...unlike what you see in the movies the "US Marshal" isn't the guy that really gets things done - the one USM per district is usually a political appointee and a lot of them have questionable quals law enforcement experience wise.

 

Thanks for clarifying. I say US marshal or something like it in general. Same thing with SO . Sometimes refer to them as the Sherrif. Not meaning the actual elected dude. 

9/19/20 4:44 PM
2/12/14
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Sherrifs deputys in our county pretty spit and polish. of course they have unlimited inmate labor to shine their shit up and press out there uniforms . Also they rarely drive on gravel roads as it gets their old ass squad cars dirty and it might get kallkiche dust on their boots if they actually have to get out to take a piss, or visit their girlfriends trailer. lol. 

9/19/20 4:53 PM
2/12/14
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county got old ass squad cars but immaculate. They have old ass crown vics. they just have inmates work on them to keep them going. great fucking shape. perfect. 

9/19/20 4:58 PM
2/12/14
Posts: 3816
arclight -
Muay Tired - 

I have no idea who the "Marshalls" are, but the U.S.Marshals would not do well in a shoot-out against the Secret Service.  USSS are generally better shots, have higher physical standards (USMS doesn't require you to pass the PT anymore after you graduate the academy, only participate in the PT test) and probably much smarter.  

 

Source: I literally just left USMS 2 pay periods ago for another agency after serving as a DUSM for over 17 years...


Yeah, after than the initial training at Glynco back then, only the SO guys in LA seemed to be the ones that paid attention to staying sharp.

What district were you in? I worked at the HQ in Pentagon City waaay back. Kathy Deoudes, before she became chief of Asset Seizure and Forfeiture, was my boss.


FYI for those wondering about Muay Tired's DUSM title...unlike what you see in the movies the "US Marshal" isn't the guy that really gets things done - the one USM per district is usually a political appointee and a lot of them have questionable quals law enforcement experience wise.

No, it is usually the DUSMs and SDUSMs (senior) on a district that get shit done and are out there doing prisoner transport, warrant execution, fugitive ops, and so on. There's a CDUSM too.

Serving a warrant on Trump, they would probably send a CDUSM and a SDUSM from one of the two USMS districts in DC, just guessing, and no more out of courtesy.

Rereading the thread, I think they wouldnt bother escalating with a USMS SO team if the initial warrant service was blocked. DOJ and Congress would do the rest and eventually remove Trump's chain
of authority. No need for any firefight.

 

 

amongst the DUSM. who supervises? do yall have something similar to SGTs and LTs? Captains. 

 

like over a team of 10. then supervisor or commander of a block of teams?

9/19/20 5:32 PM
2/12/14
Posts: 3817
Gforce - Good deal.

For background, here is a link to a bill a few years back that would have extended the retirement scam to guys hired between 1984 and 1986 (it was never passed into law).

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRPT-112srpt205/html/CRPT-112srpt205.htm

 

now that I have had time to reflect. The pension thing seems good for the line agent. he can get a nice chunk of pension after 20 I am guessing from DC. Then work for another federal Agency drawing a regular paycheck. and get another pension at a certain age from the other federal agency. At that point do they get DC medical insurance for retirement or Federal Government/ Or both or their choice? which has best retirement coverage? 

I dont think it is a scam. its like a step program other agencies have. Are you taking an administrative stance ? 

 

As far as having Sigs still. Yeah. very show offey. Sigs were overpriced shit. We went from Colt commanders to Sig 226 on tact. Supposed to be the shit. They sucked but did their job. The Sig had to be absolute clean and lubed to ensure no jams. A week long school the Sig would be jamming the 3rd day, especially if it had rained and got dry again. .357sig caliber another gimmick. It works! damn the blast when shooting night quals. hate to be next to one, like 10mm. 

had the sigs for about 4 years and switched to G-locks. never looked back. rebuild them once every year or two. Just replace small parts out of an overabundance of caution.

 

the air marshal thing. yeah , the whole thing was fubar. especially having to  tell the pilots thing. Do they still do that? It used to be that you needed to dress up at least business casual to sit in First >

from what I understand airline pilots seemed to want to measure dicks with  the Air marshals when they are on board. Dont think I would want to do it. Seems like a retirement job for old croakers who can still shoot. 

9/19/20 5:48 PM
5/10/04
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John Cable - 

 

 

county got old ass squad cars but immaculate. They have old ass crown vics. they just have inmates work on them to keep them going. great fucking shape. perfect. 




Are you quoting a movie or something?
9/19/20 6:01 PM
4/30/08
Posts: 3220
arclight -
Muay Tired - 

I have no idea who the "Marshalls" are, but the U.S.Marshals would not do well in a shoot-out against the Secret Service.  USSS are generally better shots, have higher physical standards (USMS doesn't require you to pass the PT anymore after you graduate the academy, only participate in the PT test) and probably much smarter.  

 

Source: I literally just left USMS 2 pay periods ago for another agency after serving as a DUSM for over 17 years...


Yeah, after than the initial training at Glynco back then, only the SO guys in LA seemed to be the ones that paid attention to staying sharp.

What district were you in? I worked at the HQ in Pentagon City waaay back. Kathy Deoudes, before she became chief of Asset Seizure and Forfeiture, was my boss.


FYI for those wondering about Muay Tired's DUSM title...unlike what you see in the movies the "US Marshal" isn't the guy that really gets things done - the one USM per district is usually a political appointee and a lot of them have questionable quals law enforcement experience wise.

No, it is usually the DUSMs and SDUSMs (senior) on a district that get shit done and are out there doing prisoner transport, warrant execution, fugitive ops, and so on. There's a CDUSM too.

Serving a warrant on Trump, they would probably send a CDUSM and a SDUSM from one of the two USMS districts in DC, just guessing, and no more out of courtesy.

Rereading the thread, I think they wouldnt bother escalating with a USMS SO team if the initial warrant service was blocked. DOJ and Congress would do the rest and eventually remove Trump's chain
of authority. No need for any firefight.

 

I don't want to get into specifics regarding districts/offices/sub-offices of assignments due to doxxing. However, I started in a west coast office and then went to the southwest area. I started when that useless turd Benigno Reyna was director and departed 2 pay periods ago. 

Contrary to popular belief, most deputies aren't fugitive investigators. I would say conservatively, maybe 1/3 are in fugitives/warrants of some sort.  Another 1/3 are inspectors, sort of like specialists, i.e., WitSec inspectors, Judicial Security, TOG guys, etc.  The rest are Operations deputies who do everything: prisoner transports, court (bringing prisoners for court hearings), serving process, JPATS (the prisoner airlift, which inspired Con Air, but is nothing like the movie), sometimes flying prisoners on commercial or charter flights, cellblock duty (like working in a small jail), responding to civil disturbances aka riot duty, protection details for Supreme Court justices, district judges, U.S. Attorneys, and everything else the Attorney General can think of. 

Taking all that into consideration, very few deputies are capable of a force on force fight.  There just isn't that sort of mindset in the Marshals. It was tough enough just getting enough DUSMs to go to the rez to arrest a violator, let alone go against a group or gang.  No one wants another Ruby Ridge or Waco type incident, especially with the current climate.  

COVID has temporarily ended courtroom appearances for everyone.  They're doing video teleconference from the prisons now.  Only the most high profile/dangerous/important fugitives are targeted now. Operations guys are basically just doing prisoner transports, which is a big risk for COVID transmission.  I was quarantined 3 times in 2 months for possible COVID exposure.  

Secret Service wins/end rant 

9/19/20 6:09 PM
9/1/04
Posts: 27188

The USSS must have some crazy ass shit set up in there, stuff we don't even know about.

9/19/20 6:09 PM
2/12/14
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onepunchJD -
John Cable - 

 

 

county got old ass squad cars but immaculate. They have old ass crown vics. they just have inmates work on them to keep them going. great fucking shape. perfect. 




Are you quoting a movie or something?

no. the county where I live. They still have some Chevy Caprice squad cars lol. 

 

remember those. great cars. 

9/19/20 6:14 PM
2/12/14
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Muay Tired -
arclight -
Muay Tired - 

I have no idea who the "Marshalls" are, but the U.S.Marshals would not do well in a shoot-out against the Secret Service.  USSS are generally better shots, have higher physical standards (USMS doesn't require you to pass the PT anymore after you graduate the academy, only participate in the PT test) and probably much smarter.  

 

Source: I literally just left USMS 2 pay periods ago for another agency after serving as a DUSM for over 17 years...


Yeah, after than the initial training at Glynco back then, only the SO guys in LA seemed to be the ones that paid attention to staying sharp.

What district were you in? I worked at the HQ in Pentagon City waaay back. Kathy Deoudes, before she became chief of Asset Seizure and Forfeiture, was my boss.


FYI for those wondering about Muay Tired's DUSM title...unlike what you see in the movies the "US Marshal" isn't the guy that really gets things done - the one USM per district is usually a political appointee and a lot of them have questionable quals law enforcement experience wise.

No, it is usually the DUSMs and SDUSMs (senior) on a district that get shit done and are out there doing prisoner transport, warrant execution, fugitive ops, and so on. There's a CDUSM too.

Serving a warrant on Trump, they would probably send a CDUSM and a SDUSM from one of the two USMS districts in DC, just guessing, and no more out of courtesy.

Rereading the thread, I think they wouldnt bother escalating with a USMS SO team if the initial warrant service was blocked. DOJ and Congress would do the rest and eventually remove Trump's chain
of authority. No need for any firefight.

 

I don't want to get into specifics regarding districts/offices/sub-offices of assignments due to doxxing. However, I started in a west coast office and then went to the southwest area. I started when that useless turd Benigno Reyna was director and departed 2 pay periods ago. 

Contrary to popular belief, most deputies aren't fugitive investigators. I would say conservatively, maybe 1/3 are in fugitives/warrants of some sort.  Another 1/3 are inspectors, sort of like specialists, i.e., WitSec inspectors, Judicial Security, TOG guys, etc.  The rest are Operations deputies who do everything: prisoner transports, court (bringing prisoners for court hearings), serving process, JPATS (the prisoner airlift, which inspired Con Air, but is nothing like the movie), sometimes flying prisoners on commercial or charter flights, cellblock duty (like working in a small jail), responding to civil disturbances aka riot duty, protection details for Supreme Court justices, district judges, U.S. Attorneys, and everything else the Attorney General can think of. 

Taking all that into consideration, very few deputies are capable of a force on force fight.  There just isn't that sort of mindset in the Marshals. It was tough enough just getting enough DUSMs to go to the rez to arrest a violator, let alone go against a group or gang.  No one wants another Ruby Ridge or Waco type incident, especially with the current climate.  

COVID has temporarily ended courtroom appearances for everyone.  They're doing video teleconference from the prisons now.  Only the most high profile/dangerous/important fugitives are targeted now. Operations guys are basically just doing prisoner transports, which is a big risk for COVID transmission.  I was quarantined 3 times in 2 months for possible COVID exposure.  

Secret Service wins/end rant 

 

Damn youuuuu!!!!

 

I have nobody to hero worship anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

thats sounds like same standard mundane shit. 

 

I really wanted to be on one of the Violent offenders task forces.  

9/19/20 6:15 PM
6/11/10
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GladiatorGannon -

The USSS must have some crazy ass shit set up in there, stuff we don't even know about.

Most definitely do.

9/19/20 6:17 PM
4/30/08
Posts: 3221

I should also add, for the people who think Deputy U.S. Marshals only do fugitive stuff (thanks Tommy Lee Jones), who do you think ran the El Chapo trial?  USMS SOG DUSMs transported Chapo every day and DUSMs brought him to and from court. That was a highly sought after assignment and the per diem alone was calculated to be around $10K.  I didn't even try to calculate LEAP + OT.

9/19/20 6:29 PM
2/12/14
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GladiatorGannon -

The USSS must have some crazy ass shit set up in there, stuff we don't even know about.

 

I had a couple of days training with USSS kinda like you. They alluded to some heavy shit in the CAT team truck. Dont know if they were fucking around or not. Something to the effect of belt feds and hell on a leash type shit. 

 

Same thing. Why wouldnt you? especially with Trump. Who is to say that someone would not try a hard asault military on POTUS. Especially after how much shit he talks about China and Iran. 

 

better to have it. 

 

My medium sized agency ended up going against a team of full auto take over bank robbers. 270 shell casings (theirs, 7.62) were gathered by Crime Scene afterwards. two squad cars were completely shredded. How can you say it wont happen that you could have an attack on POTUS with RPG s or something more sophisticated. 

 

They are naive if they dont have that stuff. 

9/19/20 6:33 PM
2/12/14
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Muay Tired -

I should also add, for the people who think Deputy U.S. Marshals only do fugitive stuff (thanks Tommy Lee Jones), who do you think ran the El Chapo trial?  USMS SOG DUSMs transported Chapo every day and DUSMs brought him to and from court. That was a highly sought after assignment and the per diem alone was calculated to be around $10K.  I didn't even try to calculate LEAP + OT.

 

what is LEAP? 

 

also do they get per diem regardless if they get fed or not? Were your guys fed along with Chapo? was it catered or jail shit? 

9/19/20 6:40 PM
6/30/07
Posts: 65198

Marshalls kick more doors and are active in down and dirty apprehension.

But SS on their own turf? Marshalls die by the dozens in this scenario. 

9/19/20 6:46 PM
6/30/07
Posts: 65199
John Cable -
GladiatorGannon -

The USSS must have some crazy ass shit set up in there, stuff we don't even know about.

 

I had a couple of days training with USSS kinda like you. They alluded to some heavy shit in the CAT team truck. Dont know if they were fucking around or not. Something to the effect of belt feds and hell on a leash type shit. 

 

Same thing. Why wouldnt you? especially with Trump. Who is to say that someone would not try a hard asault military on POTUS. Especially after how much shit he talks about China and Iran. 

 

better to have it. 

 

My medium sized agency ended up going against a team of full auto take over bank robbers. 270 shell casings (theirs, 7.62) were gathered by Crime Scene afterwards. two squad cars were completely shredded. How can you say it wont happen that you could have an attack on POTUS with RPG s or something more sophisticated. 

 

They are naive if they dont have that stuff. 

A couple times a year we did a cover EMS truck for when Cheney came in. We were basically told that if shit goes down they wouldn't think twice about running over the top of us, that the best move was to get under a vehicle because the hills were filled with shooters.

9/19/20 6:47 PM
4/30/08
Posts: 3222
John Cable -
Muay Tired -

I should also add, for the people who think Deputy U.S. Marshals only do fugitive stuff (thanks Tommy Lee Jones), who do you think ran the El Chapo trial?  USMS SOG DUSMs transported Chapo every day and DUSMs brought him to and from court. That was a highly sought after assignment and the per diem alone was calculated to be around $10K.  I didn't even try to calculate LEAP + OT.

 

what is LEAP? 

 

also do they get per diem regardless if they get fed or not? Were your guys fed along with Chapo? was it catered or jail shit? 

LEAP is law enforcement availability pay, which is 25% on top of your annual salary for being available for call out.  If you go on travel, you normally are entitled to per diem. You don't "get fed" or are catered to.  It's up to you to provide your own meals.  You draw per diem regardless whether you eat at the cafeteria or bring a sandwich from the hotel. Cheap-ass that I am, if I go on assignment, I bring a cooler with sandwich meat, bread, Monsters, etc. and use the per diem for birthday/Christmas gifts. 

9/19/20 6:55 PM
2/12/14
Posts: 3829
Muay Tired -
John Cable -
Muay Tired -

I should also add, for the people who think Deputy U.S. Marshals only do fugitive stuff (thanks Tommy Lee Jones), who do you think ran the El Chapo trial?  USMS SOG DUSMs transported Chapo every day and DUSMs brought him to and from court. That was a highly sought after assignment and the per diem alone was calculated to be around $10K.  I didn't even try to calculate LEAP + OT.

 

what is LEAP? 

 

also do they get per diem regardless if they get fed or not? Were your guys fed along with Chapo? was it catered or jail shit? 

LEAP is law enforcement availability pay, which is 25% on top of your annual salary for being available for call out.  If you go on travel, you normally are entitled to per diem. You don't "get fed" or are catered to.  It's up to you to provide your own meals.  You draw per diem regardless whether you eat at the cafeteria or bring a sandwich from the hotel. Cheap-ass that I am, if I go on assignment, I bring a cooler with sandwich meat, bread, Monsters, etc. and use the per diem for birthday/Christmas gifts. 

 

 

KOOL. That is a pretty good chunk of change. we got nothing for being on-call for Tact. carry a pager and be proud of being such a fucking STUDD! Worked out on our time too, but were made to run for time quarterly. LOL. what a bunch of shit.  

 

I was the same way. I brought my lunch. Most of the time we would not have a lunch break because of call load. I baked my own protein bread bricks. carry in briefcase. about 1000 calories. 

 

eating out pricey, plus in uniform you risk getting pubes put in your food. I caught a dumbass putting a chopped up toothpick in my sandwich one time. lol. 

9/19/20 7:30 PM
2/12/14
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Mountain Medic -
John Cable -
GladiatorGannon -

The USSS must have some crazy ass shit set up in there, stuff we don't even know about.

 

I had a couple of days training with USSS kinda like you. They alluded to some heavy shit in the CAT team truck. Dont know if they were fucking around or not. Something to the effect of belt feds and hell on a leash type shit. 

 

Same thing. Why wouldnt you? especially with Trump. Who is to say that someone would not try a hard asault military on POTUS. Especially after how much shit he talks about China and Iran. 

 

better to have it. 

 

My medium sized agency ended up going against a team of full auto take over bank robbers. 270 shell casings (theirs, 7.62) were gathered by Crime Scene afterwards. two squad cars were completely shredded. How can you say it wont happen that you could have an attack on POTUS with RPG s or something more sophisticated. 

 

They are naive if they dont have that stuff. 

A couple times a year we did a cover EMS truck for when Cheney came in. We were basically told that if shit goes down they wouldn't think twice about running over the top of us, that the best move was to get under a vehicle because the hills were filled with shooters.

 

 

I dont doubt it. SS makes it clear who alpha is. 

 

when Cheney got shot in the face hunting in Texas. SS shut down the ranch. Nobody got in . !!

 

Locals were allowed in to investigate a day or two later. lol. everything cleaned up and sanitized, err stories got together and everybody sobered up. 

9/19/20 7:59 PM
4/27/14
Posts: 26637

Not to be Captain Bringdown in this scenario, but the actual battle would not be between USMS and USSS, but between the White House Counsel and President Trump's personal attormey, and on the other side the staff attorneys for (I would guess) the House Judiciary Council and probably the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. They would hash it out and on advice of counsel, would decide whether the President would be subject to arrest, and certainly conduct iiaison with the Director of the USSS before any arrest. The Director of the USSS, like all federal officers, made an oath to the Constitution and the lawful orders of the President, it's not like the USSS is a Praetorian Guard who has sworn a blood oath of allegiance to the President. If there was a lawful warrant, they would be obligated to assist in the legal process. Trump has actually shown a record of complying with congressional and judicial actions to date, it's not like he would refuse to comply I doubt gunplay would be involved, although it's fun to imagine this as an episode of that old show "Deadliest Warrior" (like, "who would win if al Qaeda fought the IRA?")

You are not going to put the President of the United States in a D.C. jail for obvious reasons, however much Nancy Pelosi might want a perp walk. They would probably bring a magistrate in to the Oval Office, make a determination as to what happens next, and release him on his own recognizance. A determination would be made by the President and VP as to whether the VP wpuld assume the office in this case.

The USMS's jurisdiction lies (or at least this used to be the case, Muay Tired can tell you for sure) with those whose cases have previously been before a magistrate, whether state or federal...so Trump woud not be subject to arrest by the Marshals. (Generally speaking the FBI handles fugitives who have not yet been adjudicated as UFAPs, Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution.) Depending on which crime of which Trump would be charged, the federal law enforcement branch which has jurisdiction over that violation would make the arrest. Each agency serves its own warrants. So if Trump was charged with, say, an IRS violation, the IRS would serve the warrrant. As the FBI has jurisdiction over the greatest number of federal violations, most of which would be the ones likely to be charged in this scenario, the FBI would likely be the ones to serve the actual warrant.

The closest thing to such a scenario that has actually happened was Watergate, probably. One of the senior agents on my squad when I first started working was assigned to the Washington D.C. Field Office when he was a young agent and had to serve a warrant during the Watergate investigation on Nixon (I can't remember what for, whether it was to compel testimony or provide evidence or what). He went to the White House, was brought in by the USSS who had been briefed that he was coming. They took him to John Dean, who told him Nixon was in a meeting and that he could serve him with the warrant when he got out. Then Dean walked off and they left him standing there in the hallway outside a meeting room, with just a couple of USSS agents standing guard outside. Nixon came out, surrounded by a bunch of other people, and my friend walked up to him, identified himself, amd said he had to speak to him about a warrant. Nixon grabbed him by the the lapel of his jacket and shoved him into an adjacent small room. Nixon was obviously pissed off but was still polite to the agent, and Nixon said he should do something like that when the President wasn't around a group of staffers. My friend served him with the warrant, Nixon accepted it, asked him where he was from, where he went to college, shook his hand (kind of weird), then hurried off.

9/19/20 8:05 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 42264

I have one friend that is SS.

Totally unassuming.

Looks like a college hippy millennial hipster.

Except his backpack is loaded out.

HK MP5. Handgun. Comms. First aid. More.

9/19/20 8:44 PM
4/30/08
Posts: 3223

Hey, all I know is the President was arrested  by Deputy U.S. Marshals on "24". So it must be correct.

9/19/20 9:14 PM
2/12/14
Posts: 3835
The Stewed Owl -

Not to be Captain Bringdown in this scenario, but the actual battle would not be between USMS and USSS, but between the White House Counsel and President Trump's personal attormey, and on the other side the staff attorneys for (I would guess) the House Judiciary Council and probably the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. They would hash it out and on advice of counsel, would decide whether the President would be subject to arrest, and certainly conduct iiaison with the Director of the USSS before any arrest. The Director of the USSS, like all federal officers, made an oath to the Constitution and the lawful orders of the President, it's not like the USSS is a Praetorian Guard who has sworn a blood oath of allegiance to the President. If there was a lawful warrant, they would be obligated to assist in the legal process. Trump has actually shown a record of complying with congressional and judicial actions to date, it's not like he would refuse to comply I doubt gunplay would be involved, although it's fun to imagine this as an episode of that old show "Deadliest Warrior" (like, "who would win if al Qaeda fought the IRA?")

You are not going to put the President of the United States in a D.C. jail for obvious reasons, however much Nancy Pelosi might want a perp walk. They would probably bring a magistrate in to the Oval Office, make a determination as to what happens next, and release him on his own recognizance. A determination would be made by the President and VP as to whether the VP wpuld assume the office in this case.

The USMS's jurisdiction lies (or at least this used to be the case, Muay Tired can tell you for sure) with those whose cases have previously been before a magistrate, whether state or federal...so Trump woud not be subject to arrest by the Marshals. (Generally speaking the FBI handles fugitives who have not yet been adjudicated as UFAPs, Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution.) Depending on which crime of which Trump would be charged, the federal law enforcement branch which has jurisdiction over that violation would make the arrest. Each agency serves its own warrants. So if Trump was charged with, say, an IRS violation, the IRS would serve the warrrant. As the FBI has jurisdiction over the greatest number of federal violations, most of which would be the ones likely to be charged in this scenario, the FBI would likely be the ones to serve the actual warrant.

The closest thing to such a scenario that has actually happened was Watergate, probably. One of the senior agents on my squad when I first started working was assigned to the Washington D.C. Field Office when he was a young agent and had to serve a warrant during the Watergate investigation on Nixon (I can't remember what for, whether it was to compel testimony or provide evidence or what). He went to the White House, was brought in by the USSS who had been briefed that he was coming. They took him to John Dean, who told him Nixon was in a meeting and that he could serve him with the warrant when he got out. Then Dean walked off and they left him standing there in the hallway outside a meeting room, with just a couple of USSS agents standing guard outside. Nixon came out, surrounded by a bunch of other people, and my friend walked up to him, identified himself, amd said he had to speak to him about a warrant. Nixon grabbed him by the the lapel of his jacket and shoved him into an adjacent small room. Nixon was obviously pissed off but was still polite to the agent, and Nixon said he should do something like that when the President wasn't around a group of staffers. My friend served him with the warrant, Nixon accepted it, asked him where he was from, where he went to college, shook his hand (kind of weird), then hurried off.

 

 

thanks for that. good shit and very entertaining. The Nixon story sounds just like his sleazy ass. lol. Too bad your guy did not double leg and cuff him for assault . 

 

Although Im pretty sure Marshals do go after people that have not been before a judge before. But we have an expert on that topic here, that can address that.