yusul - <blockquote>BrowBeaten - <span id='userPost64342477' class='User-371554'><p>Jesus I'm not reading all that.</p><p> </p><p>Please explain in 3 sentences or less. </p></span></blockquote><br />
randi had no science credentials, and was a denier rarther than skeptic. <br /><br />
his org and tests were not scientific nor fair and he rejected most of the applicants. <br /><br />
he also was a liar and had other skeptics leave his org. <br /><br />
more people were hoodwinked into believing him than there were ogers scammed in a gofundme. <br /><br /><br />
sorry that's 4.
Randi was a magician, not a scientist. Scientists are often fooled by magicians. That's why Randi was successful at debunking and exposing frauds that had previously fooled scientists.
All of the so-called self-proclaimed psychics are nothing more than magicians, at best, and outright frauds at worst.
If you want to find out how a magic trick is done would you ask a magician or a scientist?
It's a good point. And I appreciate Randi's debunking. I still have a copy of An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural on my bookshelf.
But where Sheldrake makes this point about Randi not being a scientist, it reflects on things besides catching illusionists posing as "magicians." There are protocols for evidence, for experiments, etc. For Randi to make this challenge and be sole "judge and jury" of the "testing" of psi phenomena, even if it was real which I doubt, it was still non-scientific. As Sheldrake pointed out, "Ray Hyman, a professor of psychology and Fellow of CSICOP, pointed out this 'prize' cannot be taken seriously from a scientific point of view."
And then how many people out there say things like "No one got the $1m - psi/esp/whatever doesn't exist"? They are using a non-scientific (and IMO a sham) "challenge" as their backing. I'm not sticking up for hucksters and I am not attacking Randi at any other level. I'm saying there were a whole lot of problems with the challenge and the way Randi ran it truly seems deceptive to me.