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NoNeed4aScreenName - Editing. Will try from p.c at another time

Yeah. 

Bob Mueller met Yanukovych while he was director of the FBI. Travelled to Ukraine to speak with him. 

Maybe you or the Twitter propagandist (Mr. Posobiec) can clue me in on the point of using this to throw shade.

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NoNeed4aScreenName - Editing. Will try from p.c at another time

Yeah. 

Bob Mueller met Yanukovych when he was director of the FBI. Travelled to Ukraine to speak with him. 

Maybe you or the Twitter propagandist (Mr. Posobiec) can clue me in on the point of using this to throw shade.


Tweet in question:

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pulsar - All this smoke is obscuring the acts of collusion and obstruction of justice

Anyway. That Paul Manafort article in the Atlantic is an awesome read.

The acts of collusion are smokey. That smoke will lead to a fire if we see indictments detailing it, but we can only speculate. 

The two articles on the Conspiracy Against the U.S. linked under the Manafort and IRA indictments (above) propose the possibility that those charges will lay the groundwork for “collusion” charged as conspiracy similar to how it functions in those indictments. 

The Wheeler links under Papadopoulos on his communication timeline and possible signaling are worth a read re: coordination with Russia too.

If mueller keeps expanding the scope of his investigation like he has been over the last year, hes bound to find something. Whether or not that actually has to do with collusion has yet to be seen

How about the emails showing representatives of Russia met with Trump's senior campaign team for the purpose of giving dirt on Clinton. And then the following day Trump said in a speech he would be released dirt on Clinton and then they all denied the meeting ever happened. Does that count?

I guess it all comes down to who arranged that meeting to cover their ass.

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus: 

why not info on the key guy that everyone is missing including the media: Erik Prince 

That meeting will be key and has been on the radar for over a year 

 

 

 

 

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus: 

why not info on the key guy that everyone is missing including the media: Erik Prince 

That meeting will be key and has been on the radar for over a year 

 

 

 

 

Forthcoming. 

I linked his House testimony on the previous page under | George Nader |, and also referenced a brilliant analysis of that same testimony by Seth Abramson under Twitter Feeds on the first page.

There are lots of connected players though. Not sure how to best fit them all in. I figured I’d do it when new reports involve them as we go.

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus: 

why not info on the key guy that everyone is missing including the media: Erik Prince 

That meeting will be key and has been on the radar for over a year 

 

 

 

 

Forthcoming. 

I linked his House testimony on the previous page under | George Nader |, and also referenced a brilliant analysis of that same testimony by Seth Abramson under Twitter Feeds on the first page.

There are lots of connected players though. Not sure how to best fit them all in. I figured I’d do it when new reports involve them as we go.

Appreciate it. I thought this guy would be indicted faster than Flynn/Manafort as his meeting was confirmed. What’s even more interesting is everyone who was at that meeting (the Mediator from the Middle East already confirmed it with Mueller and mentioned everyone there). 

People are overlooking Prince, but maybe there is a reason why Mueller is waiting.... 

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus: 

why not info on the key guy that everyone is missing including the media: Erik Prince 

That meeting will be key and has been on the radar for over a year 

 

 

 

 

Forthcoming. 

I linked his House testimony on the previous page under | George Nader |, and also referenced a brilliant analysis of that same testimony by Seth Abramson under Twitter Feeds on the first page.

There are lots of connected players though. Not sure how to best fit them all in. I figured I’d do it when new reports involve them as we go.

Appreciate it. I thought this guy would be indicted faster than Flynn/Manafort as his meeting was confirmed. What’s even more interesting is everyone who was at that meeting (the Mediator from the Middle East already confirmed it with Mueller and mentioned everyone there). 

People are overlooking Prince, but maybe there is a reason why Mueller is waiting.... 

Ever seen the movie The Departed?

Leonardo DiCaprio’s character (Billy Costigan) punches a guy in a bar for making a joke about ordering cranberry juice. Frank Costello’s right-hand-man breaks it up and lectures Billy about guys you can hit, guys you can almost not hit, and guys you definitely can’t hit. 

Erik Prince is almost a guy that is above the law in my opinion. He blatantly lied during his House testimony, spoke down to congressman throughout, and basically told them to hurry the fuck up and stop wasting his time. 

His resume is extraordinary. Former Navy seal, has worked in the dark arts for the most powerful men in the world for decades, and so on. 

I don’t think this team of federal prosecutors care about his status, but indicting someone like Prince probably takes a lot more consideration than the average joe.  

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus: 

why not info on the key guy that everyone is missing including the media: Erik Prince 

That meeting will be key and has been on the radar for over a year 

 

 

 

 

Forthcoming. 

I linked his House testimony on the previous page under | George Nader |, and also referenced a brilliant analysis of that same testimony by Seth Abramson under Twitter Feeds on the first page.

There are lots of connected players though. Not sure how to best fit them all in. I figured I’d do it when new reports involve them as we go.

Appreciate it. I thought this guy would be indicted faster than Flynn/Manafort as his meeting was confirmed. What’s even more interesting is everyone who was at that meeting (the Mediator from the Middle East already confirmed it with Mueller and mentioned everyone there). 

People are overlooking Prince, but maybe there is a reason why Mueller is waiting.... 

Ever seen the movie The Departed?

Leonardo DiCaprio’s character (Billy Costigan) punches a guy in a bar for making a joke about ordering cranberry juice. Frank Costello’s right-hand-man breaks it up and lectures Billy about guys you can hit, guys you can almost not hit, and guys you definitely can’t hit. 

Erik Prince is almost a guy that is above the law in my opinion. He blatantly lied during his House testimony, spoke down to congressman throughout, and basically told them to hurry the fuck up and stop wasting his time. 

His resume is extraordinary. Former Navy seal, has worked in the dark arts for the most powerful men in the world for decades, and so on. 

I don’t think this team of federal prosecutors care about his status, but indicting someone like Prince probably takes a lot more consideration than the average joe.  

Don’t forget his net worth and his sister (Betsy DeVos) 

 

Today thanks to his family money and the incredible success of Blackwater during its heyday, Erik Prince has a personal net worth of $2.4 billion. In addition to his role in Blackwater, Prince has also served as part of a covert CIA task force.Nov 5, 2013

 

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus: 

why not info on the key guy that everyone is missing including the media: Erik Prince 

That meeting will be key and has been on the radar for over a year 

 

 

 

 

Forthcoming. 

I linked his House testimony on the previous page under | George Nader |, and also referenced a brilliant analysis of that same testimony by Seth Abramson under Twitter Feeds on the first page.

There are lots of connected players though. Not sure how to best fit them all in. I figured I’d do it when new reports involve them as we go.

Appreciate it. I thought this guy would be indicted faster than Flynn/Manafort as his meeting was confirmed. What’s even more interesting is everyone who was at that meeting (the Mediator from the Middle East already confirmed it with Mueller and mentioned everyone there). 

People are overlooking Prince, but maybe there is a reason why Mueller is waiting.... 

Ever seen the movie The Departed?

Leonardo DiCaprio’s character (Billy Costigan) punches a guy in a bar for making a joke about ordering cranberry juice. Frank Costello’s right-hand-man breaks it up and lectures Billy about guys you can hit, guys you can almost not hit, and guys you definitely can’t hit. 

Erik Prince is almost a guy that is above the law in my opinion. He blatantly lied during his House testimony, spoke down to congressman throughout, and basically told them to hurry the fuck up and stop wasting his time. 

His resume is extraordinary. Former Navy seal, has worked in the dark arts for the most powerful men in the world for decades, and so on. 

I don’t think this team of federal prosecutors care about his status, but indicting someone like Prince probably takes a lot more consideration than the average joe.  

Don’t forget his net worth and his sister (Betsy DeVos) 

 

Today thanks to his family money and the incredible success of Blackwater during its heyday, Erik Prince has a personal net worth of $2.4 billion. In addition to his role in Blackwater, Prince has also served as part of a covert CIA task force.Nov 5, 2013

 

He still runs the FSG as well.

4/9/18 4:33 PM
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FBI raids Michael Cohen’s office:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html

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FBI raids Michael Cohen’s office:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html

The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

Mr. Cohen plays a role in aspects of the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. He also recently said he paid $130,000 to a pornographic-film actress, Stephanie Clifford, who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump. Ms. Clifford is known as Stormy Daniels.

 

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus: 

why not info on the key guy that everyone is missing including the media: Erik Prince 

That meeting will be key and has been on the radar for over a year 

 

 

 

 

Forthcoming. 

I linked his House testimony on the previous page under | George Nader |, and also referenced a brilliant analysis of that same testimony by Seth Abramson under Twitter Feeds on the first page.

There are lots of connected players though. Not sure how to best fit them all in. I figured I’d do it when new reports involve them as we go.

Appreciate it. I thought this guy would be indicted faster than Flynn/Manafort as his meeting was confirmed. What’s even more interesting is everyone who was at that meeting (the Mediator from the Middle East already confirmed it with Mueller and mentioned everyone there). 

People are overlooking Prince, but maybe there is a reason why Mueller is waiting.... 

Ever seen the movie The Departed?

Leonardo DiCaprio’s character (Billy Costigan) punches a guy in a bar for making a joke about ordering cranberry juice. Frank Costello’s right-hand-man breaks it up and lectures Billy about guys you can hit, guys you can almost not hit, and guys you definitely can’t hit. 

Erik Prince is almost a guy that is above the law in my opinion. He blatantly lied during his House testimony, spoke down to congressman throughout, and basically told them to hurry the fuck up and stop wasting his time. 

His resume is extraordinary. Former Navy seal, has worked in the dark arts for the most powerful men in the world for decades, and so on. 

I don’t think this team of federal prosecutors care about his status, but indicting someone like Prince probably takes a lot more consideration than the average joe.  

Don’t forget his net worth and his sister (Betsy DeVos) 

 

Today thanks to his family money and the incredible success of Blackwater during its heyday, Erik Prince has a personal net worth of $2.4 billion. In addition to his role in Blackwater, Prince has also served as part of a covert CIA task force.Nov 5, 2013

 

He still runs the FSG as well.

Which has connections to Cambridge Analytica lol 

 

what a mess 

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| Michael Cohen |

Role: personal lawyer to President Donald Trump; National Deputy Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee

Per Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cohen_(lawyer)

- 'In late January 2017, Cohen met with Ukrainian opposition politician Andrey Artemenko and Felix Sater at the Loews Regency in Manhattan to discuss a plan to lift sanctions against Russia. The proposed plan would require that Russian forces withdraw from eastern Ukraine and that Ukraine hold a referendum on whether Crimea should be "leased" to Russia for 50 or 100 years. Cohen was given a written proposal in a sealed envelope that he delivered to then-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn in early February (A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates[NYT - 02/19/2017].)

- 'On April 9, 2018, the FBI raided his Cohen's office, as well as his hotel room at the Loews Regency Hotel on Park Avenue, pursuant to a federal search warrant. The search occurred in connection with an investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York. Agents seized emails, tax records, business records, and other matter related to several topics, including payments made by Cohen to Stormy Daniels. Cohen is under federal investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and violations of campaign finance law, according to media reports. The Wall Street Journal, citing a person familar with the matter, said that federal prosecutors in the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's office are coordinating efforts with the Mueller investigation'

More:

- Special counsel has examined episodes involving Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer (The Washington Post - 03/06/2018)

Mueller probe tracking down Trump business partners, with Cohen a focus of queries (McClatchy - 04/06/2018)

 

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The McClatchy DC article was published three days ago. Highlights:

- 'Armed with subpoenas compelling electronic records and sworn testimony, Mueller’s team showed up unannounced at the home of the business associate, who was a party to multiple transactions connected to Trump’s effort to expand his brand abroad, according to persons familiar with the proceedings.'

- 'Investigators were particularly interested in interactions involving Michael D. Cohen, Trump’s longtime personal attorney and a former Trump Organization employee. Among other things, Cohen was involved in business deals secured or sought by the Trump Organization in Georgia, Kazakhstan and Russia.'

-'Sater is cooperating with Mueller’s investigation and provided more than six hours of closed-door testimony on Wednesday to the Senate Intelligence Committee, which also focused heavily on the deals involving Cohen, according to multiple people with knowledge of the hearing. Sater previously provided similar closed-door testimony to the House Intelligence Committee in December 2017.'

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Will be interesting to see how everything surrounding Cohen develops. He obviously has crucial communications with a number of players, so having his home and office raided, devices seized, etc. is significant.

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& Marcy Wheeler makes an interesting observation.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/04/09/michael-cohens-stormy-weather/

"Last week, in my analysis of the Mueller filing explaining his mandate, I suggested he was getting some things approved that weren’t relevant to the Manafort challenge but were relevant to the larger investigation.

Like this:

The filing includes a quotation from DOJ’s discussion of special counsels making it clear that it’s normal to investigate crimes that might lead someone to flip.

[I]n deciding when additional jurisdiction is needed, the Special Counsel can draw guidance from the Department’s discussion accompanying the issuance of the Special Counsel regulations. That discussion illustrated the type of “adjustments to jurisdiction” that fall within Section 600.4(b). “For example,” the discussion stated, “a Special Counsel assigned responsibility for an alleged false statement about a government program may request additional jurisdiction to investigate allegations of misconduct with respect to the administration of that program; [or] a Special Counsel may conclude that investigating otherwise unrelated allegations against a central witness in the matter is necessary to obtain cooperation.”

That one is technically relevant here — one thing Mueller is doing with the Manafort prosecution (and successfully did with the Gates one) is to flip witnesses against Trump. But it also makes it clear that Mueller could do so more generally.

So when Amy Berman Jackson rules against what was ultimately a desperate bid by Trump’s campaign chair, she’ll be implicitly approving of practices like “investigating otherwise unrelated allegations against a central witness” if it’s “necessary to obtain cooperation.”

And just to be sure, Michael Dreeben will be on hand for this argument."

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^So - I have never agreed with Wheeler that Trump is the ultimate target. I still don't.

But a raid and I'm assuming an eventual indictment on Cohen definitely strengthens her argument about where this is going.

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Anyone know why Michael Cohen, as Trump’s personal attorney, was discussing sanctions with Felix Sater (who was at one point a FBI informant) and Andrey Artemenko (expelled from his party and stripped of his Ukranian citizenship for it)?

Strange ordeal.

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Will be interesting to see how everything surrounding Cohen develops. He obviously has crucial communications with a number of players, so having his home and office raided, devices seized, etc. is significant.

Wonder what they found to execute that. Crazy shit. 

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Will be interesting to see how everything surrounding Cohen develops. He obviously has crucial communications with a number of players, so having his home and office raided, devices seized, etc. is significant.

Wonder what they found to execute that. Crazy shit. 

Take your pick of financial crimes. Cohen is probably about to learn the hard way he's been the useful idiot this entire time.

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Will be interesting to see how everything surrounding Cohen develops. He obviously has crucial communications with a number of players, so having his home and office raided, devices seized, etc. is significant.

Wonder what they found to execute that. Crazy shit. 

Take your pick of financial crimes. Cohen is probably about to learn the hard way he's been the useful idiot this entire time.

It’d be more than just that probably. But yeah, it is pretty much “take your pick” lol 

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Pumpkin basically talks at himself for this entire thread, nice work cunty.

A personal weakness. Keep an eye on it though!

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Some new reports regarding additional meetings under the microscope from Seychelles:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/exclusive_robert_muellers_team_in_charge_of_invest.html

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NYS AG recused

Rosenstien signed off on raid on Cohen