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8/15/19 11:37 AM
5/29/18
Posts: 2518
Poiupoiu -

How do you specifically know its that guy?

 

Just because he asked your assistant, doesn't prove its him. 

Put her on the list.

Shes a looney bird.

8/15/19 11:40 AM
11/9/05
Posts: 28761
mglaw - My buddy had a couple of wraps from Tropical Smoothy stolen out of the fridge.

He got another wrap one day and un-wrapped it and filled it with 2 pens full of ink and wrapped it back up.

Right before lunch, he made a bid deal about having to leave the office, everyone enjoy lunch etc...

Office dick comes along and steals the wrap. After a couple of bites I guess he realizes that it is not balsamic vinaigrette he has been eating.

As he is walking through the office, his lips were black along with his gums and teeth. I never thought it would work in a million years.

I don't think anything else was ever stolen.

You’re a lawyer, correct?

Perhaps you can enlighten us on whether or not the thief would have to prove intent if he chose to pursue legal options over Breezah putting laxatives in her own food.

8/15/19 11:41 AM
11/9/05
Posts: 28762
iclimb513 -
Rhymenoceros -
itskrisdude - 
blabbermouth -
itskrisdude -
blabbermouth -
itskrisdude -
blabbermouth -

It's illegal to contaminate food, even if it's your own. The reason for this is they can prove it's malice because you're not likely to prepare a sandwich full of laxatives for yourself, hence obviously you planned on poisoning someone. The only way to contaminate your own food is if it's something that you could pass off as intending to consume yourself -- i.e. load it up with hot sauce.  They can't prove that's malice because you might legitimately eat it yourself.

 

Liquids makes this tricky because you're not likely to put hot sauce in a beverage.

Malice couldn’t be proven through a laxative because it can be used for self-treatment.

Your food would have to be loaded up eye drops or something to prove ill intent.

You're wrong. Time and time again, people spiking their own food with laxatives get charged. No one treats themselves with laxatives by hiding it in their food. You're expected to take it like a big boy, not sneak it into your own food at work.

People are free to take substances for self-treatment any way they see fit. The fact they literally make chocolate laxatives demonstrates as much. The law has no guideline or expectation in that regard.

So, feel free to show me the plethora of cases involving people mixing laxatives in their own food. I’m fascinated.

You are very ignorant.

 

Follow this link.

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/search?q=laxative&restrict_sr=on

 

Feel free to create an account there and put forth your ignorant opinion that they're all wrong. I would love to see that.

 

It’s clear you’re a tad doltish, so I’ll say it again, the issue here is whether or not you can prove intent. Since she’s never confronted him about the theft, he can’t even prove she knew he was stealing her food.

And I see you can’t cite a single case despite your claim people are charged, “time and time again”

Thanks for playing. You can go back to sleep now.


It's so weird you're digging in on this. You don't have a single day of legal training. Why are you so convinced you're right?

Dunning-Krueger effect? That's what that is, right? 

Totally.

8/15/19 11:50 AM
6/13/07
Posts: 12383
This is a common occurrence here. Everything will be fine for 8-12 months, then boom shit starts vanishing. Either confront the person since you know who is doing it, or take it to HR. Tampering with food is a felony in most states.

That said, I can eat carolina reapers without much sweating or cursing. I'd find a way to pay him back that wouldnt lead to me.
8/15/19 11:59 AM
11/23/07
Posts: 13174
Poiupoiu -

How do you specifically know its that guy?

 

Just because he asked your assistant, doesn't prove its him. 

I know it's him, because before he spoke to her, I heard him bumbling around in there muttering to himself about wanting a coke, asking himself what kind of coke he'd just encountered, and then heard the can crack open. He then passed my office drinking it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8/15/19 12:00 PM
5/29/18
Posts: 2519
Breezah -
Poiupoiu -

How do you specifically know its that guy?

 

Just because he asked your assistant, doesn't prove its him. 

I know it's him, because before he spoke to her, I heard him bumbling around in there muttering to himself about wanting a coke, asking himself what kind of coke he'd just encountered, and then heard the can crack open. He then passed my office drinking it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're crazy man.

Hearing and seeing things.

Delusions all around lol

8/15/19 12:01 PM
5/29/18
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8/15/19 12:10 PM
11/23/07
Posts: 13175
itskrisdude -
iclimb513 -
itskrisdude -
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itskrisdude -
blabbermouth -
itskrisdude -
blabbermouth -

It's illegal to contaminate food, even if it's your own. The reason for this is they can prove it's malice because you're not likely to prepare a sandwich full of laxatives for yourself, hence obviously you planned on poisoning someone. The only way to contaminate your own food is if it's something that you could pass off as intending to consume yourself -- i.e. load it up with hot sauce.  They can't prove that's malice because you might legitimately eat it yourself.

 

Liquids makes this tricky because you're not likely to put hot sauce in a beverage.

Malice couldn’t be proven through a laxative because it can be used for self-treatment.

Your food would have to be loaded up eye drops or something to prove ill intent.

You're wrong. Time and time again, people spiking their own food with laxatives get charged. No one treats themselves with laxatives by hiding it in their food. You're expected to take it like a big boy, not sneak it into your own food at work.

People are free to take substances for self-treatment any way they see fit. The fact they literally make chocolate laxatives demonstrates as much. The law has no guideline or expectation in that regard.

So, feel free to show me the plethora of cases involving people mixing laxatives in their own food. I’m fascinated.

I tend to think a judge or jury would laugh in your face if you offered up this defense. Because no one does it and it's far easier to believe the food was adulterated for revenge purposes. 

People probably think of all kinds of defense possibilities that fall apart when a trier of facts applies reason. 

But I'd also like to see any cases on the subject. 

 

They would laugh at the case being presented in the first place.

Who the fuck is going to sue someone because the item they attempted to steal made them shit? They immediately incriminate themselves, and then have to PROVE the person they stole from wasn’t in fact constipated. 

Breezah’s idea is ironclad. If she brought chocolates to work, with no intention of sharing them, she’s under no obligation to label them as laxatives or inform her coworkers she has a bowel problem.

If he stole a few, ate them, and shit his brains out, he has absolutely no recourse whatsoever. The food he ate did exactly what it’s intended to do.

Are you an attorney / legal expert? I'm sure not. 

I'd like to see one weigh in. 

Also, forget being sued. I meant a criminal case.  Giving someone laxatives without their knowledge or permission sure sounds illegal. Yes I know you think this doesnt qualify as "giving to them". Theres probably legal nuance to that definition based on circumstance. 

But there could be a civil one to go along with that.

 

He has to incriminate himself in a criminal case as well. The authorities aren’t going to know about the shit-sandwich, or chocolates, unless the thief confesses to being a thief.

And yes, giving out laxatives can certainly result in consequences. I remember a soccer mom being prosecuted for handing out lax cookies at some kind of fundraiser. 

But, nothing was given out in this scenario - it was stolen. Since the culprit would never have consumed the substance without stealing the property, he has to prove the person he stole from didn’t have a bowel issue, as it’s the only way he could establish intent.

If the food owner says, “Laxatives can sometimes be hard on my stomach so I prefer to mix it with food. It was my lunch, and I had no intention of giving to anyone else,” how can he prove otherwise? 

It would be her word against that of a confessed, established thief. Comical.

If it were eye drops or some chemical people don’t consume, it would obviously be easier to establish intent.

 

I'm not going to lace his food. 

 

I'm pretty much down to timing the can exploding or putting ghost pepper oil on the rim...because envisioning either of these scenarios makes me laugh hysterically.

8/15/19 12:12 PM
11/9/05
Posts: 28764

Word.

The ghost pepper was my favorite as well.

8/15/19 12:14 PM
2/13/16
Posts: 4925

Put gloves on.

Buy the hottest peppers you can find.

Cut up the peppers and seeds and get as much juice out of them onto the rim of the soda mouth piece.

Watch him burn his lips.

8/15/19 12:14 PM
2/13/16
Posts: 4926
Breezah -
itskrisdude -
iclimb513 -
itskrisdude -
iclimb513 -
itskrisdude -
blabbermouth -
itskrisdude -
blabbermouth -

It's illegal to contaminate food, even if it's your own. The reason for this is they can prove it's malice because you're not likely to prepare a sandwich full of laxatives for yourself, hence obviously you planned on poisoning someone. The only way to contaminate your own food is if it's something that you could pass off as intending to consume yourself -- i.e. load it up with hot sauce.  They can't prove that's malice because you might legitimately eat it yourself.

 

Liquids makes this tricky because you're not likely to put hot sauce in a beverage.

Malice couldn’t be proven through a laxative because it can be used for self-treatment.

Your food would have to be loaded up eye drops or something to prove ill intent.

You're wrong. Time and time again, people spiking their own food with laxatives get charged. No one treats themselves with laxatives by hiding it in their food. You're expected to take it like a big boy, not sneak it into your own food at work.

People are free to take substances for self-treatment any way they see fit. The fact they literally make chocolate laxatives demonstrates as much. The law has no guideline or expectation in that regard.

So, feel free to show me the plethora of cases involving people mixing laxatives in their own food. I’m fascinated.

I tend to think a judge or jury would laugh in your face if you offered up this defense. Because no one does it and it's far easier to believe the food was adulterated for revenge purposes. 

People probably think of all kinds of defense possibilities that fall apart when a trier of facts applies reason. 

But I'd also like to see any cases on the subject. 

 

They would laugh at the case being presented in the first place.

Who the fuck is going to sue someone because the item they attempted to steal made them shit? They immediately incriminate themselves, and then have to PROVE the person they stole from wasn’t in fact constipated. 

Breezah’s idea is ironclad. If she brought chocolates to work, with no intention of sharing them, she’s under no obligation to label them as laxatives or inform her coworkers she has a bowel problem.

If he stole a few, ate them, and shit his brains out, he has absolutely no recourse whatsoever. The food he ate did exactly what it’s intended to do.

Are you an attorney / legal expert? I'm sure not. 

I'd like to see one weigh in. 

Also, forget being sued. I meant a criminal case.  Giving someone laxatives without their knowledge or permission sure sounds illegal. Yes I know you think this doesnt qualify as "giving to them". Theres probably legal nuance to that definition based on circumstance. 

But there could be a civil one to go along with that.

 

He has to incriminate himself in a criminal case as well. The authorities aren’t going to know about the shit-sandwich, or chocolates, unless the thief confesses to being a thief.

And yes, giving out laxatives can certainly result in consequences. I remember a soccer mom being prosecuted for handing out lax cookies at some kind of fundraiser. 

But, nothing was given out in this scenario - it was stolen. Since the culprit would never have consumed the substance without stealing the property, he has to prove the person he stole from didn’t have a bowel issue, as it’s the only way he could establish intent.

If the food owner says, “Laxatives can sometimes be hard on my stomach so I prefer to mix it with food. It was my lunch, and I had no intention of giving to anyone else,” how can he prove otherwise? 

It would be her word against that of a confessed, established thief. Comical.

If it were eye drops or some chemical people don’t consume, it would obviously be easier to establish intent.

 

I'm not going to lace his food. 

 

I'm pretty much down to timing the can exploding or putting ghost pepper oil on the rim...because envisioning either of these scenarios makes me laugh hysterically.

Nvm someone beat me to it.  Lol.

8/15/19 8:30 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 6462
itskrisdude - 
mglaw - My buddy had a couple of wraps from Tropical Smoothy stolen out of the fridge.

He got another wrap one day and un-wrapped it and filled it with 2 pens full of ink and wrapped it back up.

Right before lunch, he made a bid deal about having to leave the office, everyone enjoy lunch etc...

Office dick comes along and steals the wrap. After a couple of bites I guess he realizes that it is not balsamic vinaigrette he has been eating.

As he is walking through the office, his lips were black along with his gums and teeth. I never thought it would work in a million years.

I don't think anything else was ever stolen.

You’re a lawyer, correct?

Perhaps you can enlighten us on whether or not the thief would have to prove intent if he chose to pursue legal options over Breezah putting laxatives in her own food.


No, I retired from law enforcement. The office dick who did this was a non-sworn personnel so we didn't give a fuck who he complained to.

I'm sure we had "HR" back then but I don't remember ever dealing with them and we were a rough group in dealing with the practical jokes and the opposite sex.

I've never heard anything about fucking with your own food and the intent involved if someone else ingested but I'm sure it's probably a things these days.
8/15/19 8:46 PM
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8/15/19 10:58 PM
11/23/07
Posts: 13176

C’mon man, life’s funny.

 

-Jack Handey 

8/15/19 11:04 PM
11/20/09
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8/15/19 11:37 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 19115

You’re going about this all wrong. He’s stealing drinks from you and you both know it. Spiking or shaking your drink is shortsighted. He will know who did it and then your hand is shown and your game is blown. He can go to HR and get you fired. Spiking with hot pepper juice is retarded and is assault if he wants to be a dick about it. It is assault. Whether you can lie your way out of that fact is unlikely, but that’s your hope. Just a stupid plan all around. Shaking it is amateur hour and unlikely to work. Forget this altogether. 

Find another amazing way to fuck with this guy, unrelated to your food. Continue to allow him to steal your sodas for now since that’s a small cost for your entertainment and for not blowing your fucking cover. Don’t wet his seat or any low level prank. Think of something brilliant and execute it. Something that will play out over time, driving him more and more mad and crazy all the while maintaining your cover. That’s the goal.

 

 

8/15/19 11:47 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 19116

Try this and any other anonymous idea you can think of to keep fucking with this guy.

get shitsenders.com to send shit to every single person in your office, except for him, and make sure it’s all delivered on his birthday. This is a frame job prank aimed to get everyone furious at him for doing this to them. If he has any common misspellings or pet names for people, address the packages accordingly.

Edited: 8/16/19 12:45 AM
2/25/13
Posts: 27003
Helluvah Guy - 
Breezah -
Poiupoiu -

How do you specifically know its that guy?

 

Just because he asked your assistant, doesn't prove its him. 

I know it's him, because before he spoke to her, I heard him bumbling around in there muttering to himself about wanting a coke, asking himself what kind of coke he'd just encountered, and then heard the can crack open. He then passed my office drinking it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're crazy man.

Hearing and seeing things.

Delusions all around lol


the only thing previously mentioned was him asking the assistant. that alone was not proof.

her office is so close to the room she can hear whats going on in there, was not mentioned before. her seeing him drinking it was not mentioned before.

8/16/19 12:35 AM
6/16/10
Posts: 5690
Breezah -
jake11 - 

Not for nothing but why do you feel the need to put a whole case of drinks in a shared fridge?  

Why not just confront dude and tell him not to touch your shit anymore?  


The way the office is set up, there's a large kitchen everyone uses, but there also a small kitchenette that's sole purpose is to service our conference room. 

So, only my assistant and I use it, because we're closed off from the rest of the office. 

And I've proven that even if I throw the case away, and write in crayon that it's not for public consumption by stashing it in a drawer in a bag, he still has the audacity to put his grubby phalanges on it. 

I cannot confront this guy. Office politics. The only way to combat this, is through passive aggression and humor. 

Food won't work for me, because I don't keep food in there. 

It has to be a canned drink. That's what makes it so difficult. 

 

Bullshit.

He stole. You're being a woman. Confront him like any adult should. Call him out and ask him to not take anything of yours again.

Office politics...sounds like the inmates run the asylum and you're scared.

8/16/19 12:30 PM
11/20/09
Posts: 41136
Jump Kick - 

Try this and any other anonymous idea you can think of to keep fucking with this guy.

get shitsenders.com to send shit to every single person in your office, except for him, and make sure it’s all delivered on his birthday. This is a frame job prank aimed to get everyone furious at him for doing this to them. If he has any common misspellings or pet names for people, address the packages accordingly.


I love some of the savage ideas like this one in the thread.  

 

I've been told in the past I can be petty and vengeful, but looks like there are others in this world just like me, maybe even more rough around the edges.

30 days ago
2/13/16
Posts: 4948

Just buy a bunch of those sugar free gummy bears.  If they’re yours he’ll eat them and shit for days 

30 days ago
12/29/06
Posts: 14570

Since this 'revenge' topic has run its course, has anyone seen the 'Neighbor lady feeding Vultures' story on Yahoo.

Now if ever a person needed to be dealt with, this is one of them. The rub is Vultures are protected species.

Even my calm neighbor said the neighborhood should band together and do her in Agatha Christie 'Strangers on a Train' style, lol.

I have no idea how to handle this. Can't kill or harm the birds or the crazy lady...

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A New York couple's luxurious vacation house in Florida has been taken over by dozens of black vultures that are vomiting and defecating everywhere.

The Palm Beach Post reports the Casimano family can't even visit the $702,000 home they purchased earlier this year in the Ibis Golf and Country Club.

Siobhan Casimano described the smell as "like a thousand rotting corpses." The vultures have destroyed screen enclosures and have overtaken the pool and barbecue. The few times the family has visited, they've had to park their car in the garage to avoid the birds pecking at them with their beaks.

 

29 days ago
11/23/07
Posts: 13177
Tight.Anik -
Breezah -
jake11 - 

Not for nothing but why do you feel the need to put a whole case of drinks in a shared fridge?  

Why not just confront dude and tell him not to touch your shit anymore?  


The way the office is set up, there's a large kitchen everyone uses, but there also a small kitchenette that's sole purpose is to service our conference room. 

So, only my assistant and I use it, because we're closed off from the rest of the office. 

And I've proven that even if I throw the case away, and write in crayon that it's not for public consumption by stashing it in a drawer in a bag, he still has the audacity to put his grubby phalanges on it. 

I cannot confront this guy. Office politics. The only way to combat this, is through passive aggression and humor. 

Food won't work for me, because I don't keep food in there. 

It has to be a canned drink. That's what makes it so difficult. 

 

Bullshit.

He stole. You're being a woman. Confront him like any adult should. Call him out and ask him to not take anything of yours again.

Office politics...sounds like the inmates run the asylum and you're scared.

Can’t seem to find anything humorous about handling things this way. 

29 days ago
11/23/07
Posts: 13178
WidespreadPanic -

Since this 'revenge' topic has run its course, has anyone seen the 'Neighbor lady feeding Vultures' story on Yahoo.

Now if ever a person needed to be dealt with, this is one of them. The rub is Vultures are protected species.

Even my calm neighbor said the neighborhood should band together and do her in Agatha Christie 'Strangers on a Train' style, lol.

I have no idea how to handle this. Can't kill or harm the birds or the crazy lady...

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A New York couple's luxurious vacation house in Florida has been taken over by dozens of black vultures that are vomiting and defecating everywhere.

The Palm Beach Post reports the Casimano family can't even visit the $702,000 home they purchased earlier this year in the Ibis Golf and Country Club.

Siobhan Casimano described the smell as "like a thousand rotting corpses." The vultures have destroyed screen enclosures and have overtaken the pool and barbecue. The few times the family has visited, they've had to park their car in the garage to avoid the birds pecking at them with their beaks.

 

Too bad it isn’t Trump’s house. 

29 days ago
8/18/10
Posts: 13294
Jump Kick -

You’re going about this all wrong. He’s stealing drinks from you and you both know it. Spiking or shaking your drink is shortsighted. He will know who did it and then your hand is shown and your game is blown. He can go to HR and get you fired. Spiking with hot pepper juice is retarded and is assault if he wants to be a dick about it. It is assault. Whether you can lie your way out of that fact is unlikely, but that’s your hope. Just a stupid plan all around. Shaking it is amateur hour and unlikely to work. Forget this altogether. 

Find another amazing way to fuck with this guy, unrelated to your food. Continue to allow him to steal your sodas for now since that’s a small cost for your entertainment and for not blowing your fucking cover. Don’t wet his seat or any low level prank. Think of something brilliant and execute it. Something that will play out over time, driving him more and more mad and crazy all the while maintaining your cover. That’s the goal.

 

 

I support the ghost pepper on the rim thing. 

Howwver, if you do decided to go an alternate route (which is also a good idea) I would suggest putting some kind of food somewhere in his office/cubicle and allowing it to spoil. Like if you’re able to find a place underneath a file cabinet or somewhere not obvious and putting a bunch of milk/eggs/etc.