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4/13/19 2:21 PM
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4/13/19 2:23 PM
12/26/05
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d7cedfb05ff

 

For most of the past three decades, 20-something men and women reported similar rates of sexlessness. But that has changed in recent years. Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers.

4/13/19 2:30 PM
1/25/19
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i bet its porn. you have an unlimited amount of 10s you can watch for free. i think without the availability of porn the motivation would increase to find a sex partner.

Edited: 4/13/19 2:37 PM
12/26/05
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I think there is two ways to look at this. 

First would be the problem Dr Warren Farrel pointed out as millenial mens "failure to launch".  I think it's fair to say that some of these men really aren't in a place to be suitable partners to women, and simply don't bring much to the table...and I'm not talking about beauty and wang size.  I'm talking about motivation, success and future prospects. 

I think we also need to look at the filp side of that.  I think social media is having a tremendous effect on women generally.  This was touched upon by Johnathan Haidt on Rogans podcast in reference to the increasing rate of psychological problems in young women once the internet culture really took off... but I think it's really skewing reality for women in general.  

In many ways I think women find their place in this world by determining their value cardinally amongst their peers...and I think the internet has broken that social mechanic.  I think it's turned an unnaturally large portion of the female population into uber-hypergamous status seeking whores, who increasingly throw themselves at the 20%of men on the top of the ladder in desperate attempts to land the man they feel they need to have a decent partner... typcially men who are already well put together and successful, and really don't need the assistance of a life partner in order to sort thier world out.

If you are 6ft+, socially competent, employed, financialy stable, educated, and can clean yourself up halfway decently....well this is probably a windfall for you if you're a single male.  I think more and more you will find guys who've slept with hundreds of women, along with men who've slept with a number approaching zero.  

I think this really needs to be looked at.  Everybody should be somewhat concerned about this problem.  If we start getting well above a third of young men who cant seem to find a partner in this world, we are going to eventually have a destablizing event in the western world that probably won't turn out well for anybody.

 

4/13/19 2:36 PM
12/26/05
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skad - i bet its porn. you have an unlimited amount of 10s you can watch for free. i think without the availability of porn the motivation would increase to find a sex partner.


As much as I don't want porn to become a boogieman...I think it certainly plays it's part. 

4/13/19 2:41 PM
2/2/08
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"If we start getting well above a third of young men who cant seem to find a partner in this world, we are going to eventually have a destablizing event in the western world that probably won't turn out well for anybody."

Enlighten me.

What is the worst case scenario?

 
4/13/19 2:43 PM
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I think there are actually several things that play a role in this. 

I think single motherhood / fatherlessness / the welfare state plays a role. 

I think social media / online dating culture / online pornography plays a role. 

I think economic shifts / structural problems with the neccessity of unrelated higher education as a bar for employment plays a role. 

 

 

There's probably more than this, but these are what comes off the top of my head. 

4/13/19 2:43 PM
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CD, 

Check your MMA Males

4/13/19 2:48 PM
12/26/05
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forumnewb - "If we start getting well above a third of young men who cant seem to find a partner in this world, we are going to eventually have a destablizing event in the western world that probably won't turn out well for anybody."

Enlighten me.

What is the worst case scenario?

 

To be honest, I'm not sure..but I can't imagine it would be good. I think we will essentially have a sexual gini coefficent issue.

 

  I think one really likely scenario is we fall into the strongman trap Hayek warned about in the road to serfdom....and It wouldn't be shocking that a society plagued by lack of masculine success would turn to an abusive political father figure to solve all their woes. 

 

I could be wrong.  Perhaps this problem gets worse and things just persist as normal... but I'm not sure I like that idea either.  I don't know if I want to live in a society with epic levels of shiftless worthless men living in their mothers basement, and increasing herds of angst-ridden, miserable, socially destructive whores.

 

4/13/19 2:49 PM
6/27/18
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skad - i bet its porn. you have an unlimited amount of 10s you can watch for free. i think without the availability of porn the motivation would increase to find a sex partner.

That and the internet in general. More watching, less doing. More observers, fewer participants. Social skills are at an all time low. It’s a real problem.

4/13/19 2:51 PM
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DaveFu - 

CD, 

Check your MMA Males


examined maies.  responded to males.

4/13/19 2:52 PM
9/3/18
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Well we know Orcus and his crew sabotage the polls on here. No real surprise they get counted multiple times on those polls too. 

4/13/19 2:53 PM
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WTF what a bunch of pussied  pieces of shit this generation has produced.  I fucked 75 plus women being an introvert but having just enough game. I totally blame porn.  You can visually fuck anything you want. 

4/13/19 2:54 PM
1/30/10
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Shouldn’t it be the same percentages ? If more women are having sex, then more men are having sex ....unless women are having sex with other women , which is not the point of this study ...this whole study is skewed

 

4/13/19 2:54 PM
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What's really staggering is the increase from 2008.

 

That's a pretty epic shift in a short amount of time. 

4/13/19 2:55 PM
3/9/13
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As the human race gets fatter and more disgusting, fat males suffer most. Fat females can still get laid but the fat male must drink their mountain dew and beat off in the basement alone. 

4/13/19 2:59 PM
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I was an incel before it was cool.
4/13/19 3:01 PM
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Caladan - 

As the human race gets fatter and more disgusting, fat males suffer most. Fat females can still get laid but the fat male must drink their mountain dew and beat off in the basement alone. 


I think that could play a role, but I don't think that could account for all of it. 

I think obesity rates have raised faster for women than men, and I don't think we have seen a correlating increase in obesity in men since 2008 to account for the raise in men not having sex...though we have definetly seen a raise over that time period. 

4/13/19 3:07 PM
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CavemanDave -
Caladan - 

As the human race gets fatter and more disgusting, fat males suffer most. Fat females can still get laid but the fat male must drink their mountain dew and beat off in the basement alone. 


I think that could play a role, but I don't think that could account for all of it. 

I think obesity rates have raised faster for women than men, and I don't think we have seen a correlating increase in obesity in men since 2008 to account for the raise in men not having sex...though we have definetly seen a raise over that time period. 

Twitch.

4/13/19 3:09 PM
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dios -

Shouldn’t it be the same percentages ? If more women are having sex, then more men are having sex ....unless women are having sex with other women , which is not the point of this study ...this whole study is skewed

 

I think there are other considerations. The key here is that more women are having sex with fewer men. Plenty of dudes  have little, and a few have a lot. Sometimes the dudes who are are better put together and are a good catch have more than the rest ... but it is also just as likely for dudes who can use the woman’s psychology to their advantage (irrespective of their worth as a mate).

 

4/13/19 3:12 PM
3/9/13
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dios -

Shouldn’t it be the same percentages ? If more women are having sex, then more men are having sex ....unless women are having sex with other women , which is not the point of this study ...this whole study is skewed

 

Are you serious. Fewer men are having sex with more women. The fatties are getting left behind. 

4/13/19 3:12 PM
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Caladan -

As the human race gets fatter and more disgusting, fat males suffer most. Fat females can still get laid but the fat male must drink their mountain dew and beat off in the basement alone. 

Nothing wrong with a little mountain dew.

4/13/19 3:17 PM
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salsero - 
dios -

Shouldn’t it be the same percentages ? If more women are having sex, then more men are having sex ....unless women are having sex with other women , which is not the point of this study ...this whole study is skewed

 

I think there are other considerations. The key here is that more women are having sex with fewer men. Plenty of dudes  have little, and a few have a lot. Sometimes the dudes who are are better put together and are a good catch have more than the rest ... but it is also just as likely for dudes who can use the woman’s psychology to their advantage (irrespective of their worth as a mate).

 


It's also super interesting that we have an overall drop in rates for women too (though smaller) along with increased rates of psychological crisis incidents for young women... and lets face it, there isn't a drop for women because men won't fuck em.  

That drop pretty much HAS to be self-inflicted. 

 

I think it's really easy to simply focus on the shortcommings of millenial men....REALLY easy target...but that's not it. 

There is clearly something wrong with women as well. This isn't isolated just to men.

4/13/19 3:28 PM
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dios -

Shouldn’t it be the same percentages ? If more women are having sex, then more men are having sex ....unless women are having sex with other women , which is not the point of this study ...this whole study is skewed

 

The entire point is that the most desirable men are fucking all the women.   I’ve always said 10% if the men fuck 90% of the women.  

 

The less desirable men are still getting laid, but they’re not getting to fuck half the women the most desirable men are.  

 

Then there are the non desirable men.  They’re not getting AT ALL. Even the fact chicks are getting laid by someone.  But the non desirable men don’t even get the fat chicks anymore.  

 

This graph is the rate of non desirable men to be growing.  

Edited: 4/13/19 3:28 PM
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Women can fuck pretty much who they want and when they want consequence free. 

Where women could only get resources from maybe one guy at a time say 50 years ago or risk being exposed and ruined socially. That same girl can literally get them from millions around the world without ever risking pregnancy, harming her looks, or not having 1000 new social conventions to justify her decsisons. 

Socially inept guys were never taught to adapt, even if they were capable of it. 

That genie is NEVER getting back into the bottle, barring some sort of apocalypse. 

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