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6/12/19 1:12 PM
5/10/08
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Was watching a special on Fox about Tiger's first US Open victory in 2000 (Pebble Beach) where he broke all the records in terms of margin of victory and course lows.

I remember him back then... dude was fucking unstoppable.

His life path is fascinating.  The minute his personal life blew up and his marriage blew up was the moment that his career was destroyed.

Never won another major since until this year (2019 Masters).  It was a period of 11 years between his previous major win (2008 US Open).

Just wondering where folks think his place in history stands.

I think he is either the Greatest (already) or 2nd to Jack.

What do you guys think?

Does he need to beat Jack's major record to be the GOAT or is he already there?

Said differently, what is Tiger's place in Golf History?

 

6/12/19 1:14 PM
7/1/09
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Tiger IS golf for my generation as far as I'm concerned.  

6/12/19 1:18 PM
2/27/13
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Tiger Woods somehow made the game of golf seem exciting as a spectator sport.

 

That takes some doing.

6/12/19 1:18 PM
6/22/12
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I dont know shit about golf, dont even know who "Jack" is, but everyone in the world knows Tiger

6/12/19 1:21 PM
1/1/01
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Exactly.

Who ever heard of Moe Norman?

Everyone knows Tiger.

6/12/19 1:24 PM
10/17/08
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Ive heard of Moe. Any real golfer has.

He is the second greatest golfer in history but the number 1 most dominant golfer in history.

Not only does Jack have the most major wins but his 2nd place finishes are astounding.
6/12/19 1:29 PM
4/29/09
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I think he’s basically tied with Jack and Hogan as far as GOAT.   I am a huge Tiger fan and I call him the goat but I recognize Jack and Ben are probably equal, and you could easily argue they are better.

6/12/19 1:31 PM
12/19/10
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This is a never ending argument.  Jack changed the game, then Tiger changed it more.  Injuries hurt Tigers goat status, Tiger will have no issues being the #2 of all time. 

6/12/19 1:33 PM
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Though Tiger now appears will never catch Jack - or for that matter at this point, Sam Snead's record of 82 PGA Tour wins (Woods has 79) - there is a streak Woods, or anybody else, will never come close to equaling or eclipsing: Byron Nelson's 11 consecutive PGA Tour victories.

At the height of his powers, Woods was able to put together streaks of five, six and seven. But in 1945, Nelson won 18 of the 35 tournaments he entered, finished second seven times, and won those 11 in a row, including that year's only major, the PGA Championship. Though it's been argued that the field was weakened that year because of World War II, the fact remains the likes of Snead and Ben Hogan were on tour at that time and playing a full schedule.

To put further perspective on Nelson's streak, no golfer not named Tiger Woods has won as many as four in a row since Hogan did it in 1953. With the PGA Tour increasingly crowded with top-notch players from around the world, and the fact that Woods' best days are behind him, Nelson's streak may live on comfortably for a long time to come.

6/12/19 1:40 PM
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Chomas - 

I think he’s basically tied with Jack and Hogan as far as GOAT.   I am a huge Tiger fan and I call him the goat but I recognize Jack and Ben are probably equal, and you could easily argue they are better.


You are a huge fan and therefore biased. Hogan doesn't belong in the conversation.
6/12/19 1:41 PM
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Jack Nicholson is the best

6/12/19 1:41 PM
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Chomas -

I think he’s basically tied with Jack and Hogan as far as GOAT.   I am a huge Tiger fan and I call him the goat but I recognize Jack and Ben are probably equal, and you could easily argue they are better.

This is where I am on it 

6/12/19 1:42 PM
3/19/04
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Jack is the gold standard. In order of importance:

1) MOST WINS AT MAJORS

2) Impeccably classy ambassador of the game

3) Zillions of second place finishes at majors
6/12/19 1:44 PM
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18 majors + tons of class > 15 majors and cheated on wife with everything that moved, including porn stars, and has a superior and uptight asshole demeanor
6/12/19 1:47 PM
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johnsonbarr -
Chomas - 

I think he’s basically tied with Jack and Hogan as far as GOAT.   I am a huge Tiger fan and I call him the goat but I recognize Jack and Ben are probably equal, and you could easily argue they are better.


You are a huge fan and therefore biased. Hogan doesn't belong in the conversation.

He 100% does his pelvis was basically crushed when his car was hit by a bus, and he came back  to win the US Open.  Also 69 wins 9 majors.  

6/12/19 1:51 PM
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Jack is the greatest champion (for now) but Tiger played the greatest golf

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FaceToFace -

Tiger IS golf for my generation as far as I'm concerned.  

This. I was very close with my grandfather who was a scratch golfer himself and couldn't watch enough of it. If sports were on when I was at my grandparents, 75% of the time it was either golf or boxing. I remember we started watching Tiger together when he won his final tournament at Stanford and was getting ready to turn pro. For years- at least 10 or more-  we saved every article, newspaper clipping, magazine, paraphernalia, etc... that we came across and had something to do with Tiger. The amount of stuff I have relating to Tiger Woods would blow most people's minds. Me and my grandfather never missed an opportunity to buy something even mildly relating to Tiger. Hell, I still have VHS tapes of his tournaments. Will Tiger surpass Jack for most major victories? There's no telling, but one thing is certain. When Tiger was at his peak, there was not a golfer in history that was more dominant than him. His first Masters victory will go down in sports history as one of the greatest and most dominant accomplishments ever and him winning The Masters this year brought tears to my eyes. It reminded me of all those years of quality time and bonding spent with my grandfather over something we both enjoyed watching. Tiger was an athlete that you couldn't help but root for and I think he is starting to get "it" back. The fewer tournaments and softer, less grueling schedule he's undertaking is doing wonders for his body and I think his life and mind are finally in the right place after several years of being in the opposite place. Will he go down as the greatest golfer of all time? I think so, though ultimately that's each individual's opinion. But all those years when he was at his peak there's really no denying he was more dominant than any golfer that ever played the game.

6/12/19 2:34 PM
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Woods will definitely go down as one of the greatest to play the game.

He'll be mentioned in the same breath with Nicholas, Palmer, Nelson, Hogan, and anyone else who is considered a "great".

Arguments can absolutely be made that he's the GOAT, but as in all other sports there will be people who pick someone else.

Look at baseball - Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds, DiMaggio, A-rod, etc, etc
6/12/19 2:44 PM
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Chomas -
johnsonbarr -
Chomas - 

I think he’s basically tied with Jack and Hogan as far as GOAT.   I am a huge Tiger fan and I call him the goat but I recognize Jack and Ben are probably equal, and you could easily argue they are better.


You are a huge fan and therefore biased. Hogan doesn't belong in the conversation.

He 100% does his pelvis was basically crushed when his car was hit by a bus, and he came back  to win the US Open.  Also 69 wins 9 majors.  

He's the biggest what if in golf history. He missed around 30 majors in his time when he was playing great.

 

Between WW2, the crash and the pga and open championship being played the same time there's no telling how many more majors he could've won. 

 

I think it's crazy that he played in one open championship, and won it, just to complete the career grand slam.

6/12/19 2:48 PM
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He's the best ever, both in dominant play and influcence on the game. Courses have completely changed based on stopping his dominant play. He's also brought more people to playing and watching golf than any person in history.

6/12/19 2:51 PM
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Jack was a better golfer, Tiger the better athlete and greater global icon. They both served their purpose, but Nicklaus will forever and always be the alpha of the two. Huge Tiger fan btw.
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6/12/19 2:58 PM
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Considering the competition he faced in the modern age, I don’t think there’s any real argument that he isn’t number one, but I think his personal life and late decline has made people more likely to question it. 

6/12/19 3:07 PM
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Woods probably would been at 20+ majors by now had his personal life and injuries not gotten the better of him. He was definitely on pace to do so. 

I'd say he is the greatest. His prime is unlike anything ever before seen in the sport of golf.  

6/12/19 3:21 PM
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billyball2 - Woods will definitely go down as one of the greatest to play the game.

He'll be mentioned in the same breath with Nicholas, Palmer, Nelson, Hogan, and anyone else who is considered a "great".

Arguments can absolutely be made that he's the GOAT, but as in all other sports there will be people who pick someone else.

Look at baseball - Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds, DiMaggio, A-rod, etc, etc

You don't really have much of debate in basketball or hockey:

- Basketball:  Jordan

- Hockey:  Gretzky

Baseball and NFL has a bit more debate.l