OtherGround Forums Trump Has Not Charged 1 Company 4 Hiring Illegals

7 days ago
5/10/08
Posts: 46777

While much has been made about this big raid recently, the Trump administration is getting some well deserved scrutiny.

For all his rhetoric against illegal immigrants coming into the country and all the rhetoric against sanctuary cities, the reality is that the Trump administration has not charged a single company with a crime for hiring illegals.  It has charged less than a dozen individuals for hiring illegals.

Will the President actually take action against "sanctuary businesses" and "sanctuary farms" (the owners of which tend to vote for him)?

Also, he deserves significant scrutiny for the fact he has employed (over decades) and continues to employee huge volumes of illegal immigrants at his businesses.

Isn't this the height of hypocrisy?

7 days ago
1/13/04
Posts: 12324

Not yet you meant to say?

7 days ago
5/10/08
Posts: 46780
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

7 days ago
1/13/04
Posts: 12325
lionsoul -
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

Well, he has indirectly put all companies on watch with the ICE raids so you can't say he hasn't done anything..

7 days ago
6/19/10
Posts: 4137
lionsoul -
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

Are you supportive of measures against corporations?  

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5/10/08
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Yamie Jagerbomb -
lionsoul -
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

Are you supportive of measures against corporations?  

Yes... of course. 

That would be the most effective policy.

If you place a monetary or perhaps even a criminal cost to folks who hire illegals, that would be the biggest factor in decreasing illegal immigration.

If they can't get jobs here... they won't come here.

The problem is that the far left and far right really support open borders.  The far leftists don't believe in national sovereignty and the far righties love the fact they can get cheap labor for pennies on the dollar.

Unless Trump is willing to go after sanctuary corporations and sanctuary farms, he is no better than the lefties who don't care about illegal immigration.

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1/1/01
Posts: 11113

Seeing as its heavily rumored that Trump uses illegals all the time to hook him up I highly doubt he'd go after the employers of said illegals. He doesn't like to always pay his bills either but he does like making a fortune at Mar-a-Lago charging the government room & board for all the secret service detail that follows him & his multiple offspring around.

7 days ago
6/30/07
Posts: 55668
lionsoul -
Yamie Jagerbomb -
lionsoul -
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

Are you supportive of measures against corporations?  

Yes... of course. 

That would be the most effective.

If you place a monetary or perhaps even a criminal cost to folks who hire illegals, that would be the biggest factor in decreasing illegal immigration.

If they can't get jobs here... they won't come here.

The problem is that the far left and far right really support open borders.  The far leftists don't believe in national sovereignty and the far righties love the fact they can get cheap labor for pennies on the dollar.

Unless Trump is willing to go after sanctuary corporations and sanctuary farms, he is no better than the lefties who don't care about illegal immigration.

VU

7 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 17697

Trump going after employers would hurt the economy. He won’t do it. 

7 days ago
5/10/08
Posts: 46783
multiculturaljoseph -

Trump going after employers would hurt the economy. He won’t do it. 

And by not going after the employers it hurts the economy.  All those Americans who can't get jobs with those companies or are unfairly given massively lower wages due to the massive influx of illegals are the ones who suffer.

A better description is "Trump going after employers would hurt his wealthy donors.  He won't do it."

7 days ago
6/22/13
Posts: 1132
multiculturaljoseph -

Trump going after employers would hurt the economy. He won’t do it. 

Then one of the primary root causes of illegal immigration remains unchanged. 

It is like bitching about the drug problem but only arresting addicts and leaving the dealers alone.

7 days ago
5/23/07
Posts: 17168
Great post lionsoul
7 days ago
2/22/13
Posts: 2772
lionsoul -
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

Meh.  He’s got 5 more years to work on it.  Hopefully some action does occur.  Businesses need punished for it.

7 days ago
4/1/10
Posts: 2032
lionsoul -
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

His threats of tariffs and pulling funds from Mexico has made a difference in getting them to be proactive.  He also made it so you have to claim amnesty in the first country you come to will also be a big help.  And they haven't made it easy on him.  I do understand where you're coming from tho.  

7 days ago
5/24/17
Posts: 3925

Fascinating 

7 days ago
4/1/10
Posts: 2033
lionsoul -

While much has been made about this big raid recently, the Trump administration is getting some well deserved scrutiny.

For all his rhetoric against illegal immigrants coming into the country and all the rhetoric against sanctuary cities, the reality is that the Trump administration has not charged a single company with a crime for hiring illegals.  It has charged less than a dozen individuals for hiring illegals.

Will the President actually take action against "sanctuary businesses" and "sanctuary farms" (the owners of which tend to vote for him)?

Also, he deserves significant scrutiny for the fact he has employed (over decades) and continues to employee huge volumes of illegal immigrants at his businesses.

Isn't this the height of hypocrisy?

So you don't think the Democrats would have pursued legal actions if he was currently employing illegal immigrants?  Come on now?

7 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 45016

I always said from the beginning that Trump may not be that serious about illegal immigration because of this.  His entire empire is business and knows there can be no illegal immigration workers if the companies won't hire them.  Hell, they'll go back on their own without the jobs and we won't need to build a wall.

7 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 14668
lionsoul -
Yamie Jagerbomb -
lionsoul -
Graduate1 -

Not yet you meant to say?

We shall see if he takes action or not going forward.

3/4ths of his first term is almost over...

Hasn't done jack shit in this regard.

Are you supportive of measures against corporations?  

Yes... of course. 

That would be the most effective policy.

If you place a monetary or perhaps even a criminal cost to folks who hire illegals, that would be the biggest factor in decreasing illegal immigration.

If they can't get jobs here... they won't come here.

The problem is that the far left and far right really support open borders.  The far leftists don't believe in national sovereignty and the far righties love the fact they can get cheap labor for pennies on the dollar.

Unless Trump is willing to go after sanctuary corporations and sanctuary farms, he is no better than the lefties who don't care about illegal immigration.

I voted for Trump and I want you to know that I agree with you on this matter. At least mostly. I don't agree with this line though: "If they can't get jobs here... they won't come here."

 

That is simply not true. The Democrats are trying to make it so that they can vote, drive, get free healthcare, etc.  So don't act like they have no reason to come here just because they won't have jobs.  It's intellectually dishonest because you're a smart mother fucker, and you know the truth.  

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6/13/03
Posts: 23652

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/us/illegal-immigration-employers-prosecutions.amp.html

At least 11 companies have been prosecuted in the past year. Thread title is not correct

7 days ago
4/1/10
Posts: 2034
crashingwaves -
multiculturaljoseph -

Trump going after employers would hurt the economy. He won’t do it. 

Then one of the primary root causes of illegal immigration remains unchanged. 

It is like bitching about the drug problem but only arresting addicts and leaving the dealers alone.

Well one would inherently affect the other... If you stop illegal immigration, you're kind of stopping the hiring.  So what would you do if you have the choice to not hurt the economy but can still get the end result you're trying to achieve?  It's not that hard to think through.  Also, it's a fact illegal immigrants have broken law.  Show me where he has factually let anyone slide.  Last I heard it's still being investigated and company's claiming they went through proper vetting, which would clear them of wrong doing.  I'm not for sure either way, but I'm certain you aren't either.

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5/10/08
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Sogsteel - 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/us/illegal-immigration-employers-prosecutions.amp.html

At least 11 companies have been prosecuted in the past year. Thread title is not correct

Read the first post:  "the reality is that the Trump administration has not charged a single company with a crime for hiring illegals.  It has charged less than a dozen individuals for hiring illegals."

Also, from your article:

"“Not only are few employers prosecuted, fewer who are convicted receive sentences that amount to more than token punishment,” TRAC said in a statement.

Of the 11 people convicted during the 12-month period, only three served prison time despite Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s stated mission: “ICE’s worksite enforcement strategy focuses on the criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire illegal workers.”
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4/1/10
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Sogsteel -

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/us/illegal-immigration-employers-prosecutions.amp.html

At least 11 companies have been prosecuted in the past year. Thread title is not correct

This.  These ass clowns claim shit they have no idea about.  Guys ppl will find out how stupid you are soon enough, no need to open your mouth and rush it.

7 days ago
6/13/03
Posts: 23653
lionsoul -
Sogsteel - 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/us/illegal-immigration-employers-prosecutions.amp.html

At least 11 companies have been prosecuted in the past year. Thread title is not correct


Read the first post:  "the reality is that the Trump administration has not charged a single company with a crime for hiring illegals.  It has charged less than a dozen individuals for hiring illegals."

 

I dont think its possible to charge a company itself with criminal charges, only those within the companies that commit them. But Im willing to see examples to the contrary

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5/10/08
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Sogsteel - 
lionsoul -
Sogsteel - 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/us/illegal-immigration-employers-prosecutions.amp.html

At least 11 companies have been prosecuted in the past year. Thread title is not correct

Read the first post:  "the reality is that the Trump administration has not charged a single company with a crime for hiring illegals.  It has charged less than a dozen individuals for hiring illegals."

I dont think its possible to charge a company itself with criminal charges, only those within the companies that commit them. But Im willing to see examples to the contrary

Not true... you can charge companies with a crime... but to have individuals go to jail, you have to charge offending individuals criminally separately....

 

7 days ago
4/1/10
Posts: 2036

I do agree it's bad form for conservatives to hold a line until it comes their profitability.  But, if that is a common practice among their competitors, should they go out of business or do what they have to do to survive?  Or we the consumers take it on the head because they have to pass the cost bc of the increase in labor costs due to lack of cheap labor.  I'm not sure what the right answer.  It's pretty complicated is my only point