OtherGround Forums Trumps sacks bolton

10 days ago
4/19/09
Posts: 32702
lionsoul -

Kudos to Trump for getting rid of a crazy war hawk...

I can see him getting pissed in every meeting in the event Trump ignores him about attacking Iran.

Now we need to get rid of Pompeo (which I heard could be happening - as he may run for Senate)...

Edited to add:

I hope this isn't a preemptive move before he attacks Iran (as he doesn't want folks to say Bolton is the guy driving this).

The one thing Trump hates more than anything else is someone else getting credit for any of his initiatives (see Steve Bannon)..

That said... I am all for getting rid of war hawks...  Got to give the man credit for a good decision here.

Boris nad trummp must have given Bibi the go ahead for annexing p[art of JOrdan. This is a scapegoat ahead of time type of deal. 

10 days ago
10/1/16
Posts: 2355
Great move by Trump but he never should have hired that scumbag in the first place. Now get rid of Pompeo.

These neocons are conspiring to turn Trump into GWB2. Glad he's resisting.
10 days ago
3/13/18
Posts: 4387

A move everyone can agree on

10 days ago
12/26/05
Posts: 43117

Hire Ron Paul.

 

Let's really get everybody freaked the fuck out.

10 days ago
1/9/02
Posts: 49644

the taliban are not really a group with international reach (outside of Pakistan). these are just homegrown religious zealouts. if they harbor international terrorists in their land again they will get fucked up again until we kill the ppl responsible.

 

let them run aghanistan how they want. we need to get out.

10 days ago
12/28/14
Posts: 6003
anthonyMI -

Does this mean he will be put into an actual sack and tossed into the Potomac?

No, trump isn't a Clinton

10 days ago
11/28/08
Posts: 21437
Steve4192 -
scab1 - 
Steve4192 - 
BJJER - 

Why would Trump hire this guy in the first place?! Trumps incompetent administrative decision making showing once more.


Trump's an outsider. He doesn't know anybody in the Washington foreign policy establishment, so he relies on his advisors to make staffing recommendations. He obviously trusted the wrong fucking guy when Bolton's name came up. Fire that guy too.

Yeah, John Bolton was a real unknown commodity. He definitely needed an advisor for this hire.

I think willim nailed it ... Trump liked Bolton because of his rhetoric and because he scared the shit out of people. He figured he could let him run his mouth in public but control him behind the scenes. Unfortunately, Bolton is a veteran bureaucratic knife fighter, and he knows a 1000 different ways to work around an uncooperative boss. He pushed his own war-mongering agenda regardless of what Trump wanted.

I don't think Trump's ego allows him to acknowledge that a lot of these career bureaucrats are better than him at 'playing the game'. He keeps on hiring guys who he thinks he can control, and then has to fire them when he realizes that he can't.

I think that second paragraph doesn’t go quite far enough. There are a lot of people in Washington who are using Trump’s poor skills as an executive to do what they want, for better or for worse. Bolton was something more than that. He turned the NSC into his own fiefdom.

The main role of the national security advisor is to streamline all the information coming in from all of the defense and intelligence agencies and present them to the president with their own recommendations, then facilitate the president meeting more directly with whoever needs to be met with. For someone like Trump who needs his information as condensed as possible, this is an incredibly important position. So, he used that position to try and become the sole person in charge of anything to do with defense policy, even sidelining the post-Mattis Defense Department.

Booton wasn’t just someone Trump couldn’t control, he was a power structure to himself. And the number one rule with the Trump administration is that he doesn’t like people who can challenge him.

That is generally a bad thing, but we are talking about John Bolton.

9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5744

Does 

9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5745

 

9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5746

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

9 days ago
5/22/05
Posts: 23499
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5747
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5748
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Just curious ... who is a high quality candidate in your eyes? 

Can you give 2 examples of who you think would do a good job 

9 days ago
9/10/07
Posts: 22761
androb -
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

this is the kind of brilliant 4D chess that only the true faithful like you can appreciate for next level strategy that it is:

 

- publicly, repeatedly praise a murderous dictator

-  hire a guy who disagrees strongly with you on this issue

- make it clear that your POV is what matters

- don't make any deal whatsoever

- fire the guy who disagrees with you

 

i can only imagine how tired you are of all of this winning.

9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5751
dabigchet -
androb -
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

this is the kind of brilliant 4D chess that only the true faithful like you can appreciate for next level strategy that it is:

 

- publicly, repeatedly praise a murderous dictator

-  hire a guy who disagrees strongly with you on this issue

- make it clear that your POV is what matters

- don't make any deal whatsoever

- fire the guy who disagrees with you

 

i can only imagine how tired you are of all of this winning.

I said this when Bolton was hired 

I may be wrong... but that’s what it looked like to me 

at the time trump needed someone to put the threat of fear into kim 

did it work... not sure but it got him to the table for a summit. 

Hopefuliy the firing gets Kim back to the table. 

I don’t care who the president is... or how they negotiate. 

I just want economic prosperity and peace 

sounds like some on here want the opposite just so you can declare trump a failure. 

Think about that 

9 days ago
12/10/18
Posts: 864
androb -
dabigchet -
androb -
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

this is the kind of brilliant 4D chess that only the true faithful like you can appreciate for next level strategy that it is:

 

- publicly, repeatedly praise a murderous dictator

-  hire a guy who disagrees strongly with you on this issue

- make it clear that your POV is what matters

- don't make any deal whatsoever

- fire the guy who disagrees with you

 

i can only imagine how tired you are of all of this winning.

I said this when Bolton was hired 

I may be wrong... but that’s what it looked like to me 

at the time trump needed someone to put the threat of fear into kim 

did it work... not sure but it got him to the table for a summit. 

Hopefuliy the firing gets Kim back to the table. 

I don’t care who the president is... or how they negotiate. 

I just want economic prosperity and peace 

sounds like some on here want the opposite just so you can declare trump a failure. 

Think about that 

Pretty sure most folks on here thought it was a failure when Trump hired Bolton in the first place. 

9 days ago
11/1/03
Posts: 19849
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

You have no idea why Trump hired Bolton. Its ok to speculate like others are doing but for you claim you know why you have to be able to prove it. You have any proof? Of course not.

9 days ago
9/12/05
Posts: 8309
CavemanDave - 

Hire Ron Paul.

 

Let's really get everybody freaked the fuck out.


That’s actually kind of an interesting idea. I would like to hear the two of them talk about the fed.
9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5753
dabigchet -
androb -
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

this is the kind of brilliant 4D chess that only the true faithful like you can appreciate for next level strategy that it is:

 

- publicly, repeatedly praise a murderous dictator

-  hire a guy who disagrees strongly with you on this issue

- make it clear that your POV is what matters

- don't make any deal whatsoever

- fire the guy who disagrees with you

 

i can only imagine how tired you are of all of this winning.

Bro. 

I won early on with the trump presidency 

stock market boom

sales were rising 

profits up 

commissions up. 

The only hiccup is now a trade deal with China. 

To me it’s the only thing dragging down his 1st term. 

If he gets re-elected (he will) and signs a trade deal he will go down as one of the greatest POTUS in USA history

will have re-set 

trade 

militarty

economy 

taxes 

nato 

illegal immigration (asylum)

and liberal agenda. 

If he wins the Libs will have to realize far left socialism is NOT what the American public are looking for 

9 days ago
5/10/08
Posts: 47665
androb - 
dabigchet -
androb -
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

this is the kind of brilliant 4D chess that only the true faithful like you can appreciate for next level strategy that it is:

 

- publicly, repeatedly praise a murderous dictator

-  hire a guy who disagrees strongly with you on this issue

- make it clear that your POV is what matters

- don't make any deal whatsoever

- fire the guy who disagrees with you

 

i can only imagine how tired you are of all of this winning.

Bro. 

I won early on with the trump presidency 

stock market boom

sales were rising 

profits up 

commissions up. 

The only hiccup is now a trade deal with China. 

To me it’s the only thing dragging down his 1st term. 

If he gets re-elected (he will) and signs a trade deal he will go down as one of the greatest POTUS in USA history

will have re-set 

trade 

militarty

economy 

taxes 

nato 

illegal immigration (asylum)

and liberal agenda. 

If he wins the Libs will have to realize far left socialism is NOT what the American public are looking for 


Hahaha... your hardon for a foreign President is ridiculous...

This is my favorite part:

"If he gets re-elected (he will) and signs a trade deal he will go down as one of the greatest POTUS in USA history"

9 days ago
2/9/12
Posts: 5777

Thought this thread was about Trump tea bagging some named Bolton

9 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 4561
androb -
dabigchet -
androb -
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

this is the kind of brilliant 4D chess that only the true faithful like you can appreciate for next level strategy that it is:

 

- publicly, repeatedly praise a murderous dictator

-  hire a guy who disagrees strongly with you on this issue

- make it clear that your POV is what matters

- don't make any deal whatsoever

- fire the guy who disagrees with you

 

i can only imagine how tired you are of all of this winning.

I said this when Bolton was hired 

I may be wrong... but that’s what it looked like to me 

at the time trump needed someone to put the threat of fear into kim 

did it work... not sure but it got him to the table for a summit. 

Hopefuliy the firing gets Kim back to the table. 

I don’t care who the president is... or how they negotiate. 

I just want economic prosperity and peace 

sounds like some on here want the opposite just so you can declare trump a failure. 

Think about that 

There was no need for Bolton to get NK to a summit. It's previous US presidents that have refused it, NK have always strived for that prestige. The summit was the carrot. 

9 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 5755
lionsoul -
androb - 
dabigchet -
androb -
banco -
androb -

Does anyone think the Bolton hire was to intimidate / put pressure on NK?

It wasn’t long after Bolton was hired that the 1st NK summit was held. 

Was Bolton the “bad cop” so trump could play “good cop”

that was my 1st thought when he was hired 

Lol at the trumptards trying to justify bolton being hired. He was hired because trump saw him talking shit on tv and high quality candidates weren't exactly beating down the door to be nsa.

Lol what? 

I thought he was hired to play a roll with NK. 

exactly..because he was talking tough. 

That roll has played its part and is now a detriment... I think people on this board left and right will agree it was time for Bolton to go. 

 

this is the kind of brilliant 4D chess that only the true faithful like you can appreciate for next level strategy that it is:

 

- publicly, repeatedly praise a murderous dictator

-  hire a guy who disagrees strongly with you on this issue

- make it clear that your POV is what matters

- don't make any deal whatsoever

- fire the guy who disagrees with you

 

i can only imagine how tired you are of all of this winning.

Bro. 

I won early on with the trump presidency 

stock market boom

sales were rising 

profits up 

commissions up. 

The only hiccup is now a trade deal with China. 

To me it’s the only thing dragging down his 1st term. 

If he gets re-elected (he will) and signs a trade deal he will go down as one of the greatest POTUS in USA history

will have re-set 

trade 

militarty

economy 

taxes 

nato 

illegal immigration (asylum)

and liberal agenda. 

If he wins the Libs will have to realize far left socialism is NOT what the American public are looking for 


Hahaha... your hardon for a foreign President is ridiculous...

This is my favorite part:

"If he gets re-elected (he will) and signs a trade deal he will go down as one of the greatest POTUS in USA history"

Again - I have a very vested interest in American politics. 

Why are you Posting on Israel hezbollah threads or Israel iran threads 

because you have an opinion. Most likely wrong, as you haven’t been right about much in the last 2 years

but you have been entertaining... lol o loved watching you post during the mueller investigation and looking like a complete idiot... didn’t think you could top your embarrassment but it looks like you just might 

what are you going to do when trump wins a 2nd term? Whats the play from your side to try and get him out of office? 

I’m going to enjoy watching you meet down for 4 more years 

 

Edited: 9 days ago
7/26/07
Posts: 87054

Bolton has been trying to start a war since the day he got hired

And him and his stupid fucking dead squirrel mustache wasnt going to be the one to actually fight it 

9 days ago
6/19/10
Posts: 14550

Definitely glad he's gone. Trump just can't keep a team together. Who's next?