OtherGround Forums Why has support for socialism grown in US?

2/21/20 10:05 AM
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ThinkMMA -
cheech -


All of these memes you’re posting are wrong. Post references for these numbers or shut the fuck up. You’re part of the problem. 

Maybe you should post a rebuttal with actually numbers to back up your claim to prove that the .1% isn't the real problem being a part of  the "Too Big to Fail" movement. I doubt a big mouth like you will. Keep swinging from Trump's sack.

2/21/20 10:48 AM
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kkmmnn -
cheech -


Just a half second Google search showed me this is bullshit on all accounts. Minimum wage is up over 400% on average

Is that just absolute numbers? Do you think it's wise to compare $5 today to $5 in 1978?

2/21/20 10:58 AM
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Evil rich people are a million percent richer and poor people are 762% more poor-er 82% of the time.

- cheech

2/21/20 11:00 AM
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cheech maybe you should read about what happened in Venezuela?

2/21/20 11:09 AM
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FingerorMoon - Because the whole 'free market capitalism is awesome and trickle down economics benefits everyone!' only works if you A) contain everything inside the country B) use people power instead of automation.
Robots and outsourcing everything to other countries means the rich keep benefiting but the rest of the population become welfare recipients.
No one has any real answer to it. Obama used to just yell 'American exceptionalism' which I think meant 'some smart guy will invent our way out of the problem' and Trump's idea is to get rid of regulations.

There was an answer in 2008..........

 

 

 

 

 

His name was Ron Paul.

2/21/20 11:13 AM
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Two primary factors

 

Bad education

Even worse parenting

2/21/20 11:15 AM
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Fuckin idiots need to look up and study real socialism. Then go look at what Bernie and his buds call socialism. It's not even close, to the same.

If that's socialism then we lived in a socialist society through the 50s 60s and 70s.

2/21/20 11:30 AM
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Cheech is "special needs"
2/21/20 11:33 AM
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2/21/20 11:56 AM
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nek -

Was reading Zned's thread about what Bloomberg said about the talking points during the last democratic debate ensuring that Trump will will re-election and it got me thinking about this question.  What would you say are the causes of it?

The origins of socialism in this country can be traced back to the Great Depression, and has been a part of this Democracy since then. What dosen't help is the constant "education" put out by Fox on a daily basis. 

2/21/20 12:03 PM
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greasegun -

Fuckin idiots need to look up and study real socialism. Then go look at what Bernie and his buds call socialism. It's not even close, to the same.

If that's socialism then we lived in a socialist society through the 50s 60s and 70s.

We're too busy having an opinion to be educated on anything.

2/21/20 12:08 PM
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cheech -
ThinkMMA -
cheech -


All of these memes you’re posting are wrong. Post references for these numbers or shut the fuck up. You’re part of the problem. 

Maybe you should post a rebuttal with actually numbers to back up your claim to prove that the .1% isn't the real problem being a part of  the "Too Big to Fail" movement. I doubt a big mouth like you will. Keep swinging from Trump's sack.

Anyone can make up bullshit facts , research your own facts but you won’t do that 

2/21/20 12:09 PM
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cheech -


You don't help when you post lies.

6.7.0
2/21/20 12:10 PM
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SeattlesbigDprolapsedME -
amadeus - 

Part of is people simply expect more. In 1980 almost no one had a VCR and certainly few had multiple tv’s. As the years progressed people have only become more materialistic. Multiple large screen tv’s, multiple gaming systems, multiple iPhones, the most expensive cars they can afford, etc... While capitalism and competition has made these products and services cheaper in many regards there are more of them to spend on. And when you see that people now consider phones and internet a human right is it really so shocking that they want more for free.


This.

When someone bought a new car in the neighborhood, everyone pretty much knew about it. It was a big deal.
We rarely went out to eat, and ordering pizza was kind of exciting.
If I drop my son off at school in the morning, kids are wearing really nice clothing, compared to when I was their age. It wasnt uncommon for most boys to have their knees blown out of their jeans. We wore those same jeans to baseball practice. Now, they have multiple practice uniforms.
The amount of money I spend on sports for my kid alone would have put my parents in debt.

This is exactly it. I coach a U14 basketball team. I asked what the parents wanted to do for fundraising. Selling chocolate bars, raffles where the kids stand outside a store selling tickets etc. I told them that I wanted my kid to help pay for extras (tournaments etc), so that he appreciated it more. 
Feeddback was - just tell me an amount and I’ll write a check to cover it all. So all the parents gave us $200 to use as a season budget. A few kids (mine included) had to sell chocolate bars but most parents didn’t see it as an opportunity to teach their kids that shit costs money, and the money has to come from somewhere. 

Kids grow up now and want 6 figures for their first job, a nice car, new phone, nice house / apartment etc. Then they find out that all of that costs money and want the government to pay for it. 

2/21/20 12:13 PM
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cheech -


That's an over simplification of it, the increases didn't just magically happen on their own. It'd be more accurate to say:

The government got involved in college tuitions and tuition rose 1,120%

The government got involved in medical care, and the cost of medical care increased 601%

The government got involved in housing, and housing costs rose 380%

Etc 

2/21/20 12:16 PM
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sicko - 
cheech -


That's an over simplification of it, the increases didn't just magically happen on their own. It'd be more accurate to say:

The government got involved in college tuitions and tuition rose 1,120%

The government got involved in medical care, and the cost of medical care increased 601%

The government got involved in housing, and housing costs rose 380%

Etc 


This man knows

2/21/20 12:17 PM
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SAPPER13 - 
Altofsky -
Heystro - 

Dumbed down population and lazy people wanting more "free stuff". Not realizing tax payers (home, businesses, and property owners) foot the bill.


I absolutely LOVE the fact that I as a property owner pay for the local schools, but the guy renting the house down the way pays nothing.

Fucking absurd.

Doesn't the person who owns the house pay towards the school?


Yeah. That's my point.

It's unbalanced and absolute bullhit.

2/21/20 12:21 PM
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amadeus -

Part of is people simply expect more. In 1980 almost no one had a VCR and certainly few had multiple tv’s. As the years progressed people have only become more materialistic. Multiple large screen tv’s, multiple gaming systems, multiple iPhones, the most expensive cars they can afford, etc... While capitalism and competition has made these products and services cheaper in many regards there are more of them to spend on. And when you see that people now consider phones and internet a human right is it really so shocking that they want more for free.

so true, and then you have people telling us with all that great shit that our quality of life has decreased compared to our parents, that's a fat load of bullshit!  My life is WAY better than my parents and I know because they raised me.  We had a single CRT television, fought over the one landline, shared bedrooms... fuck my parents couldnt afford to buy a house until they were in their thirties and when they were in their twenties the interest rates for a mortgage were 18 percent.

 

2/21/20 12:21 PM
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And don't for a second think yearly rent comes anywhere close to covering the school taxes for the homeowner. It does not.

2/21/20 12:34 PM
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Altofsky -

And don't for a second think yearly rent comes anywhere close to covering the school taxes for the homeowner. It does not.

That's okay, Bernie wants national rent control. Because the federal government in Washington, knows what rent should be in your town better then the market does 

2/21/20 12:37 PM
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cheech -
ThinkMMA -
cheech -


All of these memes you’re posting are wrong. Post references for these numbers or shut the fuck up. You’re part of the problem. 

Maybe you should post a rebuttal with actually numbers to back up your claim to prove that the .1% isn't the real problem being a part of  the "Too Big to Fail" movement. I doubt a big mouth like you will. Keep swinging from Trump's sack.

I did and you ignored it. 

2/21/20 12:49 PM
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Ooohh I got three panties in a bunch with my first post.

I'll say it again.

If you support socialism, you are either a woman or a dickless man.

Only the weak want others to provide for them.

2/21/20 12:51 PM
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2/21/20 1:02 PM
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8flat -

cheech maybe you should read about what happened in Venezuela?

Lol yeah cause its a contemporary 1st world social democracy. Jesus fuck.

2/21/20 1:04 PM
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cheech -


Thanks Obama