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12 days ago
10/3/12
Posts: 1514

I have a black MacBook I bought in 09 that I upgraded the ram and hard drive in myself. Those were the days. 

Edited: 12 days ago
10/22/14
Posts: 5473
snoggla -

MacBook is way too overpriced for casual user. U basically pay for flawless integration of ecosystems/software into ur system. This makes a lot of sense for IT professionals, which don't have the time fix issues here and there - it just needs to work in a stable fashion.

 

If u have the money...why not. Of course you can sth cheaper with similar hardware.

Yessss absolutely IT Professionals want to work on an OS that doesn't support half the software they need to do their job. Makes so much sense, thanks for your wisdom. 

If you knew any IT Professionals who have a mac you'll know that they are all running a windows OS because they can't run half the shit they need on macOS. Kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose but they're mostly software developers or graphic designers who are just trendy nerds, they know less than you think they do.

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 18183

Apple is hit or miss for me. Had a few pieces of shit, had a few tanks. Toss up. 

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 15401
hjr2 - 

How do companies get away with this shit and still manage to keep raking in money? It’s so dishonest and insulting. 


Because Apple consumers are dumb AF. They care only about the name on the machine, not what's inside.
12 days ago
10/30/19
Posts: 472
hjr2 - 

128 GB hard drive 

13” screen

8 gigs of ram. 

2 USB ports I’ve never seen before that need a $25 adapter for USB that everyone else uses 

$1500 for the computer 

Fuck this company. They get more and more expensive and give you less and less while changing every port to something proprietary that won’t function without some other proprietary adapter. No way to update or upgrade any internal parts. This is what happens when business degrees take over. Zero creativity while nickle and diming the consumer. I hope they go under and take every board member down with them. 

 


I bought a refurb with the same specs accept 4 gigs of ram & just usb 2.0 for around $400 over 5 years ago. It will output 1080p to a second monitor with their bullshit $7 hdmi adapter. It was the cheapest way to get a laptop with a SSD at that point in time.

Never buy their new shit. Also, that's not much computer for $1500 by any standard.
12 days ago
11/18/15
Posts: 5203

I would have probably been into macs if it wasn't for fucking itunes.  I hate itunes.  Itunes is the reason I will never own an apple product.


I have been rocking an x250 lenovo thinkpad for a few years now with no issues.  

12 days ago
12/18/03
Posts: 25591
Jayn200 - 
snoggla -

MacBook is way too overpriced for casual user. U basically pay for flawless integration of ecosystems/software into ur system. This makes a lot of sense for IT professionals, which don't have the time fix issues here and there - it just needs to work in a stable fashion.

 

If u have the money...why not. Of course you can sth cheaper with similar hardware.

Yessss absolutely IT Professionals want to work on an OS that doesn't support half the software they need to do their job. Makes so much sense, thanks for your wisdom. 

If you knew any IT Professionals who have a mac you'll know that they are all running a windows OS because they can't run half the shit they need on macOS. Kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose but they're mostly software developers or graphic designers who are just trendy nerds, they know less than you think they do.


I don't like Apple and would rather spend the same money on something 2x as powerful, but there's tons of IT professionals who don't run Windows.

Linus Torvalds, surprisingly, says he loves his Mackbook (because it's light and silent), but he probably gets them for free so...

 

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 115191

That looks like worse specs than my 6 year old laptop.

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 5505
Powdered Toast Man -

Apple products are worth every damn nickel.  

I’m no fanboy but you get what you pay for. 

My MacBook Air is several years old and has not had a single problem.

My iPhone 8 runs flawlessly.

Wireless charging AirPods...amazing.

Don’t worry, I’ll vote myself down.

Ive owned generic laptops that lasted for years, shit, people bring me laptops that are are over 30 years old. So, that notion that apple products last a long time is a fallacy. The other beef I have with apple products is once my daughter wanted to get that ipod shit everybody started buying when they came out. It last about a month before it started malfunctioning and falling aprt. So, we wennt back to bestbuy for an exchange, took a peek behind the counter and I saw 2-3 boxes full of returned ipod shit. 

So, I got my daughter and showed her the boxes and told her that was she sure she wanted to get the same thing again or exchange it. She decided to get, can't remember what it was, another well known brand, a Japanese brand. It worked flawlessly for a couple years or so. Glad she didn't buy into the apple cult.

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 5506
MarsMan -
Jayn200 - 
snoggla -

MacBook is way too overpriced for casual user. U basically pay for flawless integration of ecosystems/software into ur system. This makes a lot of sense for IT professionals, which don't have the time fix issues here and there - it just needs to work in a stable fashion.

 

If u have the money...why not. Of course you can sth cheaper with similar hardware.

Yessss absolutely IT Professionals want to work on an OS that doesn't support half the software they need to do their job. Makes so much sense, thanks for your wisdom. 

If you knew any IT Professionals who have a mac you'll know that they are all running a windows OS because they can't run half the shit they need on macOS. Kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose but they're mostly software developers or graphic designers who are just trendy nerds, they know less than you think they do.


I don't like Apple and would rather spend the same money on something 2x as powerful, but there's tons of IT professionals who don't run Windows.

Linus Torvalds, surprisingly, says he loves his Mackbook (because it's light and silent), but he probably gets them for free so...

 

All laptops can be silent if you replace the fans with ball bearings. A few dollars and your set.

12 days ago
3/6/06
Posts: 30351
Jayn200 -
Pura Vida -
Jayn200 -
Eskimo -

Bought my wife a used MacBook Air about 7 years ago. It still works perfectly. I’ve never had a windows product that wasn’t a total piece of shit within 2 years. 

Have you ever spent $1500+ on a windows product?

People tend to compare $300 low spec windows laptops to $1500 or $2000 apple apples and it's just dishonest. 

If you buy a $1500 Windows laptop it will be going strong for years.

i think you lost the plot.

Which part?

People compare spec for spec and not price for price when comparing windows to apple when they make comments about how long they are still going strong, when you compare price for price the windows laptops will outperform from the day you bought them and even 5 year later theyll still be outperforming the macbook.

The part where the comparison was made by people who were saying they could by a laptop with the same specs for $300.

12 days ago
7/22/06
Posts: 4311
I used a 2013 Macbook Air as my main computer and the battery died this year. I bought a refurbished Desktop for about the same price as Apple would charge to put in a new battery.
11 days ago
7/12/13
Posts: 9421

Also, I’m a Patriots fan.

11 days ago
6/30/12
Posts: 390
Dead President -

I think your wife is the problem. No one made her buy it.

This

11 days ago
10/27/03
Posts: 24986

My 2012 MacBook Air is still going strong. I upgraded to a 2019 Air just because I wanted the better screen. The keyboards have known issues on the 15-19 range though.

 

These are just IT products. If you like and can easily afford the integration Apple provides across multiple products. Then do it.

If you can’t afford it, don’t care about that, or have software that isn’t available on Mac, stick with whatever combination of Windows and Android products suits you best.

 

The rest of the argument is IT nerd and brand loyalty/aversion bullshit that is below us as the fine gentleman of the Otherground we are.

11 days ago
9/8/02
Posts: 24112
DaveFu - 
scrapdo - 
DaveFu -

Macs use identical hardware as PCs. You're paying for the OS. Most people are apparently too stupid to keep junk off their PCs. 

No they don't. They are paying for the fact that the hardware all works together flawlessly and you don't ever end up looking through your device manager searching for the "?" and uninstalling/reinstalling drivers just to get working. Maybe for some people spending time on BS like installing drivers and working through hardware issues isn't worth $, but for some of us it makes a big difference when I can go anywhere, plug in something like a printer at a random office or home and the thing just works, no drivers necessary.

 

You apprently don't know what hardware is. Drivers are software/firmware. 

 


Honestly, I previously only used macs, around 2002-2012. However, what you are describing is like a 2002 issue for windows, nobody fucks with drivers or device manager anymore, its rock solid. I plug in a device and its instantly recognized and installed. 

11 days ago
12/10/09
Posts: 17324
Trust -

I used to be the biggest Mac fanboy.  From the orignal Macintosh in 1985 up through the mid 2000s.  My last Mac was a Macbook Pro Aluminum - with an external battery.  

Early in my engineering career I worked for a group that made battery packs and chargers for a variety of devices.  I know a lot about rechargable batteries, and I wrote the firmware for battery chargers in addition to designing circuitry in chargers.  

Batteries go bad over time. There is no known battery technology that avoids aging where a battery retains its original capacity and original self-impedance.  Over time capacity decreases and impedance increases.  It's the result of the migration of ions back and forth through the separator between the electrodes.  There are some very expensive battery technologies that last a long time, like those used in satellites, or the Voyager spacecraft.  But they all degrade over time.  

When Apple stopped using external battery packs and put only embedded the batteries in their laptops, that was a deal breaker for me.  I knew batteries would go bad, and it seemed like a crass move for planned obsolesence to me.

When it was found out that iPhones were intentionally throttling data to deal with old batteries, that made perfect sense to me.  Higher data rates require more transmit current, and given that battery impedance increases over time, more current causes more voltage drop out of the battery, which can cause the phone to crash.  I don't think they wanted to throttle data, but they had to reduce current draw in older phones because user's could not simply buy a new battery.  

I have a Samsung phone; I recently replaced the battery because I noticed it wasn't lasting as long on a full charge.  The new battery cost me $13. It works every bit as good as the original battery did when it was new.  

I switched over to Windows about the time Windows 7 came out, and have not looked back.  Two of my laptops  (I mean my family) have had their original (external) batteries go bad.  I bought new ones.  They weren't as cheap as my cell phone replacement battery, but it wasn't a ridiculous cost.  

I will never buy a phone or laptop with an embedded battery.  

Good post, but plenty of windows laptops also have internal batteries, like my latitude I referenced earlier. 

11 days ago
12/10/09
Posts: 17325
Cuckoldberry Finn -

I would have probably been into macs if it wasn't for fucking itunes.  I hate itunes.  Itunes is the reason I will never own an apple product.


I have been rocking an x250 lenovo thinkpad for a few years now with no issues.  

Good news, it’s been killed-off. 

11 days ago
12/10/09
Posts: 17326
MarsMan -
Jayn200 - 
snoggla -

MacBook is way too overpriced for casual user. U basically pay for flawless integration of ecosystems/software into ur system. This makes a lot of sense for IT professionals, which don't have the time fix issues here and there - it just needs to work in a stable fashion.

 

If u have the money...why not. Of course you can sth cheaper with similar hardware.

Yessss absolutely IT Professionals want to work on an OS that doesn't support half the software they need to do their job. Makes so much sense, thanks for your wisdom. 

If you knew any IT Professionals who have a mac you'll know that they are all running a windows OS because they can't run half the shit they need on macOS. Kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose but they're mostly software developers or graphic designers who are just trendy nerds, they know less than you think they do.


I don't like Apple and would rather spend the same money on something 2x as powerful, but there's tons of IT professionals who don't run Windows.

Linus Torvalds, surprisingly, says he loves his Mackbook (because it's light and silent), but he probably gets them for free so...

 

Also, they can partition the drive and run both OS for versatility. Not to mention you get every new OS for life free. Why doesn’t windows do that?

11 days ago
12/10/09
Posts: 17327
ReneH -
Powdered Toast Man -

Apple products are worth every damn nickel.  

I’m no fanboy but you get what you pay for. 

My MacBook Air is several years old and has not had a single problem.

My iPhone 8 runs flawlessly.

Wireless charging AirPods...amazing.

Don’t worry, I’ll vote myself down.

Ive owned generic laptops that lasted for years, shit, people bring me laptops that are are over 30 years old. So, that notion that apple products last a long time is a fallacy. The other beef I have with apple products is once my daughter wanted to get that ipod shit everybody started buying when they came out. It last about a month before it started malfunctioning and falling aprt. So, we wennt back to bestbuy for an exchange, took a peek behind the counter and I saw 2-3 boxes full of returned ipod shit. 

So, I got my daughter and showed her the boxes and told her that was she sure she wanted to get the same thing again or exchange it. She decided to get, can't remember what it was, another well known brand, a Japanese brand. It worked flawlessly for a couple years or so. Glad she didn't buy into the apple cult.

Lol. Yea, that iPod shit was a complete failure. Thank god you heeded your completely anecdotal experience and didn’t let her hop on that fad! 

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 94191
scrapdo - 
MarsMan -
Jayn200 - 
snoggla -

MacBook is way too overpriced for casual user. U basically pay for flawless integration of ecosystems/software into ur system. This makes a lot of sense for IT professionals, which don't have the time fix issues here and there - it just needs to work in a stable fashion.

 

If u have the money...why not. Of course you can sth cheaper with similar hardware.

Yessss absolutely IT Professionals want to work on an OS that doesn't support half the software they need to do their job. Makes so much sense, thanks for your wisdom. 

If you knew any IT Professionals who have a mac you'll know that they are all running a windows OS because they can't run half the shit they need on macOS. Kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose but they're mostly software developers or graphic designers who are just trendy nerds, they know less than you think they do.


I don't like Apple and would rather spend the same money on something 2x as powerful, but there's tons of IT professionals who don't run Windows.

Linus Torvalds, surprisingly, says he loves his Mackbook (because it's light and silent), but he probably gets them for free so...

 

Also, they can partition the drive and run both OS for versatility. Not to mention you get every new OS for life free. Why doesn’t windows do that?


It only costs you 100% markup on your new machine since you're strongly discouraged from upgrading your old one. 

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 97357
scrapdo - 
Trust -

I used to be the biggest Mac fanboy.  From the orignal Macintosh in 1985 up through the mid 2000s.  My last Mac was a Macbook Pro Aluminum - with an external battery.  

Early in my engineering career I worked for a group that made battery packs and chargers for a variety of devices.  I know a lot about rechargable batteries, and I wrote the firmware for battery chargers in addition to designing circuitry in chargers.  

Batteries go bad over time. There is no known battery technology that avoids aging where a battery retains its original capacity and original self-impedance.  Over time capacity decreases and impedance increases.  It's the result of the migration of ions back and forth through the separator between the electrodes.  There are some very expensive battery technologies that last a long time, like those used in satellites, or the Voyager spacecraft.  But they all degrade over time.  

When Apple stopped using external battery packs and put only embedded the batteries in their laptops, that was a deal breaker for me.  I knew batteries would go bad, and it seemed like a crass move for planned obsolesence to me.

When it was found out that iPhones were intentionally throttling data to deal with old batteries, that made perfect sense to me.  Higher data rates require more transmit current, and given that battery impedance increases over time, more current causes more voltage drop out of the battery, which can cause the phone to crash.  I don't think they wanted to throttle data, but they had to reduce current draw in older phones because user's could not simply buy a new battery.  

I have a Samsung phone; I recently replaced the battery because I noticed it wasn't lasting as long on a full charge.  The new battery cost me $13. It works every bit as good as the original battery did when it was new.  

I switched over to Windows about the time Windows 7 came out, and have not looked back.  Two of my laptops  (I mean my family) have had their original (external) batteries go bad.  I bought new ones.  They weren't as cheap as my cell phone replacement battery, but it wasn't a ridiculous cost.  

I will never buy a phone or laptop with an embedded battery.  

Good post, but plenty of windows laptops also have internal batteries, like my latitude I referenced earlier. 


Yeah, I've seen those too. 

I have to make one correction; I have bought a couple Chromebooks that have embedded batteries, but I only paid about $100 each for them (refurbs from Newegg.com).  I used one heavily for about a year, so I figure I got my money's worth out of it.  My wife uses the other one and it's a couple years old at this point. 

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 61416

You had a choice

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 94193

You can run unlicensed windows 10 for free. 

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 115211

None of the software I use for work is compatible with Apple.