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2/29/20 4:32 PM
1/12/07
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The Pendulum -
SpunQ -

I think rogue states will be fear mongered the worst.

 

Iran

Italy

Germany

New Zealand

Australia

 

Why ???

 

Soros .

 

Very few cases confirmed in nz.

 

Just shut out flights to india, but realistically it's too little too late. Chinese people going to the practice my mother works at have been wearing masks since december, especially those who had not long returned from China.

 

Our lady of communism doesn't want to know about coronavirus. She was more concerned with hanging out in Fiji, or some place like that.

Then I expect that country to replicate Italy.

Edited: 2/29/20 6:51 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 19568

Broke 86,000

 

Coronavirus Cases:

86,602 

view by country

Deaths:

2,977

Recovered:

42,135

ACTIVE CASES 

41,490

Currently Infected Patients

33,622 (81%) 

in Mild Condition

 

7,868 (19%)

in Serious or Critical Condition

2/29/20 7:16 PM
3/11/09
Posts: 12534
KingFanPaul -
robbie380 -

Good news came out that this virus likely cannot reinfect someone.  They figured this out thru analysis of the virus structure.  

 

Well except for the people who have already tested positive,  recovered,  tested negative,  then weeks later got sick and tested positive again.  They said like 14% of people have gotten it again. 

I saw that article but I dont think they are 100% sure those people were completely recovered to begin with.

2/29/20 7:17 PM
12/3/03
Posts: 90202
the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19

2/29/20 7:21 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 48664
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19


is that a wild guess or do you have sources to back that up?

2/29/20 7:37 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 888
Soup and Beer -
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19


is that a wild guess or do you have sources to back that up?

I think anyone that anyone who knows anything about EVILYOSHIDA knows the answer to that question.

2/29/20 7:45 PM
3/9/13
Posts: 4164
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19

Source please.

2/29/20 7:50 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 48665
Caladan - 
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19

Source please.


The only thing we know about the kits is they had a bad reagent in them causing a lot of false *negatives*, not false positives.   

2/29/20 7:52 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 890
Caladan -
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19

Source please.

He's not going to provide you with a legitimate source.  He doesn't have one.  Most hostpitals are using molecuar (rRT-PCR) and serology (antibody) tests.

 

The CDC developed the rRT-PCR test and it uses primers that are designed against a sequence that is specific ONLY to coronavirus.  The chances of that sequence being found in the flu is the same chance as zero.  It doesn't exist.  The chance of the test giving a false positive is effectively 0 as well. 

 

EVILYOSHIDA is both incompetent and not very bright. 

2/29/20 7:52 PM
12/3/03
Posts: 90204
Caladan - 
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19

Source please.



Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect the Potential Spread of Coronavirus
ProPublica
1 day ago

Lack of accurate coronavirus tests sets back effort to limit infections
Los Angeles Times
22 hours ago

Amid testing concerns, US officials unveil new coronavirus test kits and streamline commercial development
CNBC.com
1 day ago
More for CDC flawed covid testing
Web results

Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect ...www.propublica.org › article › cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test
2 days ago - The CDC designed a flawed test for COVID-19, then took weeks to figure out a fix so state and local labs could use it. New York still doesn't ...

Faulty CDC coronavirus test might delay detection of covid-19 ...www.washingtonpost.com › health › 2020/02/25 › cdc-coronavirus-test
4 days ago - Experts fear the small number of U.S. covid-19 cases reflects limited ... A faulty CDC coronavirus test delays monitoring of disease's spread.
2/29/20 7:53 PM
12/3/03
Posts: 90205
the tests are hogwash for the most part

Misidentification, false positive, false negatives, completely healed people getting positive tests again

the whole thing is one big clusterfuck

2/29/20 7:55 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 891
Soup and Beer -
Caladan - 
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19

Source please.


The only thing we know about the kits is they had a bad reagent in them causing a lot of false *negatives*, not false positives.   

False negatives are expected, even under ideal conditions.  False positives are theoretically *practically* impossible (without any contamination).

But to be fair, EVILYOSHIDA probably doesn't know the difference between a false positive and false negative.

2/29/20 7:57 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 892
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are hogwash for the most part

Misidentification, false positive, false negatives, completely healed people getting positive tests again

the whole thing is one big clusterfuck

As I suspected... You have no clue what you're talking about and are just hand-waving nonsense.   Save this sort of drivel for your mom's of facebook group.

2/29/20 7:58 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 893
EVILYOSHIDA -
Caladan - 
EVILYOSHIDA - the tests are extremely flawed and it's likely flu/common cold cases are being interpreted as COVID-19

Source please.



Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect the Potential Spread of Coronavirus
ProPublica
1 day ago

Lack of accurate coronavirus tests sets back effort to limit infections
Los Angeles Times
22 hours ago

Amid testing concerns, US officials unveil new coronavirus test kits and streamline commercial development
CNBC.com
1 day ago
More for CDC flawed covid testing
Web results

Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect ...www.propublica.org › article › cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test
2 days ago - The CDC designed a flawed test for COVID-19, then took weeks to figure out a fix so state and local labs could use it. New York still doesn't ...

Faulty CDC coronavirus test might delay detection of covid-19 ...www.washingtonpost.com › health › 2020/02/25 › cdc-coronavirus-test
4 days ago - Experts fear the small number of U.S. covid-19 cases reflects limited ... A faulty CDC coronavirus test delays monitoring of disease's spread.

So NOT A SINGLE SOURCE supporting your claim that its being misidetified as common cold?

 

I'M SHOCKED! lol

2/29/20 8:03 PM
12/3/03
Posts: 90208
^ apparently you can't read.

I said "likely" meaning it's my opinion.

2/29/20 8:08 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 894
EVILYOSHIDA - ^ apparently you can't read.

I said "likely" meaning it's my opinion.

So next time someone asks you for a source for what you said, don't provide a source for something entirely different trying to obfuscate the fact that you're full of shit.

 

When it comes to PCR-based methods, false negatives are common and expected.  False positives that match something entirely different are essentially impossible under the conditions we're talking about.

2/29/20 9:06 PM
11/21/15
Posts: 3913

I love it how someone can't state something as a fact and then when pressed on the issue they admit they made it up.

2/29/20 9:52 PM
4/27/14
Posts: 23190

Chicom data, but probably accurate:

2/29/20 10:46 PM
12/3/03
Posts: 90209
whatever methods they are using PCR or antibody.. FALSE POSITIVES HAVE HAPPENED:

"Later testing on the American woman, however, came back negative for COVID-19. While the CDC has not tested the woman directly, a spokesperson confirmed to TIME that after the patient’s initial positive result, two subsequent tests came back negative. Follow-up testing on 1,500 other passengers aboard the ship also came back negative. “At this time, CDC considers passengers from the Westerdam to be at ‘no risk’ or ‘low risk’ of SARS-CoV-2 infection during the 14 days after their last exposure,” the spokesperson said."


The testing is BOGUS and UNRELIABLE and even the authorities admit that.

End of story.

2/29/20 11:33 PM
7/31/09
Posts: 6304
The Stewed Owl -

Chicom data, but probably accurate:

This is like the grim reaper coming to kill off the weak.  Even with no pre existing conditions that death rate is still about 10x+ higher than the flu.  Hopefully they can get some anti-viral drugs mass produced ASAP to fight this shit.  

2/29/20 11:43 PM
12/3/03
Posts: 90210
^ that data is highly flawed as Chinese don't have enough test kits and are in many cases refusing to test new people

The mortality rate is not that high

2/29/20 11:54 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 895
EVILYOSHIDA - whatever methods they are using PCR or antibody.. FALSE POSITIVES HAVE HAPPENED:

"Later testing on the American woman, however, came back negative for COVID-19. While the CDC has not tested the woman directly, a spokesperson confirmed to TIME that after the patient’s initial positive result, two subsequent tests came back negative. Follow-up testing on 1,500 other passengers aboard the ship also came back negative. “At this time, CDC considers passengers from the Westerdam to be at ‘no risk’ or ‘low risk’ of SARS-CoV-2 infection during the 14 days after their last exposure,” the spokesperson said."


The testing is BOGUS and UNRELIABLE and even the authorities admit that.

End of story.

It's possible that early tests using antibodies may not have been clear.  But labs now are using reverse-transcription and PCR. PCR-based methods are the single most reliable way to idenitfy a DNA/RNA specifimen and its so critical to the field of biochemistry that the Nobel prize was awarded for its discovery.

To say it's 'bogus' and 'unreliable' is actually silly.  It's why people in positions of power don't even bother listening to anything people like you have to say about anything.

2/29/20 11:58 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 896
EVILYOSHIDA - ^ that data is highly flawed as Chinese don't have enough test kits and are in many cases refusing to test new people

The mortality rate is not that high

Are you just making this up as well?  When pressed for sources are you going to claim that this too is just your opinion?

3/1/20 1:19 AM
1/19/12
Posts: 31664
Cire -

Broke 86,000

 

Coronavirus Cases:

86,602 

view by country

Deaths:

2,977

Recovered:

42,135

ACTIVE CASES 

41,490

Currently Infected Patients

33,622 (81%) 

in Mild Condition

 

7,868 (19%)

in Serious or Critical Condition

Active cases are crashing down. Off 20% from the top. Might go under 40k in a couple of days.

Edited: 3/1/20 8:59 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 19573

Coronavirus Cases:

87,686 

view by country

Deaths:

2,994

Recovered:

42,635

ACTIVE CASES 

42,057

Currently Infected Patients

34,489 (82%) 

in Mild Condition


7,568 (18%) 

Serious or Critical