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2/10/20 8:08 AM
10/15/13
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camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

From this article...

https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-is-bad-comparing-it-to-the-flu-is-worse/

All I'm saying is, I wouldn't want to have been the person telling people to worry about heart disease instead of the flu in 1918. Before that outbreak was over, it had killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide; and, in the U.S., the number of deaths from respiratory illness surpassed those from heart disease for the first time in a decade. When it comes to disease--and particularly infectious ones--it's best to avoid pitting pathogens against one another in a sort of "mortality rate Olympics". Mother Nature doesn't let us choose, à la carte, which problems to digest and when. It's more like she's piling our plates with stuff we didn't ask for, and then adding to it even though we're full.

2/10/20 8:34 AM
1/1/01
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baj54 -
trobinson21 -

US influenza:

13,000,000 cases

180,000 hospitalizations 

10,000 deaths 

Dont be a fooking idiot. 

When was the last time an entire country full of millions of people went into lockdown because of the flu? 

Flu season started really early this year. This season of flu had a jumpstart in the statistics department.

If your going to compare shit make sure it apples to apples and not apples to oranges. Which your dumb ass is doing by comparing the two. 

Would you bareback a skanky looking hooker if her price point was expensive? What does any of that have to do with this coronavirus? Absolutely dick-all thats what! Which is what your doing trying to compare the flu and this coronavirus. 

 

"When was the last time an entire country full of millions of people went into lockdown because of the flu?"

 

This is a key point of why I'm paying attention to this more than previous illnesses. You can argue the mortality rates, you can compare it to other illnesses, you can argue if it's only a concern for the elderly and very young. But the fact that China is reacting to this significantly differently than any other illness, implies that there is something different about it, and that it's worth keeping an eye on

2/10/20 9:49 AM
8/2/19
Posts: 776
camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

And lions kill 0 people a year in the USA, but if lions were all of a sudden released into the streets and malls across America we'd be in big trouble.


Flu kills about 1/1000.  The kill rate for Coronavirus is already 1/50 which is similar to the spanish flu that killed millions and will move closer to 1/20 based on estimates. 

 

2/10/20 10:18 AM
11/17/19
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

fwiw

2/10/20 11:15 AM
12/29/06
Posts: 14887

If it's not that bad why is China lying about the numbers. Just wondering.

 

2/10/20 11:17 AM
10/15/13
Posts: 34663
WidespreadPanic -

If it's not that bad why is China lying about the numbers. Just wondering.

 

Your SN, I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

 

2/10/20 11:24 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 48245
trobinson21 -
baj54 -
trobinson21 -

US influenza:

13,000,000 cases

180,000 hospitalizations 

10,000 deaths 

Dont be a fooking idiot. 

When was the last time an entire country full of millions of people went into lockdown because of the flu? 

Flu season started really early this year. This season of flu had a jumpstart in the statistics department.

If your going to compare shit make sure it apples to apples and not apples to oranges. Which your dumb ass is doing by comparing the two. 

Would you bareback a skanky looking hooker if her price point was expensive? What does any of that have to do with this coronavirus? Absolutely dick-all thats what! Which is what your doing trying to compare the flu and this coronavirus. 

 

Don't be a fooling idiot, we've been treating the flu for 30 years and have a national vaccination program where 100 million people are vaccinated.

How many Chinamen were vaccinated for Coronovirus?

Someone mentioned that only old people die from the flu, does China not have any old people?

You tinfoil hatters are in a tizzy over nothing.

Lmao there is no vaccination for the 2019 n-Cov and won't be one for at least another year. And no treatment for it once you get it.  That's a big part of the problem.  This disease is new and we have no fire walls for it.

2/10/20 4:07 PM
12/31/18
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This man died a HERO. 

Edited: 2/10/20 4:33 PM
3/11/09
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jspeed -
camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

And lions kill 0 people a year in the USA, but if lions were all of a sudden released into the streets and malls across America we'd be in big trouble.


Flu kills about 1/1000.  The kill rate for Coronavirus is already 1/50 which is similar to the spanish flu that killed millions and will move closer to 1/20 based on estimates. 

 

Why do estimates predict it will start killing a higher percentage of people? Shouldn't the rate go down the more we learn about it?

2/10/20 4:43 PM
12/29/06
Posts: 14889
Al Cappucino - 
WidespreadPanic -

If it's not that bad why is China lying about the numbers. Just wondering.

 

Your SN, I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

 


Thanks for your content-free post.

 

2/10/20 4:57 PM
2/9/09
Posts: 9771

The problem is ration between the two. The flu has vaccines and some medications. 

2/10/20 5:58 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 19329

Coronavirus Cases:

42,760

view by country

Deaths:

1,013

Recovered:

4,097

Currently Infected 

37,650

Mild Condition 

31,155

(83% of currently infected)Serious or Critical 

6,495

(17% of currently infected)

 

Latest update 

2/10/20 6:08 PM
8/2/19
Posts: 777
Diabeetus -
jspeed -
camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

And lions kill 0 people a year in the USA, but if lions were all of a sudden released into the streets and malls across America we'd be in big trouble.


Flu kills about 1/1000.  The kill rate for Coronavirus is already 1/50 which is similar to the spanish flu that killed millions and will move closer to 1/20 based on estimates. 

 

Why do estimates predict it will start killing a higher percentage of people? Shouldn't the rate go down the more we learn about it?

It's not that it will start killing a higher percentage of people, it's that we're currently underestimating its fatality rate (because its early, incubation period length, etc).

 

Once we establish the actual rate you *would* expect it to decrease over time.

2/10/20 6:13 PM
5/18/06
Posts: 6936

The Chinese are lying.  They lie reflexively because that's what Chinese do to save face.  They couldn't stop if they wanted to. 

The CCP says there are 700,000 cases of regular flu there annually. The US CDC says the US has approximately 15,000,000 cases. So China only has 5% of the cases with a population that's 400%+ bigger. Deaths due to flu according to the CCP are less than 200 annually. CDC cites flu deaths in the US as 10,000. Extrapolating the data says the CCP claims 98% less cases of the flu than actual.

 

This disease has a mortality rate of between 2 and 5 percent, and no known vaccine.  Consider that. 

2/10/20 6:23 PM
2/2/15
Posts: 8765
Bam57Bam -
trobinson21 -

US influenza:

13,000,000 cases

180,000 hospitalizations 

10,000 deaths 

I keep seeing this repeated but no one wants to mention the difference. There problem with coronavirus is it's killing young healthy folks whereas the deaths from flu are usually the elderly or people with immune systems already compromised.

Funny, I heard the exact opposite, that it's mostly the old and sick that have died from it.

2/10/20 6:33 PM
10/8/13
Posts: 3859

China wouldn't shut down cities and start building hospitals asap for some minor little disease. This shit is obviously very serious. 

Edited: 2/11/20 9:11 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 19335

Coronavirus Cases

43,143

view by country

Deaths:

1,018

Recovered:

4,336

ACTIVE CASES

37,789

Currently Infected Patients

30,444 (81%) 

in Mild Condition


7,345 (19%) 

Serious or Critical

 

2/11/20 9:27 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 98022

Still only two deaths outside of China including one in Hong Kong (basically China), while the number shoots up by 10% in mainland China.  

Not sure what to make of that.  Could be the exposure to symptom time period, or it could be China is just overwhelmed.  

2/11/20 9:30 AM
10/15/13
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Trust -

Still only two deaths outside of China including one in Hong Kong (basically China), while the number shoots up by 10% in mainland China.  

Not sure what to make of that.  Could be the exposure to symptom time period, or it could be China is just overwhelmed.  

They're too busy rounding people up, isolating them and letting them die hoping this will 'kill off' the outbreak??

2/11/20 11:11 AM
11/11/11
Posts: 3251
camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

Ya you're right, you know how China quarantines an entire province every year because of the common flu. Or how countries put travel bans on each other every year because of the regular flu. Yup nothing to worry about 

Edited: 2/11/20 11:22 AM
7/4/11
Posts: 13410
trobinson21 -

US influenza:

13,000,000 cases

180,000 hospitalizations 

10,000 deaths 

I've said this a hundred times, but it bears repeating. You're comparing a completely diffuse and spread virus in equilibrium with a NEW virus that has just started to spread and that has barely achieved any exposure. The entire game we're trying to play is to stop its spread before it can achieve impressive numbers and before a cure becomes vital.

 

Although it's very inaccurate, there's no doubt that the fatality rate is an entire order of magnitude higher than the US influenza (2-3% v 0.1-0.3%). So we don't really want to wait until it's managed what the US influenza has. Particularly because of its much higher transmissibility via aerosol. No one should be panicking, but everyone should be carefully washing their hands and countries should be enacting travel restrictions.

2/11/20 11:22 AM
7/4/11
Posts: 13411

Fortunately, although the kill rate may be underestimated from China hiding the numbers, it might also be inflated from sick people surviving without even realizing they had nCoV.

 

Apparently the symptom range is huge and can be quite fatal or very mild even within a consistent patient type like the elderly or young.

Edited: 2/11/20 11:24 AM
1/23/19
Posts: 330
camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

China counts deaths differently than we do. The real death count is orders of magnitude higher. It's nothing like the flu. 20% of patients develop serious pneumonia. One in 5 hospitalized dies. 

Edited: 2/11/20 11:25 AM
7/4/11
Posts: 13412
Fedorsgoathatsfinal -
camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

China counts deaths differently than we do. The real death count is orders of magnitude higher. It's nothing like the flu. 20% of patients develop serious pneumonia. One in 5 hospitalized dies. 

Not to mention the silly bastard is using gross numbers instead of %. New corona managed those kills with far fewer people to tangle with.

Let's avoid expanding the sample size and giving it more immune systems to test out.

Edited: 2/11/20 12:07 PM
1/23/19
Posts: 331
trobinson21 -
MattyECB -
Fedorsgoathatsfinal -
camicom -

THese numbers seem bad until you compare them to our yearly flu numbers.

900 deaths in over 2 months from Corona virus

5000 deaths per month in the USA from regular flu

China counts deaths differently than we do. The real death count is orders of magnitude higher. It's nothing like the flu. 20% of patients develop serious pneumonia. One in 5 hospitalized dies. 

Not to mention the silly bastard is using gross numbers instead of %. New corona managed those kills with far fewer people to tangle with.

Let's avoid expanding the sample size and giving it more immune systems to test out.

The US ratio of fatal cases is 0.00%.

Ebola would have killed some of the US cases by now.

It's  under 20 cases in the US. Ebola is definitely more deadly but this virus spreads through the air, that changes everything.