OtherGround Forums at what point does Trump start getting credit

17 days ago
3/6/06
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trobinson21 -
Pura Vida -
JitsuGuy -
ksacs revenge - 

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


Black Jesus didn't do anything, bruh. He thought it impossible to bring factory jobs... "How is he gonna do that? What kind of magic wand does he have?" Black Jesus was so inept and making deals, he thought magic was the better solution. Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. Absolute trash. Sorry, but it's true.

aren't factory jobs now in decline again already?

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/factory-jobs-are-again-shrinking-in-industrial-midwestern-states-2019-09-25

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-trade-war-loss-of-manufacturing-jobs-contradicts-purpose-tariffs-2019-10-1028577666

 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-trade-war-loss-of-manufacturing-jobs-contradicts-purpose-tariffs-2019-10-1028577666

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-05/manufacturing-jobs-boom-is-fading

 

Manufacturing is like the GDP and the market, Trumpets haven't checked in a while so don't know that America is now losing manufacturing jobs, the GDP is anemic, and the market has sucked for almost two years.

The economy is doing well, cherry picking just makes you look like a bitter douche.

Lots of things to bitch about, the economy isn’t one.

It was the member of your team trump doing the cherry-picking, I just pointed out that he was lying.  Interesting that when he cherrypicked you thought it was fine.

The economy is so awesome that the feds had to cut interest, factory jobs are in decline, the market has been almost flat for two years, and the GDP is anemic.  

17 days ago
3/6/06
Posts: 30219
DaddyO4 -
Pura Vida - 
DaddyO4 - Just think what could be happening if he wasn't fought on every single issue, if the opposition spent a fraction of their energy and time trying to help the country as opposed to fighting him.

IMO opinion he has shown just how useless all of our leaders have been.

The things he is being fought on are all terrible ideas.  this fake excuse is just as pathetic when you lie it as it was when the obamabots lied it.

 

 


Nagger please.

thats what people write when they can't defend their beliefs honestly.

17 days ago
9/10/07
Posts: 23640

Certainly should get credit for a hot economy during his term. No new terrible foreign military entanglements is also a feather in his cap.

pretty much everything else is somewhere between a mixed bag to hot garbage.

17 days ago
3/6/06
Posts: 30220
e. kaye -

National Wealth has grown $10 trillion since 2016.

Overall national wealth is $98 trillion, vs the debt of $23 trillion.

 

Isn't this slower than during the previous administration?

17 days ago
1/7/09
Posts: 3954
ksacs revenge -

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.

Ha!

Edited: 17 days ago
11/20/13
Posts: 9205
ABCTT_TFK_Mr.Smiff -
Fake Pie - 
ksacs revenge - 

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


Why would you base your choices on what Trump supporters did?
 

because he's an idiot

It was tongue-in-cheek. You can't even keep up with this idiot. At least most of seem to realize Trump supporters gave Obama no credit, as you seem to think I give Trump no credit. Which was basically the point.

 

You fuckers should get off your high-horse, you didn't earn that position. 

16 days ago
7/21/10
Posts: 2234
ksacs revenge -

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.

Please enlighten us on what we should give Obama credit for? You see Trump’s list in half the time with resistance at every turn. I'll wait. 

Edited: 16 days ago
11/20/13
Posts: 9207
Licks72 -
ksacs revenge -

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.

Please enlighten us on what we should give Obama credit for? You see Trump’s list in half the time with resistance at every turn. I'll wait. 

Lol, see? Why should Trump get credit for "strong economy"?

16 days ago
1/2/15
Posts: 9112
ksacs revenge -

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.

Obama was a generic president 

Middle of the road 

16 days ago
1/2/15
Posts: 9113
ksacs revenge -
Licks72 -
ksacs revenge -

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.

Please enlighten us on what we should give Obama credit for? You see Trump’s list in half the time with resistance at every turn. I'll wait. 

Lol, see? Why should Trump get credit for "strong economy"?

Finally taking on China is bigger than anything Obama ever did. 

I know you won't be able to wrap your head around that fact 

16 days ago
9/26/10
Posts: 20679

ksacs, make a list of things you would like obama to get credit for, and we can hash it out right here. 

Edited: 16 days ago
11/20/13
Posts: 9208
ufc98newb -

ksacs, make a list of things you would like obama to get credit for, and we can hash it out right here. 

Why? Are going to go back in time to make sure the people who support Trump today give Obama credit in the past? It's too late for that, you wont be able to fix their hypocrisy.

16 days ago
11/20/13
Posts: 9209

And just to be clear, I don't care that Obama didn't get credit from these people. I just find it disgusting when they act like they're so much better than that when obviously that isn't true.

16 days ago
6/18/19
Posts: 713
Never... Orange man bad. He Russian agent. He racist. He withheld aid and bribed Ukraine to get dirt on Biden's...
16 days ago
5/13/11
Posts: 54107
trobinson21 -
FETT_Lay'n'PrayNINJA -
androb -
FETT_Lay'n'PrayNINJA -
Fan of Fanboys -
androb - my post did not include 2 SC Justice picks as Many Dems dont agree with them.

It also did not include building the wall - as some prefer open borders.


and that prison reform bill
and the animal cruelty bill

Lol at the animal bill, like any POTUS wouldn't have signed off on that type of bill with massive bipartisan support. That's Congress' doing. 

 

OP, yes DJT deserves credit for some of things you listed and has not been the massive failure many thought he would be in those regards. 

 

I would have liked to see him actually tackle two of him main campaign promises, healthcare reform and the deficit issues. So far he has done the opposite of helping with both of those subjects. 

He’s got 5 years to handle those 

but I’ll tell you what won’t help the deficit is free health care for illegals 

What’s the answer to health care? 
 

im of the opinion that a 2 tier system would work... if people want to pay for private insurance they can and they can avoid wait times / have access to better care etc. 
And those who choose not to pay are entitled to public care. 
(much like defense in criminal court cases ) 

Right of course. From the promise of "handling" healthcare immediately and replacing ACA with something so much better, to 'just vote for me again and this time I'll really do it!'. Lol

 

If you think after the numbers are already showing for deficit spending after his tax cuts, that he can keep good on that promise you're not very rational or good at math. 

 

Why ask me what the answer to healthcare is? Trump had it all figured out and sold you that he would replace ACA immediately.

Legislators Legislate, Trump can’t force Congress to pass bills they won’t even take his suggestions whatsoever now.

Also, please explain how tax cuts, which grew receipts, made the deficit worse.

Spending is the issue, the tax cuts brought in additional revenue. Looking forward to your answer.

The tax reciepts growth were negligible, while it showed clearly that citizens were paying more in taxes to offset the corporate massive cuts. Without the tax cuts it is arguable the receipts would have been even higher with the corporate revenue. 

 

So implementing his tax plan while simultaneously spending more and more makes for the exact opposite of his repeated promise to balance the budgets and eliminate our debt completely. 

16 days ago
5/13/11
Posts: 54108
trobinson21 -
Pura Vida -
JitsuGuy -
ksacs revenge - 

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


Black Jesus didn't do anything, bruh. He thought it impossible to bring factory jobs... "How is he gonna do that? What kind of magic wand does he have?" Black Jesus was so inept and making deals, he thought magic was the better solution. Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. Absolute trash. Sorry, but it's true.

aren't factory jobs now in decline again already?

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/factory-jobs-are-again-shrinking-in-industrial-midwestern-states-2019-09-25

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-trade-war-loss-of-manufacturing-jobs-contradicts-purpose-tariffs-2019-10-1028577666

 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-trade-war-loss-of-manufacturing-jobs-contradicts-purpose-tariffs-2019-10-1028577666

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-05/manufacturing-jobs-boom-is-fading

 

Manufacturing is like the GDP and the market, Trumpets haven't checked in a while so don't know that America is now losing manufacturing jobs, the GDP is anemic, and the market has sucked for almost two years.

The economy is doing well, cherry picking just makes you look like a bitter douche.

Lots of things to bitch about, the economy isn’t one.

He responded to someone else's claims about manufacturing jobs, and you claim he is cherry picking? Lmfao

16 days ago
12/2/02
Posts: 33309

Trump should get credit for a few things....

1) His presence in office is doing exactly what many of us hoped it would do. It is pulling back the curtain on the career politicians and corruption at the highest levels of the intelligence agencies. 

2) How many wars are we hearing about in the news these days? Trump doesn't give a shit what people think, he is getting us out of wars and NOT making new enemies. People bitch about how he talks to China and North Korea for instance, but I'm always of the opinion that if you get what you want out of a deal, it doesn't matter how you 'look'.

3) The economy is doing VERY well.

I think the fact that the country has the free time to dedicate to hating him is indicitive of the free time available because there is no bigger news, i.e. wars or terrorism etc. That is telling right there.

He's certainly not a polished President, but he's doing what needs to be done imo.

16 days ago
10/25/05
Posts: 10155

I have no problem giving him credit for things he has done. I just don't like the fact that he is often full of shit. Adding to the deficit in an economic boom is just setting us up for failure also. 

16 days ago
3/6/06
Posts: 30224
Junnk -
ksacs revenge -
Licks72 -
ksacs revenge -

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.

Please enlighten us on what we should give Obama credit for? You see Trump’s list in half the time with resistance at every turn. I'll wait. 

Lol, see? Why should Trump get credit for "strong economy"?

Finally taking on China is bigger than anything Obama ever did. 

I know you won't be able to wrap your head around that fact 

To be fair by "taking on China" you mean "embracing socialism."

16 days ago
3/6/06
Posts: 30225
sparkyman -

Trump should get credit for a few things....

1) His presence in office is doing exactly what many of us hoped it would do. It is pulling back the curtain on the career politicians and corruption at the highest levels of the intelligence agencies. 

2) How many wars are we hearing about in the news these days? Trump doesn't give a shit what people think, he is getting us out of wars and NOT making new enemies. People bitch about how he talks to China and North Korea for instance, but I'm always of the opinion that if you get what you want out of a deal, it doesn't matter how you 'look'.

3) The economy is doing VERY well.

I think the fact that the country has the free time to dedicate to hating him is indicitive of the free time available because there is no bigger news, i.e. wars or terrorism etc. That is telling right there.

He's certainly not a polished President, but he's doing what needs to be done imo.

GDP growth anemic, market anemic, factory jobs declining, deficit exploding, rate cuts required to fend off a recession... Sorry but calling that a very strong economy is dishonest.

16 days ago
3/6/06
Posts: 30226

also, lol @ the no new wars rhetoric as he sends troops to Saudi Arabia.

16 days ago
11/20/13
Posts: 9210

"His presence in office is doing exactly what many of us hoped it would do. It is pulling back the curtain on the career politicians and corruption at the highest levels of the intelligence agencies."

 

As the White House refuses to allow people to testify in a hearing about corruption. 

16 days ago
7/12/03
Posts: 11102
ksacs revenge - 

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


Were you bothered when they didnt? Isnt that hypocritical? So your saying that your no better than them and base your feelings on what others may have done in the past?
16 days ago
11/20/13
Posts: 9211
pcuzz -
ksacs revenge - 

I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


Were you bothered when they didnt? Isnt that hypocritical? So your saying that your no better than them and base your feelings on what others may have done in the past?

I already answered that point. No I don't care, I just enjoy pointing put how shitty Trump supporters are.

16 days ago
8/23/11
Posts: 6449
Pura Vida - 
sparkyman -

Trump should get credit for a few things....

1) His presence in office is doing exactly what many of us hoped it would do. It is pulling back the curtain on the career politicians and corruption at the highest levels of the intelligence agencies. 

2) How many wars are we hearing about in the news these days? Trump doesn't give a shit what people think, he is getting us out of wars and NOT making new enemies. People bitch about how he talks to China and North Korea for instance, but I'm always of the opinion that if you get what you want out of a deal, it doesn't matter how you 'look'.

3) The economy is doing VERY well.

I think the fact that the country has the free time to dedicate to hating him is indicitive of the free time available because there is no bigger news, i.e. wars or terrorism etc. That is telling right there.

He's certainly not a polished President, but he's doing what needs to be done imo.

GDP growth anemic, market anemic, factory jobs declining, deficit exploding, rate cuts required to fend off a recession... Sorry but calling that a very strong economy is dishonest.


by anemic you mean 2%+ GPD in last Q ?

by anemic you mean record stock market levels?

A net of +-500 000 manufacturing jobs CREATED since Jan 2017. ( last 3 months have been losers but does he get credit for the previous 3 years of gains?)

Rate cuts after how many rate hikes? 7-8? is it possible the FED raised rates too much too quick and that is what slowed the economy?

Yes.. trump is balooning the debt... and it needs to be fixed.

But your other points are flat out WRONG