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2/22/09
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President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


This is simply dishonest. The author omits "some of" to try to convince you that Obama is saying the absolute number of manufacturing jobs will not continue to increase under his successor.

What Obama said was "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back". If you listen to to full text of his response you'll see he is talking about job loss due to automation. Obama is treating his audience like adults and he is correct - some of those jobs are not coming back.
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9/8/02
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jcblass - 

President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


This is simply dishonest. The author omits "some of" to try to convince you that Obama is saying the absolute number of manufacturing jobs will not continue to increase under his successor.

What Obama said was "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back". If you listen to to full text of his response you'll see he is talking about job loss due to automation. Obama is treating his audience like adults and he is correct - some of those jobs are not coming back.

Yep, just like when he suggested high unemployment was just the new norm. 

 

Barack Obama warns of unemployment being 'new normal' in US

Barack Obama has warned of his concern about very high unemployment being "a new normal" in the United States.

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2/22/09
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jcblass - 
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jcblass - 

President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


This is simply dishonest. The author omits "some of" to try to convince you that Obama is saying the absolute number of manufacturing jobs will not continue to increase under his successor.

What Obama said was "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back". If you listen to to full text of his response you'll see he is talking about job loss due to automation. Obama is treating his audience like adults and he is correct - some of those jobs are not coming back.

Yep, just like when he suggested high unemployment was just the new norm. 

 

Barack Obama warns of unemployment being 'new normal' in US

Barack Obama has warned of his concern about very high unemployment being "a new normal" in the United States.


Obama did warn against the danger of a "new normal" of high unemployment back in 2010. But if you look at the numbers unemployment under Obama went down after that (a trend which continued into the Trump administration).

Did it ever occur to you to look at the numbers jcblass?
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9/8/02
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jcblass - 
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jcblass - 

President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


This is simply dishonest. The author omits "some of" to try to convince you that Obama is saying the absolute number of manufacturing jobs will not continue to increase under his successor.

What Obama said was "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back". If you listen to to full text of his response you'll see he is talking about job loss due to automation. Obama is treating his audience like adults and he is correct - some of those jobs are not coming back.

Yep, just like when he suggested high unemployment was just the new norm. 

 

Barack Obama warns of unemployment being 'new normal' in US

Barack Obama has warned of his concern about very high unemployment being "a new normal" in the United States.


Obama did warn against the danger of a "new normal" of high unemployment back in 2010. But if you look at the numbers unemployment under Obama went down after that (a trend which continued into the Trump administration).

Did it ever occur to you to look at the numbers jcblass?

I am simply trying to point out how nothing that was said actually happened. 

Oh, this is the new normal, number still goes down.

Elect Trump and the markets will crash, the markets go up.

Markets don't crash, that's because Obama set Trump up for success....

There is this constant shifting of the goal posts that Democrats just won't admit.

Jobs are created under Obama, "he is the greatest job president of all time"

Jobs are created under Trump, "well, Obama set him up for success, and regardless, the President has very little impact on the economy."

I have seen this game long enough, I just don't sit here with blinders on and move the goal posts to fit the facts. I just look at things like they are. 

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1/17/03
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jcblass - 

President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


The manufacturing sector is now in recession.

 

Volatility is a reality especially when this administration has taken extreme trade positions that are harmful short-term but (hopefully) aim to solve long term problems by addressing preexisting issues.
 
I am not arguing that Trump's economy is perfect in every micro category across the board, I am simply saying that the Democrats all warned that if Trump took office, the markets would collapse, global finance would falter, and we would be involved in massive wars. That hasn't happened. 
 
Sure manufacturing slowed, but after it went up 400%, a percentage thought to be virtually impossible because "those jobs are forever gone." There's ebb and flow to all of this, but generally speaking, things have gone very well, a far cry to the types of BS peddled before the election. 
 
So again, the left now wants to argue, "Trump's economy is a byproduct of the work Obama did." However, before the election, nobody said, "Well, even if Trump wins, the work Obama did on the economy will off-set any of Trump's actions.." Everyone said a Trump presidency would spell absolute doom for not just our economy but the economy of the world. That hasn't happened. Rather than recognize this reality, the left has moved the goal posts and now claim, "well Trump is just benefiting from Obama's work." 
 
If you can't at least see this much you are totally blinded by bias. 

 

 

I am not saying "Trump's economy is a byproduct of the work Obama did".

I'm saying that both the Trump and Obama economies are functionally the same, that the President has limited influence over the economy, and that the larger steps Trump has taken (tax cuts, trade war) have been irresponsible and wrongheaded.

Wrong

 

Trump gives businesses and investors the confidence to grow the economy. Obama never did that

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I agree. I understand the left wants to say that Trump's success is because "Obama got the ball rolling." But this is an example of them moving the goalposts to match the data. When Trump was running there was not a single Democrat who was out there saying, "You know what, even if Trump wins, it doesn't matter what he does, he can cancel all of Obama's policies on day one, by way of Executive Action, and the economy will still be strong." I didn't hear anyone saying, "Well, Trump might be a disaster, but the 8 years of Obama will lead to economic stability that will keep the nation thriving."
 
Nope, every expert and leftist went on TV and said, "The economy will tank if Trump is elected." Or, "The stock market will crash if Trump is elected." Or, "There is no possible way Trump can bring the type of growth and jobs he claims because those jobs don't exist." Or, "A Trump victory would destabilize the world markets and cause an economic thunderstorm never seen before..."
 
So, everyone agreed if Trump got into the White House and his fingers on the nukes, the markets would tank, the world's economy would be destabilized, we would be at war, and his tax plan would collapse the middle class. 
 
Well three years later, things are thriving...so what's the excuse? 

meanwhile, you're using old data instead of current.  you're no different than the Obamabots.

That's the saddest thing, Obama and Trump are 99.8% the exact same President and their slaves are so desperate to fight over which was.01% less terrible.


One inherited an epic recession and the other inherited the longest economic expansion of our lifetime, thats the main difference between the two.

 

Of course I am fucking using old data, my point was to show the predictions (old data) have not matched the results. Hillary and the Democrats assured us that a Trump victory would mean the collapse of both the domestic and world economies. I posted several examples of such dire warnings because you asked for a source, as though I just made it all up.

Of course all the predictions were wrong. That's my point. 

None of the economic catastrophies predicted by Democrats came true. Meanwhile, there has been steady job growth, unemployment % has continued to fall, there is no recession, consumer confidence has been decent and we are not in any global conflicts. Oddly, the left is now attacking Trump for refusing to engage nations in war LOL

Except that now manufacturing jobs have been disappearing for months, the DJIA has been flat for nearly two years, the GDP growth is bad, real wage gains are not high enough, the deficit is exploding, tax dollars are bailing out farmers, and the fed just had to reduce rates because of a risk of recession caused by Trumps trade war.

I asked for a source for what?

Every time you talk about the left it just makes it clear you can't defend Trump on his own merit.  The left is a train wreck just like he is.  Your team constantly told Americans how the sky would fall if Obama's policies were implemented.  Same shit, Trump is in many ways quite left.  His trade policy most closely aligns with Bernie's.
 

Funny thing the nasdaq is up 30% this year and the Dow up 19% YTD. 

manufacturing jobs are lagging and most likely business won’t invest until trade war is settled but the economy is doing well. 
BF & CM just set huge retail records. 
 

gdp growth is solid 2%. 
could it be better if USMCA and China deals were signed ... of course. and when they get signed I’m sure 3% plus will be in reach again 

for some reason you want to shit on the USA economy by cherry picking certain segments.  But overall it’s healthy. 
 

unlike your mental capacity 

Manufacturing growth was a hallmark of Trump's campaign, pointing out that it is in decline is relevant, not cherry-picking.  Especially given jcblass pumping his chest with old manufacturing data to try to claim it was doing great.

2%GDP growth is not "solid, its what we all considered a really slow recovery under the last President.

The DOW is only up a lot YTD because it plunged in December.  It was 26.6k in January 2018 and its 27.7k now.

The same story on the Nasdaq, it plunged last December.  In 2018 it was 8100 and its only at 8500 now.

And as previously pointed out, the fed just had to reduce rates and the deficit is growing... 

The USMCA is just a slightly tweaked NAFTA, hardly some magic bullet.  Environmental and labor regulations are hardly a boom for the economy, nor are auto tariffs.

I'm not shitting on the US economy, just pointing out that the Trumpets on here are really dishonest about it.  Sorry, when the fed is reducing rates to prevent a recession, GDP sucks, the market sucks, manufacturing jobs are declining, and the deficit sucks, then pretending the economy is doing great (by cherry-picking the way you did) is silly.
 

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jcblass - 
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jcblass - 

President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


The manufacturing sector is now in recession.

 

Volatility is a reality especially when this administration has taken extreme trade positions that are harmful short-term but (hopefully) aim to solve long term problems by addressing preexisting issues.
 
I am not arguing that Trump's economy is perfect in every micro category across the board, I am simply saying that the Democrats all warned that if Trump took office, the markets would collapse, global finance would falter, and we would be involved in massive wars. That hasn't happened. 
 
Sure manufacturing slowed, but after it went up 400%, a percentage thought to be virtually impossible because "those jobs are forever gone." There's ebb and flow to all of this, but generally speaking, things have gone very well, a far cry to the types of BS peddled before the election. 
 
So again, the left now wants to argue, "Trump's economy is a byproduct of the work Obama did." However, before the election, nobody said, "Well, even if Trump wins, the work Obama did on the economy will off-set any of Trump's actions.." Everyone said a Trump presidency would spell absolute doom for not just our economy but the economy of the world. That hasn't happened. Rather than recognize this reality, the left has moved the goal posts and now claim, "well Trump is just benefiting from Obama's work." 
 
If you can't at least see this much you are totally blinded by bias. 

 

 

I am not saying "Trump's economy is a byproduct of the work Obama did".

I'm saying that both the Trump and Obama economies are functionally the same, that the President has limited influence over the economy, and that the larger steps Trump has taken (tax cuts, trade war) have been irresponsible and wrongheaded.

Wrong

 

Trump gives businesses and investors the confidence to grow the economy. Obama never did that

the longest economic expansion in history started during the obama years.  I don't think he caused it, but clearly business and investors were plenty confident.

10 days ago
3/6/06
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jcblass -
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jcblass - 
yabadaba - 
jcblass - 

President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


This is simply dishonest. The author omits "some of" to try to convince you that Obama is saying the absolute number of manufacturing jobs will not continue to increase under his successor.

What Obama said was "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back". If you listen to to full text of his response you'll see he is talking about job loss due to automation. Obama is treating his audience like adults and he is correct - some of those jobs are not coming back.

Yep, just like when he suggested high unemployment was just the new norm. 

 

Barack Obama warns of unemployment being 'new normal' in US

Barack Obama has warned of his concern about very high unemployment being "a new normal" in the United States.


Obama did warn against the danger of a "new normal" of high unemployment back in 2010. But if you look at the numbers unemployment under Obama went down after that (a trend which continued into the Trump administration).

Did it ever occur to you to look at the numbers jcblass?

I am simply trying to point out how nothing that was said actually happened. 

Oh, this is the new normal, number still goes down.

Elect Trump and the markets will crash, the markets go up.

Markets don't crash, that's because Obama set Trump up for success....

There is this constant shifting of the goal posts that Democrats just won't admit.

Jobs are created under Obama, "he is the greatest job president of all time"

Jobs are created under Trump, "well, Obama set him up for success, and regardless, the President has very little impact on the economy."

I have seen this game long enough, I just don't sit here with blinders on and move the goal posts to fit the facts. I just look at things like they are. 

so you're saying you and the trumpets are just like the democrats.

 

i couldn't agree more.  sure your trade policy is a little more socialist and you're even more opposed to free trade, but mostly just the same.

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3/6/06
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President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


This is simply dishonest. The author omits "some of" to try to convince you that Obama is saying the absolute number of manufacturing jobs will not continue to increase under his successor.

What Obama said was "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back". If you listen to to full text of his response you'll see he is talking about job loss due to automation. Obama is treating his audience like adults and he is correct - some of those jobs are not coming back.

Yep, just like when he suggested high unemployment was just the new norm. 

 

Barack Obama warns of unemployment being 'new normal' in US

Barack Obama has warned of his concern about very high unemployment being "a new normal" in the United States.

He never suggested that high unemployment was the new norm, it's just that you misquoted him.  He did say in 2010 that there was a risk of it becoming the new norm, but that's totally different than predicting or claiming it would be the new normal.

You also misquoted him on manufacturing jobs, which are indeed in decline anyway.

 

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Right, Everything Trump is bad and wrong, always and forever, amen.

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I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


So, you are admitting to everybody that you are a partisan hack?

No different than any of you. Deal with it.

 

Either you think I'm giving Trump credit, which I doubt you have a problem with, or you think Trump supporters gave Obama no credit. 

Who gives a shit what other people do? Why are you basing your opinion on the opinion of others? 

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I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


So, you are admitting to everybody that you are a partisan hack?

No different than any of you. Deal with it.

 

Either you think I'm giving Trump credit, which I doubt you have a problem with, or you think Trump supporters gave Obama no credit. 

Who gives a shit what other people do? Why are you basing your opinion on the opinion of others? 

Exactly. It's the sign of little character and no integrity. He is a sheep. He looks to what others are doing before he decides what's right or wrong. It's the basis for the democratic party. They shame the stupid to vote for them. Calling Trump supporters "deplorable" is a good example. 

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My wife gives him tons of credit . Three years ago she hated him . She's now all MAGA and it pisses off most of her friends and family , She is a permanent resident from Ecuador . I nearly choked on dinner When she said her country would be lucky to have a Trump as president . 

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I'll give him as much credit has his supporters gave Obama.


So, you are admitting to everybody that you are a partisan hack?

No different than any of you. Deal with it.

 

Either you think I'm giving Trump credit, which I doubt you have a problem with, or you think Trump supporters gave Obama no credit. 

Who gives a shit what other people do? Why are you basing your opinion on the opinion of others? 

Exactly. It's the sign of little character and no integrity. He is a sheep. He looks to what others are doing before he decides what's right or wrong. It's the basis for the democratic party. They shame the stupid to vote for them. Calling Trump supporters "deplorable" is a good example. 

I have never in my life met a single Republican or Trumpet who doesn't do that. Agree with you about the Democrats, but if you are pretending your team does less of it, thats not supportable.

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Hell the entire Republican party now hates Obamacare and free trade and now loves protectionism and bailouts.  Also they like reducing prison time for criminals.

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Said it before and i’ll say it again- even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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jcblass -
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jcblass - 

President Obama notably said in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He said this at a time when manufacturing job growth had flatlined, falling by 31,000 from January of 2016 to when he delivered his pessimistic comments in June of that year.

 

 

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#795d76a220a6


This is simply dishonest. The author omits "some of" to try to convince you that Obama is saying the absolute number of manufacturing jobs will not continue to increase under his successor.

What Obama said was "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back". If you listen to to full text of his response you'll see he is talking about job loss due to automation. Obama is treating his audience like adults and he is correct - some of those jobs are not coming back.

Yep, just like when he suggested high unemployment was just the new norm. 

 

Barack Obama warns of unemployment being 'new normal' in US

Barack Obama has warned of his concern about very high unemployment being "a new normal" in the United States.

Reading comprehension isn’t your thing, is it? Skip the headline, then go to the next line. “....has warned of his concern...” 

I don’t think that is a statement that it is 100% going to happen.