OtherGround Forums best contact hitters in baseball ? last 40 years

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Donny baseball
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Prime Miggy is one of the best ever.  

9/25/17 12:46 AM
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Taco Muncher - 

I'd go with Gwynn like the majority here.
Lifetime average: .338 
Lifetime OBP: .388 
Lifetime slugging: .459 
Limetime OPS: .847


Now, the OP specifies the past 40 years. But out of curiosity...

Ted Williams
Lifetime average: .344
Lifetime OBP: .482
Lifetime slugging: .634 (insane!!!)
Lifetime OPS: 1.116 (again, insane!!!)

The Splendid Splinter was so FUCKING GREAT!

 


 

Ty Cobb was pretty insane too.

Lifetime average: .366
Lifetime OBP: .433
Lifetime slugging: .512
Lifetime OPS: .945

9/25/17 1:03 AM
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knockout 247 - 

Tony gwynn and its not close


you're nuts.

1. ichiro
2. ichiro
3. ichiro

then maybe gwynn at 4th
9/25/17 6:07 AM
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Chipper Jones would be on my list somewhere
9/25/17 7:01 AM
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One of 'em is playing right now .... Joey Votto. For a guy who hits for power (35 HR) and draw as many walks as he does (league leading 130) to only have 78 strikeouts is ridiculous. There are only a handful of guys who have more walks than strikeouts, and Votto is within striking distance of going two-for-one.
9/25/17 7:06 AM
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tapnaporsnapbro - 
knockout 247 - 

Tony gwynn and its not close


you're nuts.

1. ichiro
2. ichiro
3. ichiro

then maybe gwynn at 4th

Ichiro was a better player than Gwynn due to his baserunning and defense, but Gwynn was better at making contact at the plate. Gwynn's 434 career strikeouts versus Ichiro's 1072 K's makes that pretty clear.
9/25/17 7:11 AM
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Joe DiMaggio deserves a mention as well. His 1941 season is arguably the gold standard of making contact. 622 plate appearances, 193 hits, 76 walks, 13 strikeouts. THIRTEEN! Aaron Judge can put up 13 K's in a week.
9/25/17 7:23 AM
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mada -

Wouldn't 40 years include Pete Rose? 

Sure. And he isn't remotely in the conversation with Gwynn, Carew or Boggs. His lifetime batting average isn't within 25 points of any of them. 

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knockout 247 -

Tony gwynn and its not close

This. His career high for strikeouts in a season was 40. Ichiro is a great contact hitter no doubt. But Gwyn is the answer. 

9/25/17 7:32 AM
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For his career batting average to slip below .300, Gwynn would have needed to add 1,183 hitless at-bats to his total — roughly the equivalent of two full seasons. (Via @AceballStats)
9/25/17 7:33 AM
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All time, Joe Sewell
9/25/17 7:46 AM
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another vote for Gwynn

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Taco Muncher -

I'd go with Gwynn like the majority here.
Lifetime average: .338 
Lifetime OBP: .388 
Lifetime slugging: .459 
Limetime OPS: .847


Now, the OP specifies the past 40 years. But out of curiosity...

Ted Williams
Lifetime average: .344
Lifetime OBP: .482
Lifetime slugging: .634 (insane!!!)
Lifetime OPS: 1.116 (again, insane!!!)

The Splendid Splinter was so FUCKING GREAT!

 

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter who ever lived.

9/25/17 8:18 AM
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Ichiro or Roberto Alomar

9/25/17 8:20 AM
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Dave Kingman

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Taco Muncher -

I'd go with Gwynn like the majority here.
Lifetime average: .338 
Lifetime OBP: .388 
Lifetime slugging: .459 
Limetime OPS: .847


Now, the OP specifies the past 40 years. But out of curiosity...

Ted Williams
Lifetime average: .344
Lifetime OBP: .482
Lifetime slugging: .634 (insane!!!)
Lifetime OPS: 1.116 (again, insane!!!)

The Splendid Splinter was so FUCKING GREAT!

 

And missed prime years to serve in war. Teddy Ballgame is my fav ever. My HS health teacher caught his last homerun, which was his last at bat. Teach had a cup of coffee with the Os
9/25/17 8:58 AM
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Steve4192 - Joe DiMaggio deserves a mention as well. His 1941 season is arguably the gold standard of making contact. 622 plate appearances, 193 hits, 76 walks, 13 strikeouts. THIRTEEN! Aaron Judge can put up 13 K's in a week.

In 1941 Ted Williams struck out 27 times. Which is 14 more than Joe D. But....with 606 playe appearances, he had 185 hits, 147 walks, a .406 batting average, a .553 OBP, and a .735 slugging percentage.

9/25/17 9:11 AM
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as mentioned

 

gwynn boggs ichiro are 1-3

 

a few other notables in the last 40 years

 

mattingly

alomar

larkin

willie mcgee

puckett

craig jeffries

keith hernandez

wally joyner

john olerud

 

 

i'm sure i'm missing quite a few worthy names and they'll come to me through outt he day

9/25/17 9:18 AM
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knockout 247 - 

Tony gwynn and its not close


Thats what im thinking.

I also would put George Brett ahead of guys like Ichiro.

Even in Brett's "off" years of .290 averages, he was still only striking out 40 times or so.

9/25/17 9:27 AM
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Steve4192 - One of 'em is playing right now .... Joey Votto. For a guy who hits for power (35 HR) and draw as many walks as he does (league leading 130) to only have 78 strikeouts is ridiculous. There are only a handful of guys who have more walks than strikeouts, and Votto is within striking distance of going two-for-one.

Votto is a great hitter, no doubt.  But Gwynn averaged 29 strikeouts/162 games.  That is other worldly.  He played every year in the 90s.  He was in the teens for strikouts in all but two of those years.  His high season total was 28.  He hit over .350 in seven different seasons.

9/25/17 9:28 AM
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tapnaporsnapbro - 
knockout 247 - 

Tony gwynn and its not close


you're nuts.

1. ichiro
2. ichiro
3. ichiro

then maybe gwynn at 4th

Gwynn struck out once every 21.4 ABs. Ichiro 1 every 9.2 ABs . Gwynn by a mile over Ichiro who is nowhere near 2nd to Gwynn
9/25/17 9:39 AM
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Joe Sewell struck out once every 62 at bats. 114 strikeouts in 14 years.
9/25/17 10:16 AM
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Glowman - 
Steve4192 - Joe DiMaggio deserves a mention as well. His 1941 season is arguably the gold standard of making contact. 622 plate appearances, 193 hits, 76 walks, 13 strikeouts. THIRTEEN! Aaron Judge can put up 13 K's in a week.

In 1941 Ted Williams struck out 27 times. Which is 14 more than Joe D. But....with 606 playe appearances, he had 185 hits, 147 walks, a .406 batting average, a .553 OBP, and a .735 slugging percentage.


One thing to keep in mind with those old-timers though is how different the game was back then. Dolph Camilli's 115 strikeouts led the majors back in 1941. This season, there are 84 guys who have topped that total and Aaron Judge will come close to doubling it before the season is done. The biggest whiffer of 1941 would be considered a contact hitter in today's game.
9/25/17 10:30 AM
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Bad Monkey - 
Steve4192 - One of 'em is playing right now .... Joey Votto. For a guy who hits for power (35 HR) and draw as many walks as he does (league leading 130) to only have 78 strikeouts is ridiculous. There are only a handful of guys who have more walks than strikeouts, and Votto is within striking distance of going two-for-one.

Votto is a great hitter, no doubt.  But Gwynn averaged 29 strikeouts/162 games.  That is other worldly.  He played every year in the 90s.  He was in the teens for strikouts in all but two of those years.  His high season total was 28.  He hit over .350 in seven different seasons.


But part of the reason Gwynn was so successful making contact was that he didn't take two-strike walks and he didn't take full swings. Gwynn would choke up on the bat from the first pitch, and would almost never take a questionable pitch with two strikes. A bunch of Votto's strikeouts are with the bat on his shoulder, and he sacrifices some contact early in the count in order to drive the ball. And in light of how the game is currently played, those adjustments make sense.

Gwynn probably could have afforded to take a few more chances as well, but he had an old-school (1920s school) fetish when it came to making contact. In an era where roided up players were looking to hit the ball out of the stadium, Gwynn was content to dink-and-dunk singles over the infielder's heads and lash doubles down the line.