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wasabi - Joe Sewell struck out once every 62 at bats. 114 strikeouts in 14 years.

Nobody struck out much during the deadball era. It's not really a fair comparison. Aaron Judge strikes out more in one season than half those guys did in their careers.
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Steve4192 -
wasabi - Joe Sewell struck out once every 62 at bats. 114 strikeouts in 14 years.

Nobody struck out much during the deadball era. It's not really a fair comparison. Aaron Judge strikes out more in one season than half those guys did in their careers.
Just because eras are different in sports, it doesn't mean they are automatically excluded from discussions. Relativity is still a viable concept.
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sugarhigh - How about a case for Votto?


Lifetime average: .317
Lifetime OBP: .452
Lifetime slugging: .571
Limetime OPS: 1.024

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/04/06/joey-votto-cincinnati-reds

When you walk 130 times in a season, that's 130 times you did not make contact. Votto may be the most under appreciated player of the last decade, though. Absolute beast. 

9/25/17 11:43 AM
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A guy walking a lot should not count against his ability as a contact hitter, though. Williams, the greatest pure hitter to ever live and still the greatest thinker on hitting to ever live was always adament that a great hitter should be walking way over 100 times a season--in order to get the right pitches to hit, you had to have that kind of an eye. He was figuring this out decades before anybody used the term "money ball." He has best sabermetric numbers in history, except maybe Ruth, without even knowing those stats would exist some day.

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i thought molitor was amazing but i haven't looked at his strikeouts. 

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Another good old one nobody knows is Carney Langsford, especially when he's was with the A's. He batted behind Rickey Henderson when he was a beast, so when ever he got on base Carney had to take the first 3 or 4 pitches so Rickey had time to steal. And the guy would still get hits always being down in the count 

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Steve4192 -
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Steve4192 - Joe DiMaggio deserves a mention as well. His 1941 season is arguably the gold standard of making contact. 622 plate appearances, 193 hits, 76 walks, 13 strikeouts. THIRTEEN! Aaron Judge can put up 13 K's in a week.

In 1941 Ted Williams struck out 27 times. Which is 14 more than Joe D. But....with 606 playe appearances, he had 185 hits, 147 walks, a .406 batting average, a .553 OBP, and a .735 slugging percentage.


One thing to keep in mind with those old-timers though is how different the game was back then. Dolph Camilli's 115 strikeouts led the majors back in 1941. This season, there are 84 guys who have topped that total and Aaron Judge will come close to doubling it before the season is done. The biggest whiffer of 1941 would be considered a contact hitter in today's game.

That is because back then it was viewed as a bad thing to do. On the otherhand, I think it's more impressive to take a ton of walks and strike out a small amount of times than to swing and make contact alot and not do it. Taking alot of pitches is a good way to get caught looking alot.

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BriggsSeekins -

A guy walking a lot should not count against his ability as a contact hitter, though. Williams, the greatest pure hitter to ever live and still the greatest thinker on hitting to ever live was always adament that a great hitter should be walking way over 100 times a season--in order to get the right pitches to hit, you had to have that kind of an eye. He was figuring this out decades before anybody used the term "money ball." He has best sabermetric numbers in history, except maybe Ruth, without even knowing those stats would exist some day.

He didn't make contact. Ichiro is the best of the modern era because he was a high percentage hitter who would swing at anything. Contact hitter is a silly stat, so you're gonna get silly results. 

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Philosophy for hitters in baseball has changed

It used to be considered an embarrassment for guys to strike out. The importance in a lot of situations was to just get the ball in play, even if it was just to move a runner over.

Growing up, and playing a lot of baseball, I was always of the mindset that a strike out was just about the most embarrassing way to make an out.

These days, guys like Aaron Judge will go 1-4, with three strikeouts, but will hit a 400 foot home run as their one hit, and fans will gush over that.

It's all about launch angle, and how fast the ball comes off the bat. Never mind you have more strikeouts in one season than Wade Boggs did in his entire career, lol.

There are teams that are built that way. The Orioles, Rays, etc. Tons of homeruns. Tons of strikeouts. They lose games if they can't hit multiple homeruns per game.

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Scotttbu -

Another good old one nobody knows is Carney Langsford, especially when he's was with the A's. He batted behind Rickey Henderson when he was a beast, so when ever he got on base Carney had to take the first 3 or 4 pitches so Rickey had time to steal. And the guy would still get hits always being down in the count 

He won a batting title for the Red Sox. He became expendable because of Boggs so they traded him to Oakland for Tony Armas, who was nearly as bad of a contact hitter as Dave Kingman. 

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Chimonos Revenge - 

Philosophy for hitters in baseball has changed

It used to be considered an embarrassment for guys to strike out. The importance in a lot of situations was to just get the ball in play, even if it was just to move a runner over.

Growing up, and playing a lot of baseball, I was always of the mindset that a strike out was just about the most embarrassing way to make an out.

These days, guys like Aaron Judge will go 1-4, with three strikeouts, but will hit a 400 foot home run as their one hit, and fans will gush over that.

It's all about launch angle, and how fast the ball comes off the bat. Never mind you have more strikeouts in one season than Wade Boggs did in his entire career, lol.

There are teams that are built that way. The Orioles, Rays, etc. Tons of homeruns. Tons of strikeouts. They lose games if they can't hit multiple homeruns per game.


Good points.

I imagine the Cubs and Red Sox had high strikeout guys, but I think baseball is shifting back to manufacturing runs and a higher emphasis on pitching and having a bullpen that can go 3+ innings.

 

 

 

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Scotttbu - 

Another good old one nobody knows is Carney Langsford, especially when he's was with the A's. He batted behind Rickey Henderson when he was a beast, so when ever he got on base Carney had to take the first 3 or 4 pitches so Rickey had time to steal. And the guy would still get hits always being down in the count 


that would be Carney Lansford
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Top 10 Highest Batting Averages Since 1941
1. Tony Gwynn, San Diego (1994) .394
2. George Brett, Kansas City (1980) .390
3. Ted Williams, Boston (1957) .388
Rod Carew, Minnesota (1977) .388
5. Larry Walker, Colorado (1999) .379
6. Stan Musial, St. Louis (1948) .376
7. Tony Gwynn, San Diego (1997) .372
Nomar Garciaparra, Boston (2000) .372
Todd Helton, Colorado (2000) .372
Ichiro Suzuki, Seattle (2004) .372
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Gwyn or Rose
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Forgot Nomar had a few seasons.

 

Definitely not the best, but an overlooked name is Mark Grace. No one has more hits in the 90s. If we're talking greatest contact hitters in the last 40 years then I think the hits leader for a decade should be mentioned. 

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SopranosQuoteGuy - 
Chimonos Revenge - 

Philosophy for hitters in baseball has changed

It used to be considered an embarrassment for guys to strike out. The importance in a lot of situations was to just get the ball in play, even if it was just to move a runner over.

Growing up, and playing a lot of baseball, I was always of the mindset that a strike out was just about the most embarrassing way to make an out.

These days, guys like Aaron Judge will go 1-4, with three strikeouts, but will hit a 400 foot home run as their one hit, and fans will gush over that.

It's all about launch angle, and how fast the ball comes off the bat. Never mind you have more strikeouts in one season than Wade Boggs did in his entire career, lol.

There are teams that are built that way. The Orioles, Rays, etc. Tons of homeruns. Tons of strikeouts. They lose games if they can't hit multiple homeruns per game.


Good points.

I imagine the Cubs and Red Sox had high strikeout guys, but I think baseball is shifting back to manufacturing runs and a higher emphasis on pitching and having a bullpen that can go 3+ innings.

 

 

 


Red Sox have a weird team this year. Their pitchers get a ton of strikeouts.

As far as hitting, they are least in the AL in Homeruns I believe, but First in the league in number of games won without a home run.

They are fast and aggressive on the bases and manufactur runs old school
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Out of curiosity I looked up Aaron Judge's stats for this year--right now he has 203 strike outs. That's over half of what Joe Dimagio had in 13 season (365). It's almost half of what Gwynn had in 20 years (434). But I would argue Judge's KO total is more or less irrelevant. He has a decent average, a .418 OBP and a .620 Slugging. Complaining about his strikeouts would be like criticizing George Foreman for not being great at bobbing and weaving. 

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Pete Rose was still playing 40 years ago...so has to be at the top of the list, 3215 singles.

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thekev1130 - 

Pete Rose was still playing 40 years ago...so has to be at the top of the list, 3215 singles.


pete rose is good because he had a "very good" year, every year for 20+ years.

but he didnt have many "great" seasons

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Gwynn takes the cake if you ask me contact wise. 

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thekev1130 - 

Pete Rose was still playing 40 years ago...so has to be at the top of the list, 3215 singles.


pete rose is good because he had a "very good" year, every year for 20+ years.

but he didnt have many "great" seasons

I think Rose is a douche bag and comically overrated by some people. But he definitely had a slew of great seasons in his prime.