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7/21/18 12:44 PM
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Democratic socialism rising in the age of Trump

The Associated Press Steve Peoples

Last Updated July 21, 2018 11:00 AM EDT

 

PORTLAND, Maine — A week ago, Maine Democrat Zak Ringelstein wasn’t quite ready to consider himself a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, even if he appreciated the organization’s values and endorsement in his bid to become a U.S. senator.

Three days later, he told The Associated Press it was time to join up. He’s now the only major-party Senate candidate in the nation to be a dues-paying democratic socialist.

Ringelstein’s leap is the latest evidence of a nationwide surge in the strength and popularity of an organization that, until recently, operated on the fringes of the liberal movement’s farthest left flank. As Donald Trump’s presidency stretches into its second year, democratic socialism has become a significant force in Democratic politics. Its rise comes as Democrats debate whether moving too far left will turn off voters.

“I stand with the democratic socialists, and I have decided to become a dues-paying member,” Ringelstein told AP. “It’s time to do what’s right, even if it’s not easy.”

 

There are 42 people running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan.

The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Congress’ only self-identified democratic socialist, campaigned Friday with the movement’s newest star, New York City congressional candidate Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old former bartender who defeated one of the most powerful House Democrats last month.

Her victory fed a flame that was already beginning to burn brighter. The DSA’s paid membership has hovered around 6,000 in the years before Trump’s election, said Allie Cohn, a member of the group’s national political team.

Last week, its paid membership hit 45,000 nationwide.

 

There is little distinction made between the terms “democratic socialism” and “socialism” in the group’s literature. While Ringelstein and other DSA-backed candidates promote a “big-tent” philosophy, the group’s constitution describes its members as socialists who “reject an economic order based on private profit” and “share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

Members during public meetings often refer to each other “comrades,” wear clothing featuring socialist symbols like the rose and promote authors such as Karl Marx.

 

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/democratic-socialism-surging-in-the-age-of-trump

 

7/21/18 12:47 PM
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I won't post the whole article but it's very interesting and worth the read. 

 

It appears this revolution will be televised. 

7/21/18 12:50 PM
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Time to reanimate McCarthy.

7/21/18 1:14 PM
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LOL

 

7/21/18 1:21 PM
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  Going full retard will do nothing but hurt the Democrats in the short term maybe even in long term maybe even split the party completely.

7/21/18 1:24 PM
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People need to stop using Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's win as some sort of insurgency.

 

There was less than 12% voter turnout. Under 30,000 people voted in the primary and she won by around 4,000 votes.

 

That is not indicative of the start of some major revolution.

 

This is why she had a Twitter meltdown at Crowley still being on the ticket this November under the WFP. Because she knows that her "massive upset win" was largely due to voter apathy rather than the strength of her political views.

7/21/18 1:35 PM
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Democratic socialism rising in the age of Trump

The Associated Press Steve Peoples

Last Updated July 21, 2018 11:00 AM EDT

 

PORTLAND, Maine — A week ago, Maine Democrat Zak Ringelstein wasn’t quite ready to consider himself a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, even if he appreciated the organization’s values and endorsement in his bid to become a U.S. senator.

Three days later, he told The Associated Press it was time to join up. He’s now the only major-party Senate candidate in the nation to be a dues-paying democratic socialist.

Ringelstein’s leap is the latest evidence of a nationwide surge in the strength and popularity of an organization that, until recently, operated on the fringes of the liberal movement’s farthest left flank. As Donald Trump’s presidency stretches into its second year, democratic socialism has become a significant force in Democratic politics. Its rise comes as Democrats debate whether moving too far left will turn off voters.

“I stand with the democratic socialists, and I have decided to become a dues-paying member,” Ringelstein told AP. “It’s time to do what’s right, even if it’s not easy.”

 

There are 42 people running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan.

The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Congress’ only self-identified democratic socialist, campaigned Friday with the movement’s newest star, New York City congressional candidate Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old former bartender who defeated one of the most powerful House Democrats last month.

Her victory fed a flame that was already beginning to burn brighter. The DSA’s paid membership has hovered around 6,000 in the years before Trump’s election, said Allie Cohn, a member of the group’s national political team.

Last week, its paid membership hit 45,000 nationwide.

 

There is little distinction made between the terms “democratic socialism” and “socialism” in the group’s literature. While Ringelstein and other DSA-backed candidates promote a “big-tent” philosophy, the group’s constitution describes its members as socialists who “reject an economic order based on private profit” and “share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

Members during public meetings often refer to each other “comrades,” wear clothing featuring socialist symbols like the rose and promote authors such as Karl Marx.

 

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/democratic-socialism-surging-in-the-age-of-trump

 

Besides the free college tuition it sounds  like Canada 

universal healthcare for all

$15 min wage

no ice. 

I definately don’t consider myself a socialist 

7/21/18 1:35 PM
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Will read later 

7/21/18 1:40 PM
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Just to be up front, I dont recognize the difference between vangaurd socialism and democratic socialism.

 

They are just slightly different methods to achieve the same authoritarian state, dropping with human suffering.

 

They should be treated socially as the enemy of the west. 

 

Fuck these people.  I mean that with all my heart. 

 

If you like them, fuck you.  Fuck off.  You're an authoritarian cunt, and I dont appreciate your existence.

 

 

And that should be every sane persons response.  They should be viewed with the exact same disdain as neo-nazis. 

7/21/18 1:41 PM
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Democratic socialism flailing in the age of Trump.

There, I fixed it.

7/21/18 1:45 PM
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VTCO -

People need to stop using Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's win as some sort of insurgency.

 

There was less than 12% voter turnout. Under 30,000 people voted in the primary and she won by around 4,000 votes.

 

That is not indicative of the start of some major revolution.

 

This is why she had a Twitter meltdown at Crowley still being on the ticket this November under the WFP. Because she knows that her "massive upset win" was largely due to voter apathy rather than the strength of her political views.

She is being pushed out into the public as part of the future of the party.

7/21/18 1:45 PM
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VTCO - 

People need to stop using Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's win as some sort of insurgency.

 

There was less than 12% voter turnout. Under 30,000 people voted in the primary and she won by around 4,000 votes.

 

That is not indicative of the start of some major revolution.

 

This is why she had a Twitter meltdown at Crowley still being on the ticket this November under the WFP. Because she knows that her "massive upset win" was largely due to voter apathy rather than the strength of her political views.


Her win doesn't suggest much in and of itself but the response from other Democrats and their supporters does. The extremists within the party are becoming emboldened to promote their views openly and there appears to be a slow build of support for what used to be taboo policy proposals.

Just look at the rhetoric coming from Obama, Perez and Ellison lately. It marks a sharp turn left from party leadership which will filter down and encourage others to campaign on these issues.
7/21/18 1:54 PM
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androb,

I think it goes beyond Canada (eg, free college tuition) but you could certainly make the case that Trudeau's handling of the refugee crisis and the Century Initiative are effectively an open borders policy.

I'm really looking forward to the next federal election in Canada. With AMLO winning in Mexico and now this trend in the US, I fully expect the NDP and maybe Liberals to move way left economically with their election platforms.
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TheMMAn -
VTCO -

People need to stop using Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's win as some sort of insurgency.

 

There was less than 12% voter turnout. Under 30,000 people voted in the primary and she won by around 4,000 votes.

 

That is not indicative of the start of some major revolution.

 

This is why she had a Twitter meltdown at Crowley still being on the ticket this November under the WFP. Because she knows that her "massive upset win" was largely due to voter apathy rather than the strength of her political views.

She is being pushed out into the public as part of the future of the party.

Yeah, and it's a retarded idea when you look at the actual data behind her win.


Again, someone who won a district primary with less than 20,000 votes and she has proven herself to be a complete retard (disastrous PBS interview, ignorance of NY election laws, etc.) If all it takes is less than 20,000 votes to become the face of the party, your part is a fucking disaster.

 

She's the Sarah Palin of the far-left.

7/21/18 2:07 PM
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Also anyone watch that Bernie Sanders "CEOs vs Workers" town hall a few days ago?

I had to stop 10 minutes in when one of the workers brought up how she has to buy generic brand groceries as an example of being oppressed.

 

7/21/18 2:13 PM
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Democratic socialism rising in the age of Trump

The Associated Press Steve Peoples

Last Updated July 21, 2018 11:00 AM EDT

 

PORTLAND, Maine — A week ago, Maine Democrat Zak Ringelstein wasn’t quite ready to consider himself a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, even if he appreciated the organization’s values and endorsement in his bid to become a U.S. senator.

Three days later, he told The Associated Press it was time to join up. He’s now the only major-party Senate candidate in the nation to be a dues-paying democratic socialist.

Ringelstein’s leap is the latest evidence of a nationwide surge in the strength and popularity of an organization that, until recently, operated on the fringes of the liberal movement’s farthest left flank. As Donald Trump’s presidency stretches into its second year, democratic socialism has become a significant force in Democratic politics. Its rise comes as Democrats debate whether moving too far left will turn off voters.

“I stand with the democratic socialists, and I have decided to become a dues-paying member,” Ringelstein told AP. “It’s time to do what’s right, even if it’s not easy.”

 

There are 42 people running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan.

The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Congress’ only self-identified democratic socialist, campaigned Friday with the movement’s newest star, New York City congressional candidate Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old former bartender who defeated one of the most powerful House Democrats last month.

Her victory fed a flame that was already beginning to burn brighter. The DSA’s paid membership has hovered around 6,000 in the years before Trump’s election, said Allie Cohn, a member of the group’s national political team.

Last week, its paid membership hit 45,000 nationwide.

 

There is little distinction made between the terms “democratic socialism” and “socialism” in the group’s literature. While Ringelstein and other DSA-backed candidates promote a “big-tent” philosophy, the group’s constitution describes its members as socialists who “reject an economic order based on private profit” and “share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

Members during public meetings often refer to each other “comrades,” wear clothing featuring socialist symbols like the rose and promote authors such as Karl Marx.

 

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/democratic-socialism-surging-in-the-age-of-trump

 

Besides the free college tuition it sounds  like Canada 

universal healthcare for all

$15 min wage

no ice. 

I definately don’t consider myself a socialist 

Are you stupid?

 

canada has deportation agents 

That is the equivalent of ICE

The fuck is wrong with you

7/21/18 2:17 PM
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VTCO -

Also anyone watch that Bernie Sanders "CEOs vs Workers" town hall a few days ago?

I had to stop 10 minutes in when one of the workers brought up how she has to buy generic brand groceries as an example of being oppressed.

 

I just watched the first few minutes.  They lay it on pretty thick. 

 

7/21/18 2:21 PM
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There's no way that fat chick eats one meal a day.
7/21/18 2:23 PM
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as a Democrat, this is not how we beat Trump

 

smh i hope we don't fuck this up

7/21/18 2:45 PM
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VTCO - 

People need to stop using Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's win as some sort of insurgency.

 

There was less than 12% voter turnout. Under 30,000 people voted in the primary and she won by around 4,000 votes.

 

That is not indicative of the start of some major revolution.

 

This is why she had a Twitter meltdown at Crowley still being on the ticket this November under the WFP. Because she knows that her "massive upset win" was largely due to voter apathy rather than the strength of her political views.


latinos have really low civic participation so its a preview of how future national elections will look. Really low voter turnout, but the candidate promising the most gibs wins.
7/21/18 2:47 PM
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as a Democrat, this is not how we beat Trump

 

smh i hope we don't fuck this up


probably not how you beat trump, but it is how you will win national elections in the post-white future america.
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CavemanDave -

Just to be up front, I dont recognize the difference between vangaurd socialism and democratic socialism.

 

They are just slightly different methods to achieve the same authoritarian state, dropping with human suffering.

 

They should be treated socially as the enemy of the west. 

 

Fuck these people.  I mean that with all my heart. 

 

If you like them, fuck you.  Fuck off.  You're an authoritarian cunt, and I dont appreciate your existence.

 

 

And that should be every sane persons response.  They should be viewed with the exact same disdain as neo-nazis. 

Wrong Caveman. Democratic Socialism is just making people pay for some things with tax money that are paid for privately now. Like prisons, health care and college.  Not anything more. The rest of the things are exactly the same. 

Prisons being for profit is a sickening thing. It’s people making a fortune on another man’s despair.  It’s bullshit that rewards locking men up. The govt should handle that and do everything possible before locking people up.  We have the most prisoners of any industrialized country by far. Far more than Russia does. Or China.  It’s sickening.  

Free college?  There is a bill that says that a ten dollar tax on every hundred thousand dollars in trades would more than pay for free college for any American child that qualifies by grades. That’s a good thing believe it or not.  It doesn’t affect the universities. They will still get paid. Just a good thing all around.  

Universal health care? Please. We are the only idiots that allow the insurance companies to make our health policies. Single payer.  Period.  

 

Thats all. Nothing else. And the country changes for the better.   There ya go. 

7/21/18 3:02 PM
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as a Democrat, this is not how we beat Trump

 

smh i hope we don't fuck this up


probably not how you beat trump, but it is how you will win national elections in the post-white future america.

i hope you are right

 

seems like this is like the TEA party movement the republicans 

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CavemanDave -

Just to be up front, I dont recognize the difference between vangaurd socialism and democratic socialism.

 

They are just slightly different methods to achieve the same authoritarian state, dropping with human suffering.

 

They should be treated socially as the enemy of the west. 

 

Fuck these people.  I mean that with all my heart. 

 

If you like them, fuck you.  Fuck off.  You're an authoritarian cunt, and I dont appreciate your existence.

 

 

And that should be every sane persons response.  They should be viewed with the exact same disdain as neo-nazis. 

Wrong Caveman. Democratic Socialism is just making people pay for some things with tax money that are paid for privately now. Like prisons, health care and college.  Not anything more. The rest of the things are exactly the same. 

Prisons being for profit is a sickening thing. It’s people making a fortune on another man’s despair.  It’s bullshit that rewards locking men up. The govt should handle that and do everything possible before locking people up.  We have the most prisoners of any industrialized country by far. Far more than Russia does. Or China.  It’s sickening.  

Free college?  There is a bill that says that a ten dollar tax on every hundred thousand dollars in trades would more than pay for free college for any American child that qualifies by grades. That’s a good thing believe it or not.  It doesn’t affect the universities. They will still get paid. Just a good thing all around.  

Universal health care? Please. We are the only idiots that allow the insurance companies to make our health policies. Single payer.  Period.  

 

Thats all. Nothing else. And the country changes for the better.   There ya go. 

wrong

socialism removes private ownership. so "workers" share all profit.

the democratic thing just means people vote for government

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