PoliticalGround Democratic socialism rising in the age of Trump

7/21/18 3:39 PM
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7/21/18 3:52 PM
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CavemanDave -

Just to be up front, I dont recognize the difference between vangaurd socialism and democratic socialism.

 

They are just slightly different methods to achieve the same authoritarian state, dropping with human suffering.

 

They should be treated socially as the enemy of the west. 

 

Fuck these people.  I mean that with all my heart. 

 

If you like them, fuck you.  Fuck off.  You're an authoritarian cunt, and I dont appreciate your existence.

 

 

And that should be every sane persons response.  They should be viewed with the exact same disdain as neo-nazis. 

Wrong Caveman. Democratic Socialism is just making people pay for some things with tax money that are paid for privately now. Like prisons, health care and college.  Not anything more. The rest of the things are exactly the same. 

Prisons being for profit is a sickening thing. It’s people making a fortune on another man’s despair.  It’s bullshit that rewards locking men up. The govt should handle that and do everything possible before locking people up.  We have the most prisoners of any industrialized country by far. Far more than Russia does. Or China.  It’s sickening.  

Free college?  There is a bill that says that a ten dollar tax on every hundred thousand dollars in trades would more than pay for free college for any American child that qualifies by grades. That’s a good thing believe it or not.  It doesn’t affect the universities. They will still get paid. Just a good thing all around.  

Universal health care? Please. We are the only idiots that allow the insurance companies to make our health policies. Single payer.  Period.  

 

Thats all. Nothing else. And the country changes for the better.   There ya go. 

That's all, nothing else.  Sure. 

 

And the alt right just wants a reasonable white culture here in the west...they aren't really nazis just like the democratic socialist arent really socialists.

 

Fuck off.  

7/21/18 3:54 PM
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This is good for Trump 2020 MAGAA

Hopefully the left keeps fringing, we will see how that goes for them.

7/21/18 4:06 PM
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CMFanforlife -
CavemanDave -

Just to be up front, I dont recognize the difference between vangaurd socialism and democratic socialism.

 

They are just slightly different methods to achieve the same authoritarian state, dropping with human suffering.

 

They should be treated socially as the enemy of the west. 

 

Fuck these people.  I mean that with all my heart. 

 

If you like them, fuck you.  Fuck off.  You're an authoritarian cunt, and I dont appreciate your existence.

 

 

And that should be every sane persons response.  They should be viewed with the exact same disdain as neo-nazis. 

Wrong Caveman. Democratic Socialism is just making people pay for some things with tax money that are paid for privately now. Like prisons, health care and college.  Not anything more. The rest of the things are exactly the same. 

Prisons being for profit is a sickening thing. It’s people making a fortune on another man’s despair.  It’s bullshit that rewards locking men up. The govt should handle that and do everything possible before locking people up.  We have the most prisoners of any industrialized country by far. Far more than Russia does. Or China.  It’s sickening.  

Free college?  There is a bill that says that a ten dollar tax on every hundred thousand dollars in trades would more than pay for free college for any American child that qualifies by grades. That’s a good thing believe it or not.  It doesn’t affect the universities. They will still get paid. Just a good thing all around.  

Universal health care? Please. We are the only idiots that allow the insurance companies to make our health policies. Single payer.  Period.  

 

Thats all. Nothing else. And the country changes for the better.   There ya go. 

u forgot UBI

 

i remember when i was twelve and thought i could easily fix all the world's problems.  this is disgusting.  this is how to fix it. period. lmaooooooooooo

7/21/18 4:14 PM
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Democratic socialism rising in the age of Trump

The Associated Press Steve Peoples

Last Updated July 21, 2018 11:00 AM EDT

 

PORTLAND, Maine — A week ago, Maine Democrat Zak Ringelstein wasn’t quite ready to consider himself a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, even if he appreciated the organization’s values and endorsement in his bid to become a U.S. senator.

Three days later, he told The Associated Press it was time to join up. He’s now the only major-party Senate candidate in the nation to be a dues-paying democratic socialist.

Ringelstein’s leap is the latest evidence of a nationwide surge in the strength and popularity of an organization that, until recently, operated on the fringes of the liberal movement’s farthest left flank. As Donald Trump’s presidency stretches into its second year, democratic socialism has become a significant force in Democratic politics. Its rise comes as Democrats debate whether moving too far left will turn off voters.

“I stand with the democratic socialists, and I have decided to become a dues-paying member,” Ringelstein told AP. “It’s time to do what’s right, even if it’s not easy.”

 

There are 42 people running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan.

The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Congress’ only self-identified democratic socialist, campaigned Friday with the movement’s newest star, New York City congressional candidate Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old former bartender who defeated one of the most powerful House Democrats last month.

Her victory fed a flame that was already beginning to burn brighter. The DSA’s paid membership has hovered around 6,000 in the years before Trump’s election, said Allie Cohn, a member of the group’s national political team.

Last week, its paid membership hit 45,000 nationwide.

 

There is little distinction made between the terms “democratic socialism” and “socialism” in the group’s literature. While Ringelstein and other DSA-backed candidates promote a “big-tent” philosophy, the group’s constitution describes its members as socialists who “reject an economic order based on private profit” and “share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

Members during public meetings often refer to each other “comrades,” wear clothing featuring socialist symbols like the rose and promote authors such as Karl Marx.

 

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/democratic-socialism-surging-in-the-age-of-trump

 

Besides the free college tuition it sounds  like Canada 

universal healthcare for all

$15 min wage

no ice. 

I definately don’t consider myself a socialist 

No ice and $15/hr is a recipe for disaster.

 

As for free college, it really depends on what you mean by college and what you mean by free.

 

For many, community college is just a chance to either keep highschool going or get themselves to what used to be a high school level of education. There is no merit based admission, literally anyone can register. There is little merit based financial aid for the people that could benefit most and have worked the hardest, just nonsensical quota filling and attempted social engineering.

Should we, you and I, subsidise that?

 

7/21/18 4:18 PM
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TheMMAn -
VTCO -

People need to stop using Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's win as some sort of insurgency.

 

There was less than 12% voter turnout. Under 30,000 people voted in the primary and she won by around 4,000 votes.

 

That is not indicative of the start of some major revolution.

 

This is why she had a Twitter meltdown at Crowley still being on the ticket this November under the WFP. Because she knows that her "massive upset win" was largely due to voter apathy rather than the strength of her political views.

She is being pushed out into the public as part of the future of the party.

I can only imagine how easily manipulated she would be.

 

She's got them hungry eyes, like Huma.

7/21/18 4:22 PM
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$15 min wage?

that sounds awfully different in NYC vs Stubbville Kansas

7/21/18 4:24 PM
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TheMMAn -
VTCO -

People need to stop using Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's win as some sort of insurgency.

 

There was less than 12% voter turnout. Under 30,000 people voted in the primary and she won by around 4,000 votes.

 

That is not indicative of the start of some major revolution.

 

This is why she had a Twitter meltdown at Crowley still being on the ticket this November under the WFP. Because she knows that her "massive upset win" was largely due to voter apathy rather than the strength of her political views.

She is being pushed out into the public as part of the future of the party.

Saw that Schlampe on the news when I walked into a coffee shop today. 

7/21/18 4:57 PM
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It’s true. There’s no convincing a redneck. You just have to outnumber them.  So true. 

 Fuck off assholes. 

7/21/18 5:25 PM
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CMFanforlife -

It’s true. There’s no convincing a redneck. You just have to outnumber them.  So true. 

 Fuck off assholes. 

I haven't seen anything on this thread where you're having a discussion to try and convince anyone. You just stated demands as facts even though they don't appear well thought out. Maybe take a course in argumentative writing, or persuasive communication. 

 

You just said you can't convince the other side, but have to out number them. Is that why the left creeps towards allowing illegals to vote? Otherwise the left can't expect to out numbering the right with all the abortion-pride going on

7/21/18 5:29 PM
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CMFanforlife -

It’s true. There’s no convincing a redneck. You just have to outnumber them.  So true. 

 Fuck off assholes. 

How are you gonna figure this out homie

 

 

universal healthcare for all (paid for by taxpayer) and open borders (who generally don’t pay or pay very little tax)

 

Also 15 dollar minimum wage with open borders (illegals that work for 7dollars per hour under the table)

 

what kind of mathematics do you use to figure out this bs

7/21/18 5:46 PM
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Seems like a lot of people want pretend like democratic socialists are social democrats.
Democratic Socialists are basically commies with patience,ie they want to vote in socialism instead of a violent revolution.


7/21/18 6:09 PM
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Libtards hate America, Americans, happiness, and liberty.

They are useless cancer and need to be treated as such.
7/21/18 6:20 PM
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rekt -

as a Democrat, this is not how we beat Trump

 

smh i hope we don't fuck this up

Don't worry, the repubs are excellent at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  They still have too many old white guys who think it's 1955, and I guarantee we will see some very poor decisions in campaigning by some of them.

7/21/18 6:28 PM
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as a Democrat, this is not how we beat Trump

 

smh i hope we don't fuck this up


probably not how you beat trump, but it is how you will win national elections in the post-white future america.

i hope you are right

 

seems like this is like the TEA party movement the republicans 

Lmao. “I hope you are right”

 

Ever been to Venezuela? 

7/21/18 7:20 PM
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CMFanforlife -

It’s true. There’s no convincing a redneck. You just have to outnumber them.  So true. 

 Fuck off assholes. 

Fuck yourself and all your commie antifa brethren.

  Fuck you right in your pink authoritarian butthole

Go play in traffic.

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A survey was released that stated the number one factor for millenials idea of "The American Dream" is to be debt free.  For Gen X it was home ownership and Boomers of course was happy retirement.

It seems as if the largest workforce and potential voting demographic with an unprecedented amount of information and global reach may not want to (1) pay for previous generations credit debt, which is inevitable.  And (2) not have to go into a lifetime of debt t for services that are subsidized in the rest of the modern world.

7/21/18 8:20 PM
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Fortunately Trump has beat out the stupid out of some republicans or discouraged some of them to make them quit. So I don’t see the republicans snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as much as what we saw in 2012.

7/21/18 8:35 PM
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Lancifer -

Time to reanimate McCarthy.

Amen. I actually empathize with communist concerns of the 50's

7/21/18 9:04 PM
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Stache -

LOL

 

Lmao.. She’s a retard.

7/21/18 9:18 PM
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flip this seat red? doesnt she mean blue?
7/21/18 11:02 PM
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fubar_ - Seems like a lot of people want pretend like democratic socialists are social democrats.
Democratic Socialists are basically commies with patience,ie they want to vote in socialism instead of a violent revolution.


I'm a dues paying DSA member. If people vote for something shouldn't they get it?

 

At a recent meeting of my local chapter we held a vote on our electoral endorsement policy. There were a few people who felt like we should not endorse candidates for positions in the "bourgeois capitalist state." Their motions to that effect we're sounds defeated, like 55-3. I was pleased by that, since I refuse to take part in any organization that is authoritarian. I would have quit if the vote had gone in a "revolutionary Socialist" direction. The Democratic is equal in my eyes with the Socialist. I'd argue, in fact, that Socialism that is not Democratic is not worth the name. 

 

That means that if we don't win support of the populace we don't get to rule. If we don't retain support we leave government. That's key to my understanding of the whole project.

 

Anyone who thinks I'm an authoritarian can meet me in the parking lot of the Dairy Queen. (So I can buy you an ice cream and talk to you about syndicalism. Duh, what did you think I meant?)

7/21/18 11:16 PM
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^ The Nazis were democratically elected as well. That's not much of a justification for the authoritarian and murderous policies that followed.
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Democratic socialism rising in the age of Trump

The Associated Press Steve Peoples

Last Updated July 21, 2018 11:00 AM EDT

 

PORTLAND, Maine — A week ago, Maine Democrat Zak Ringelstein wasn’t quite ready to consider himself a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, even if he appreciated the organization’s values and endorsement in his bid to become a U.S. senator.

Three days later, he told The Associated Press it was time to join up. He’s now the only major-party Senate candidate in the nation to be a dues-paying democratic socialist.

Ringelstein’s leap is the latest evidence of a nationwide surge in the strength and popularity of an organization that, until recently, operated on the fringes of the liberal movement’s farthest left flank. As Donald Trump’s presidency stretches into its second year, democratic socialism has become a significant force in Democratic politics. Its rise comes as Democrats debate whether moving too far left will turn off voters.

“I stand with the democratic socialists, and I have decided to become a dues-paying member,” Ringelstein told AP. “It’s time to do what’s right, even if it’s not easy.”

 

There are 42 people running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan.

The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Congress’ only self-identified democratic socialist, campaigned Friday with the movement’s newest star, New York City congressional candidate Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old former bartender who defeated one of the most powerful House Democrats last month.

Her victory fed a flame that was already beginning to burn brighter. The DSA’s paid membership has hovered around 6,000 in the years before Trump’s election, said Allie Cohn, a member of the group’s national political team.

Last week, its paid membership hit 45,000 nationwide.

 

There is little distinction made between the terms “democratic socialism” and “socialism” in the group’s literature. While Ringelstein and other DSA-backed candidates promote a “big-tent” philosophy, the group’s constitution describes its members as socialists who “reject an economic order based on private profit” and “share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

Members during public meetings often refer to each other “comrades,” wear clothing featuring socialist symbols like the rose and promote authors such as Karl Marx.

 

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/democratic-socialism-surging-in-the-age-of-trump

 

Besides the free college tuition it sounds  like Canada 

universal healthcare for all

$15 min wage

no ice. 

I definately don’t consider myself a socialist 

Are you stupid?

 

canada has deportation agents 

That is the equivalent of ICE

The fuck is wrong with you

I used to work along side those agents a while back.  There were many, many times we were forced to release illegals on their own recognizance even though they had no ID and we had no idea who they were.  Do you really think that they showed up to court?

7/22/18 1:06 AM
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