PoliticalGround Official Zimmerman/Trayvon trial thread...

7/25/13 3:20 PM
4/25/08
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This case was about exploiting the death of a young man to have a pointless national debate about an issue that had nothing to do with the case.
7/25/13 4:06 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 48059
Wovito - This case was about exploiting the death of a young man to have a pointless national debate about an issue that had nothing to do with the case.
It was more about the money to be made from the death of trayvon Martin.

His mother hired a personal injury lawyer with a history of suing the Stanford PD. She also retained a PR team.

Why do you need a PR team in a case like this?

Unless you need a PR team to pitch a cooked up story about a innocent child getting gunned down by a racist white man, replete with kindergarten pics and scrubbed online persona.

Also consider the trademarking of his name, likeness and slogans. The establishing of a contribution website to help pay for legal expenses and living costs. The trash cans of money that was being collected at churches on their speaking tours.

The $2 million settlement from the HOA.

And so on.

Mark Phone Post 3.0
7/26/13 8:16 AM
8/12/03
Posts: 8739
juror B29 is ready to make some money.

"George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God," she said. "And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with."
7/26/13 8:25 AM
12/11/11
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EatonBeever - 

This is a GREAT video


Great video, VU.
7/26/13 8:51 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 9991
reelfoot - juror B29 is ready to make some money.

"George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God," she said. "And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with."

Why were we told that there were no black people on the jury? Talk about twisting the truth. Zimmerman is a white hispanic but this woman is just hispanic and in fact is not black!?!?!?

So she was the nut who voted for 2nd degree murder on the first ballot.

Her vote was purely race based and even she finally admits that the prosecution didn't (couldn't ) prove their case.
7/26/13 8:53 AM
1/1/01
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White hispanic IMO

7/26/13 9:08 AM
1/1/01
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reelfoot - juror B29 is ready to make some money.

"George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God," she said. "And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with."

So she voted for the murder charge, then voted against it... and admits the prosecution didn't have enough evidence... so she essentially tried to vote an innocent man to be guilty of murder.
7/26/13 9:11 AM
6/29/06
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scuffler - 

White hispanic IMO


Oh so what she's saying is that despite her personal bias, she couldn't crucify the man based on facts. Thanks goodness for facts and the rule of law.
7/26/13 9:37 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 48066
Jesus Christ...

"I wanted him to be guilty, but I couldn't convince the others because facts and the law got in the way"

Mark Phone Post 3.0
7/26/13 9:39 AM
3/14/04
Posts: 102105
Mark1 - Jesus Christ...

"I wanted him to be guilty, but I couldn't convince the others because facts and the law got in the way"

Mark Phone Post 3.0

She sounds like an OGer.

"Yeah, I know the facts say he's not guilty but to me, he's still guilty!!"

7/26/13 9:43 AM
11/25/09
Posts: 291
I find that many people struggle with the fact that Zimmerman killed someone and wasn't punished for it. Why can't people understand that there are times where it is legal to kill a person? Personal politics aside, our society has shown many, many times that taking another person's life is acceptable. Why is this case any different?
7/26/13 11:41 AM
1/1/01
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EatonBeever - 

This is a GREAT video


He didn't deserve to be shot, but the next time someone says he was just a kid getting Ice Tea and Skittles.


BTW, DXM is a lower strength of the same

http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/dextromethorphan.html

Dextromethorphan is a drug that may be primarily abused by teens, since it is available to them. They may refer to this drug or its use by using these terms: Dex, DXM, Robo, Skittles, Triple-C, Tussin, Robo-ing, Robo-tripping, and Skittling, among others. A 2008 survey showed that one in ten American teens has tried this drug. It may be consumed in pill or liquid form, or added to a soft drink such as Mountain Dew, adding colored candies such as Skittles, which is why abusing this drug may be referred to as "Skittling."
7/26/13 12:26 PM
12/5/08
Posts: 39
That juror is a great example of why most good lawyers will tell you to avoid going to trial in front of a jury if there is anyway possible -- jurors can be positively ignorant and unpredictable, no matter how well a case is presented and the law is explained. It's why people who maintain innocence are willing to plead no contest to reduced criminal charges instead of fighting for an acquittal in front of a jury. It's why people settle civil suits even when they fully believe that they are in the right.

Our system is the best in the world -- but anyone who has served on a jury can likely tell you stories of empty headed ignoramuses voting for ridiculous outcomes.
7/26/13 12:39 PM
4/19/04
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Johnny D - 
EatonBeever - 

This is a GREAT video


Great video, VU.

Great vid.
7/26/13 12:50 PM
3/14/04
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Kierkegaard - That juror is a great example of why most good lawyers will tell you to avoid going to trial in front of a jury if there is anyway possible -- jurors can be positively ignorant and unpredictable, no matter how well a case is presented and the law is explained. It's why people who maintain innocence are willing to plead no contest to reduced criminal charges instead of fighting for an acquittal in front of a jury. It's why people settle civil suits even when they fully believe that they are in the right.

Our system is the best in the world -- but anyone who has served on a jury can likely tell you stories of empty headed ignoramuses voting for ridiculous outcomes.

Juries are generally a representation of or society, most of which is made up of empty headed ignoramuses.  

This jury is a perfect example.  They knew he wasn't guilty but wanted so badly for him to have done something wrong just so they would have someone to blame.  

7/26/13 1:23 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 73752

Why does she keep saying "as the law was read to me?"  She couldn't read it herself?  

I wonder if she ever considered how she would feel about the case if Trayvon had knocked Zimmerman out and put him in a coma or killed him.  

Edited: 7/26/13 1:54 PM
10/8/07
Posts: 14592

What a stupid bitch. Thank god there was a few people with functioning brains in that room.

Even after having all of the facts and evidence laid out for her and acquitting the man of murder, she has the nerve to basically call him a murderer on national television.

Edited: 7/26/13 2:02 PM
10/8/07
Posts: 14594

And what good is it to say this shit after a trial? I was for Zimmerman not guilty the whole way, but for the Martin family, I wonder how that feels for them. To know that one of the jurors who ACQUITTED George Zimmerman thinks he's a murderer and didn't have the courage to stick by her decision. Damn those silly facts and evidence. How can you brag about trying to force a hung jury?

And then she has to balls to say that she feels the same pain as Trayvon's mother.

Florida. That's all that has to be said.

7/26/13 2:05 PM
10/8/07
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7/26/13 4:42 PM
10/27/05
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The whole "lean" argument is very weak to me and just seems an odd angle on the case.

Is it possible that he was planning on using the Arizona Watermelon and skittles with robo to make non narcotic lean?

Sure, it's also quite possible he bought a watermelon drink and candy to simply consume.

Also the speculation of his liver damage is beyond flimsy, as there could have been other factors involved, but hey lets just assume he was addicted to non narco lean to the point it damaged his body.

It really adds nothing to the case other than speculation of other bad acts. The whole "maybe he had aggressive behavior due to this" is another ridiculous theory. In all honesty, it's far more likely his "thug" persona would have made him more likely to engage in a fight while being followed than the pure speculation of intensified aggressive behavior from DXM exposure.
7/26/13 5:21 PM
8/31/02
Posts: 2733
caposa - 

What a disgraceful human being.

@Thage it's possible he wanted to "simply consume" them, but come on.. put 2 and 2 together.
It is very unlikely somebody accidentally buys stuff that's accidentally ingredients to a drug he's accidentally doing, which he is he's accidentally listing on his online activities, on a raining evening while taking an accidental long ass walk to the store.
7/26/13 5:59 PM
12/5/08
Posts: 40
I'mRealRetardedSir - 
Thage - The whole "lean" argument is very weak to me and just seems an odd angle on the case.

Is it possible that he was planning on using the Arizona Watermelon and skittles with robo to make non narcotic lean?

Sure, it's also quite possible he bought a watermelon drink and candy to simply consume.

Also the speculation of his liver damage is beyond flimsy, as there could have been other factors involved, but hey lets just assume he was addicted to non narco lean to the point it damaged his body.

It really adds nothing to the case other than speculation of other bad acts. The whole "maybe he had aggressive behavior due to this" is another ridiculous theory. In all honesty, it's far more likely his "thug" persona would have made him more likely to engage in a fight while being followed than the pure speculation of intensified aggressive behavior from DXM exposure.

I totally agree. It has nothing to do with the criminal case.

However, this is such a strange instance that it seems like the court of public opinion is far more important than the ACTUAL court.

I mean, if Zimmerman hadn't already been found guilty in the court of public opinion - which holds that Trayvon was an innocent 13 year old only going to the store to buy candy - would the DOJ still be pursuing a possible civil rights case? So the angle that maybe this wasn't just candy to consume, but to combine with cough syrup to get high, becomes a little more relevant.

Exactly. This has very little at all to do with the criminal trial or what actually happened that night.

NOBODY KNOWS what actually happened that night (except Zimmerman) -- and nobody will ever know. There were no witnesses to the actual event as it all unfolded, etc.

Zimmerman has been acquitted in the criminal trial. That's over.

But the media, the push for civil rights actions, and general public sentiment still includes a huge push for this notion that Trayvon was some kind of innocent little kid who was harassed purely because he was black.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that might not be true at all. There's evidence of a rash of burglaries in this very community, where the reported suspects were described as being young black men. There's evidence that Trayvon actually had burglary tools and stolen property in his locker at school. There's evidence that he fit the description of the suspects of the neighborhood burglaries and that, in this gated community, he was not recognized. There's evidence that Trayvon was a thug and that he was interested in how to use three particular items to make a drug. There's evidence that he had consumed drugs on this occasion, and that the items he was carrying were two of the three ingredients needed to make the drugs he had sought the "recipe" for.

This isn't so much about "proving" anything -- you're absolutely right that you can "speculate" other conclusions from all of this. But that's the point -- the media, the Jackson/Sharpton contingent, the federal government push for prosecution and now maybe for civil rights suits, etc., is IGNORING all of this and painting a picture that completely ignores it all.

The point is that this evidence -- completely being ignored by the media, etc. -- at least allows for the possibility that Zimmerman was telling the truth, that Trayvon was a thug druggy criminal who looked suspicious not because he was black but because he was actually a thug druggy criminal, who Zimmerman was absolutely correct to question and who, upon being questioned, attacked and placed Zimmerman in fear of his life.

Is that what happened? NOBODY KNOWS, and nobody will ever know. But the point is that it COULD be -- and there is evidence that allows for the possibility. That's why there was no way a guilty verdict would have been proper, that's why there should not be any civil suit or civil rights investigation, and that is why the media's coverage is so reprehensible.
7/26/13 10:40 PM
6/28/13
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http://jezebel.com/racist-baby-santiago-meme-obscures-complicated-truths-926130478

7/26/13 11:38 PM
4/9/06
Posts: 124
Kierkegaard - 
I'mRealRetardedSir - 
Thage - The whole "lean" argument is very weak to me and just seems an odd angle on the case.

Is it possible that he was planning on using the Arizona Watermelon and skittles with robo to make non narcotic lean?

Sure, it's also quite possible he bought a watermelon drink and candy to simply consume.

Also the speculation of his liver damage is beyond flimsy, as there could have been other factors involved, but hey lets just assume he was addicted to non narco lean to the point it damaged his body.

It really adds nothing to the case other than speculation of other bad acts. The whole "maybe he had aggressive behavior due to this" is another ridiculous theory. In all honesty, it's far more likely his "thug" persona would have made him more likely to engage in a fight while being followed than the pure speculation of intensified aggressive behavior from DXM exposure.

I totally agree. It has nothing to do with the criminal case.

However, this is such a strange instance that it seems like the court of public opinion is far more important than the ACTUAL court.

I mean, if Zimmerman hadn't already been found guilty in the court of public opinion - which holds that Trayvon was an innocent 13 year old only going to the store to buy candy - would the DOJ still be pursuing a possible civil rights case? So the angle that maybe this wasn't just candy to consume, but to combine with cough syrup to get high, becomes a little more relevant.

Exactly. This has very little at all to do with the criminal trial or what actually happened that night.

NOBODY KNOWS what actually happened that night (except Zimmerman) -- and nobody will ever know. There were no witnesses to the actual event as it all unfolded, etc.

Zimmerman has been acquitted in the criminal trial. That's over.

But the media, the push for civil rights actions, and general public sentiment still includes a huge push for this notion that Trayvon was some kind of innocent little kid who was harassed purely because he was black.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that might not be true at all. There's evidence of a rash of burglaries in this very community, where the reported suspects were described as being young black men. There's evidence that Trayvon actually had burglary tools and stolen property in his locker at school. There's evidence that he fit the description of the suspects of the neighborhood burglaries and that, in this gated community, he was not recognized. There's evidence that Trayvon was a thug and that he was interested in how to use three particular items to make a drug. There's evidence that he had consumed drugs on this occasion, and that the items he was carrying were two of the three ingredients needed to make the drugs he had sought the "recipe" for.

This isn't so much about "proving" anything -- you're absolutely right that you can "speculate" other conclusions from all of this. But that's the point -- the media, the Jackson/Sharpton contingent, the federal government push for prosecution and now maybe for civil rights suits, etc., is IGNORING all of this and painting a picture that completely ignores it all.

The point is that this evidence -- completely being ignored by the media, etc. -- at least allows for the possibility that Zimmerman was telling the truth, that Trayvon was a thug druggy criminal who looked suspicious not because he was black but because he was actually a thug druggy criminal, who Zimmerman was absolutely correct to question and who, upon being questioned, attacked and placed Zimmerman in fear of his life.

Is that what happened? NOBODY KNOWS, and nobody will ever know. But the point is that it COULD be -- and there is evidence that allows for the possibility. That's why there was no way a guilty verdict would have been proper, that's why there should not be any civil suit or civil rights investigation, and that is why the media's coverage is so reprehensible.

I find it ironic that you state "NOBODY KNOWS what actually happened.." yet then you go and form an opinion backed with evidence.

Let's play Devil's Advocate.

What does Trayvon's drug use have to do with his shooting?
I guess Eddie Bravo, Joe Rogan should be ostracized? How about BJ Penn admitting he got into some many street fights, his parents had to send him to the mainland?

Why not look at Zimmerman's past?

"In July 2005, he was arrested for “resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted. Meanwhile, over the course of eight years, Zimmerman made at least 46 calls to the Sanford (Fla.) Police Department reporting suspicious activity involving black males."

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/18/new-trayvon-martin-evidence-10-things-you-should-know/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/28/george-zimmermans-relevant-past/

Why did he and his wife lie about their savings and had code words when discussing their finances?

Regarding the 46 calls, one poster on the page provided some of the calls he made to 911:

All 46 actual calls are listed here verbatim from the Sanford Police report:


7/26/13 11:41 PM
4/9/06
Posts: 125
continued...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/g...

Here are just a few that are NOT related to black males...in fact...most of the calls don't

Sept. 21, 2005 – 9:00 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Animals
Report: Reports a stray dog

April 27, 2005 – 12:40 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Open garage door

March 17, 2005 – 7:21 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Maintenance
Report: Pothole “that is blocking the road

Aug. 20, 2004 – 11:33 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Reports an open garage door

What sort of idiot would call 911 for the above reports?
Zimmerman appears to be unstable and didn't he accuse a police officer of being lazy when he was allowed to ride with him?


• Martin was shot at close range.

"Trayvon Martin’s autopsy report shows a single gunshot would in his left chest, and no exit wound — consistent with a close physical confrontation and supporting what Zimmerman told police of a confrontation between the two men. The bullet punctured Martin’s lung and settled in his heart. It’s not clear, however, if Trayvon Martin grabbed at Zimmerman’s gun, as he had told police. Medical examiners found a scar on one of Martin’s fingers and a small abrasion on another, but the report doesn’t indicate any finding of gunshot residue on his hands — which would likely have been present if Zimmerman fired while Martin was trying to wrestle the gun from him."

Why did Zimmerman claim Trayvon grabbed the gun? To make it seem Zimmerman was even in more danger if the weapon was wrested from him and Trayvon was on top of him?

There's no eyewitness that Trayvon was grabbing Zimmerman's head and smashing it onto the concrete. For all we know, Zimmerman could of obtained the cuts on the back of his head when Trayvon punched him in the nose and Zimmerman fell back. I don't know. Eyewitnesses claim they were wrestling on the ground. One stated Trayvon was punching Zimmerman "MMA style."

It's interesting OG has a routine number of posted street brawls and everyone laughs it up and gets excited by the fights but Zimmerman perhaps getting mounted and pounded on turns into Zimmerman having his head bashed to the concrete as the evidence doesn't prove unequivocably of Zimmermans' assertions. It appears everyone has their bias and formulate scenarios and the evidence "prove" Zimmermans' assertions.

Here's a witness contradicating Zimmerman's account:

"One witness said the fight had ended by the time the shot rang out.

A woman that police interviewed said she could not distinguish who was on top of whom, but after the gunshot one person was holding the other on the ground by pressing on his back. But her friend, who assisted in translating for the eyewitness, was “adamant” that there was no physical fighting taking place when the shot rang out. Both were taken to the police department for more questioning"

"Trayvon Martin may have been running from Zimmerman at first.

The Seminole County Sheriff’s Department’s Computer Aided Dispatch shows that Zimmerman called police to report a suspicious person, then told them the subject was running from him. The exchange between the dispatcher and Zimmerman shows that he was advised not to continue to follow Martin. One witness interviewed said she saw one of the subjects chasing the other, but could not see who was who. A recording of a female identified as Martin’s longtime friend who was on the phone with him just before the shooting said he began to run when he realized Zimmerman was following him."

Zimmerman calls to report someone running away from him. Why do we automatically believe Trayvon somehow circles back to assault Trayvon? It's not unreasonable Trayvon could of circled back to confront someone following him at night.