PoliticalGround Official Zimmerman/Trayvon trial thread...

7/26/13 11:46 PM
4/9/06
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There was a case of a 22 year-old ex-con and yes a black male who was shot in the back and killed by a police officer which is tragic. It appeared the police officer was trying to taser Oscar but instead shot him in the back. I believe the police officer went to jail for 2 years. He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.


https://www.google.com/search?q=oscar+grant+shooting&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I have no problems with the verdict in the Zimmerman case but it shows like a Rorshach's test of one's bias. I submit I have to include mine but I do not pretend or am self-deluded to claim I know what exactly happened.

I find Zimmerman to be an odd character based on his behavior.
7/26/13 11:49 PM
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Oh hi Alpha...you should have been here when the trial was on.

This is how it ended...

http://i.imgur.com/Q1ZgFav.gif
7/27/13 12:00 AM
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What a disgraceful human being.

@Thage it's possible he wanted to "simply consume" them, but come on.. put 2 and 2 together.
It is very unlikely somebody accidentally buys stuff that's accidentally ingredients to a drug he's accidentally doing, which he is he's accidentally listing on his online activities, on a raining evening while taking an accidental long ass walk to the store.

It's not uncommon to have OG members posting about taking drugs. I guess they deserve to be shot and villified? Sort of hypocritical. Trayvon use of cough syrup as somehow that equates to heroin is laughable. So what if he took cough syrup to get a high?
7/27/13 12:01 AM
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Kerouac - Oh hi Alpha...you should have been here when the trial was on.

This is how it ended...

http://i.imgur.com/Q1ZgFav.gif

Oh hi Kerouac, so a serious case gets turned into a sporting event? Sort of pitiful no?
7/27/13 12:22 AM
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Kierkegaard - 
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Thage - The whole "lean" argument is very weak to me and just seems an odd angle on the case.

Is it possible that he was planning on using the Arizona Watermelon and skittles with robo to make non narcotic lean?

Sure, it's also quite possible he bought a watermelon drink and candy to simply consume.

Also the speculation of his liver damage is beyond flimsy, as there could have been other factors involved, but hey lets just assume he was addicted to non narco lean to the point it damaged his body.

It really adds nothing to the case other than speculation of other bad acts. The whole "maybe he had aggressive behavior due to this" is another ridiculous theory. In all honesty, it's far more likely his "thug" persona would have made him more likely to engage in a fight while being followed than the pure speculation of intensified aggressive behavior from DXM exposure.

I totally agree. It has nothing to do with the criminal case.

However, this is such a strange instance that it seems like the court of public opinion is far more important than the ACTUAL court.

I mean, if Zimmerman hadn't already been found guilty in the court of public opinion - which holds that Trayvon was an innocent 13 year old only going to the store to buy candy - would the DOJ still be pursuing a possible civil rights case? So the angle that maybe this wasn't just candy to consume, but to combine with cough syrup to get high, becomes a little more relevant.

Exactly. This has very little at all to do with the criminal trial or what actually happened that night.

NOBODY KNOWS what actually happened that night (except Zimmerman) -- and nobody will ever know. There were no witnesses to the actual event as it all unfolded, etc.

Zimmerman has been acquitted in the criminal trial. That's over.

But the media, the push for civil rights actions, and general public sentiment still includes a huge push for this notion that Trayvon was some kind of innocent little kid who was harassed purely because he was black.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that might not be true at all. There's evidence of a rash of burglaries in this very community, where the reported suspects were described as being young black men. There's evidence that Trayvon actually had burglary tools and stolen property in his locker at school. There's evidence that he fit the description of the suspects of the neighborhood burglaries and that, in this gated community, he was not recognized. There's evidence that Trayvon was a thug and that he was interested in how to use three particular items to make a drug. There's evidence that he had consumed drugs on this occasion, and that the items he was carrying were two of the three ingredients needed to make the drugs he had sought the "recipe" for.

This isn't so much about "proving" anything -- you're absolutely right that you can "speculate" other conclusions from all of this. But that's the point -- the media, the Jackson/Sharpton contingent, the federal government push for prosecution and now maybe for civil rights suits, etc., is IGNORING all of this and painting a picture that completely ignores it all.

The point is that this evidence -- completely being ignored by the media, etc. -- at least allows for the possibility that Zimmerman was telling the truth, that Trayvon was a thug druggy criminal who looked suspicious not because he was black but because he was actually a thug druggy criminal, who Zimmerman was absolutely correct to question and who, upon being questioned, attacked and placed Zimmerman in fear of his life.

Is that what happened? NOBODY KNOWS, and nobody will ever know. But the point is that it COULD be -- and there is evidence that allows for the possibility. That's why there was no way a guilty verdict would have been proper, that's why there should not be any civil suit or civil rights investigation, and that is why the media's coverage is so reprehensible.

Trayvon was a thug druggy criminal? From the photo of Trayvon dead on the ground, he was wearing what many teens or even adult males would wear. He wore light colored skinny pants. How do you go from his cough syrup "use" to a thuggy druggy criminal? There was a small trace of THC in Trayvon's body.

By all accounts, he wasn't a saint and needed to get his act together.

But I agree with you that the media coverage like most media coverage of any sensational "killing" cases. The media needs an angle or narrative to make it more sensational than it should be. Race shouldn't be an issue but if you just casually look at posters on the Internet to articles of this case, race is brought up. Trayvon was a drug abusing thug gangsta rap wannabe.

So I find it odd that you deride the media yet have a rather interesting bias that matches many posters on the Internet.

I agree there should shouldn't be a civil rights investigation. The criminal case is over.
7/27/13 12:47 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uiILUUPt5VY&t=30
7/27/13 12:50 AM
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Kerouac - Oh hi Alpha...you should have been here when the trial was on.

This is how it ended...

http://i.imgur.com/Q1ZgFav.gif

Oh hi Kerouac, so a serious case gets turned into a sporting event? Sort of pitiful no?

Absolutely yes! Why it was turned into a sporting event we don't know. Well, actually, we do know. For more than a year, every channel on TV reminded the populace that a sexcrazed white-latino KKK member murdered a black child and that his trial for murder was coming up...stay tuned.

But seriously, you're either in total denial or ignorant of the facts.

7/27/13 12:50 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uiILUUPt5VY&t=30
7/27/13 12:52 AM
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I forgot who posted evidence regarding the trajectory of Zimmerman's gun shot (Scuffler?) but Zimmerman claimed this is how the scuffle occured (Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman):

In other testimony, Investigator Dale Gilbreath underwent examination by both attorneys on the evidence in the case, which seemed at times to resemble what the actual jury trial might be like. He agreed with O’Mara that Zimmerman’s injuries were consistent with trauma to the back of his head. But the claims that Trayvon attacked him, and provoked a self-defensive response, do not fall in line with prosecutors’ findings.

“He said his head was bashed and he managed to scoot away… and that’s when the shooting subsequently started,” Gilbreath said. “That is not consistent with the evidence we found.”

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/20/zimmerman-addresses-trayvon-martins-parents-at-hearing-i-am-sorry/

It's an article from last year.
7/27/13 1:11 AM
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Kerouac - 
Alphabeta - 
Kerouac - Oh hi Alpha...you should have been here when the trial was on.

This is how it ended...

http://i.imgur.com/Q1ZgFav.gif

Oh hi Kerouac, so a serious case gets turned into a sporting event? Sort of pitiful no?

Absolutely yes! Why it was turned into a sporting event we don't know. Well, actually, we do know. For more than a year, every channel on TV reminded the populace that a sexcrazed white-latino KKK member murdered a black child and that his trial for murder was coming up...stay tuned.

But seriously, you're either in total denial or ignorant of the facts.


What are the facts? You haven't presented any facts. You know evidence instead of conjecture?

Try to get a grip on yourself. You're behaving like a petulant child. Your childish attempt with that animated gif speaks more about you than me. But you claim you're all innocent now?

The media is not to blame. The populace wants this on both sides. That's why you have paid avid attention to it. I haven't. I have said, and maybe you have trouble managing your emotions, but I have posted that I do not know what occurred. I suppose if I make any comment that can be construed I'm a Trayvon supporter, I must be vehemently attacked. Try taking a look into the mirror for a second.

7/27/13 1:18 AM
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lol
7/27/13 3:03 AM
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scuffler -

White hispanic IMO

Slate.com has found that this interview was substantially edited, to the point of changing the meaning of what the juror actually said.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/did_george_zimmerman_get_away_with_murder_no_juror_b29_is_being_framed.html Phone Post
7/27/13 4:37 AM
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“ One witness interviewed said she saw one of the subjects chasing the other, but could not see who was who. "

I wonder why the prosecution didn't have that witness testify. Phone Post
7/27/13 5:38 AM
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What a disgraceful human being.

@Thage it's possible he wanted to "simply consume" them, but come on.. put 2 and 2 together.
It is very unlikely somebody accidentally buys stuff that's accidentally ingredients to a drug he's accidentally doing, which he is he's accidentally listing on his online activities, on a raining evening while taking an accidental long ass walk to the store.

It's not uncommon to have OG members posting about taking drugs. I guess they deserve to be shot and villified? Sort of hypocritical. Trayvon use of cough syrup as somehow that equates to heroin is laughable. So what if he took cough syrup to get a high?

Nobody said any of that.

You're making ridiculous logic leaps.

The part you quoted was merely an explanation on what we think Trayvon was doing that night, nothing else.


That you try to make it (jump) into a "Oh, I guess that means he needs to get shot?" is just distorting what the other side is saying. Don't do that.
7/27/13 12:31 PM
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DID ABC NEWS DECEPTIVELY EDIT ZIMMERMAN JUROR'S CONTROVERSIAL INTERVIEW? AN UNLIKELY SOURCE IS CALLING THEM OUT

ABC News is being accused of deceptively editing, or at least misrepresenting (intentionally or not), some of the comments made by Juror B29, the lone "nonwhite" juror in the George Zimmerman murder trial. Further, the media as a whole are being accused of manipulating some of her statements.

These allegations come not from a conservative news source, but rather from Slate.com.

The key phrase latched onto by most media outlets, due to its sensational nature, was "George Zimmerman got away with murder" -- words that were, in fact, said by Juror B29. But the full unedited video of the comment, in context, tells a different story, claims Slate's William Saletan.



Here's his case (emphasis added):

ABC News hasn't posted a full unedited video or transcript of the interview. The video that has been broadcast--on World News Tonight, Nightline, and Good Morning America--has been cut and spliced in different ways, often so artfully that the transitions appear continuous. So beware what you're seeing. But the video that's available already shows, on closer inspection, that Maddy has been manipulated and misrepresented. Here are the key points.


The phrase "got away with murder" was put in her mouth. Nightline shows ABC interviewer Robin Roberts asking Maddy: "Some people have said, 'George Zimmerman got away with murder. How do you respond to those people who say that?' " Maddy appears to reply promptly and confidently: "George Zimmerman got away with murder. But you can't get away from God." But that's not quite how the exchange happened. In the unedited video, Roberts' question is longer, with words that have been trimmed from the Nightline version, and Maddy pauses twice, for several seconds, as she struggles to answer it. "... George Zimmerman ... That's--George Zimmerman got away with murder. But you can't get away from God."

You have to watch her, not just read her words, to pick up her meaning. As she struggles to answer, she looks as though she's trying to reconcile the sentiment that's been quoted to her--that Zimmerman "got away with murder"--with her own perspective. So she repeats the quote and adds words of her own, to convey what she thinks: that there's a justice higher than the law, which Zimmerman will have to face. She thinks he's morally culpable, not legally guilty.


Anti-Zimmerman media personalities, like Al Sharpton and essentially anyone else at MSNBC, have pointed to the interview as proof that Zimmerman actually got away with murder -- even the juror is admitting it! One MSNBC guest even personally attacked the juror, yelling "shame on you!" while reacting to the ABC interview.

Saletan goes on to note a number of other key portions of Juror B29?s much-talked about sit-down with ABC. His points include:

• She stands by the verdict: "ABC's online story about the interview ends with Maddy asking, "Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?" But that's not the whole quote. In the unedited video, she continues: "I know I went the right way, because by the law and the way it was followed is the way I went. But if I would have used my heart, I probably would have [gone for] a hung jury."

Saletan also explains that the juror making the distinction that Zimmerman was guilty of "killing" Trayvon Martin, but that's not the same thing as murder or manslaughter, which requires evidence proving it was malicious and/or intentional.

• She thinks the case should have never gone to trial: At one point, Roberts asked the juror "whether the case should have gone to trial," she replied, "I don't think so. ... I felt like this was a publicity stunt."

• Race wasn't discussed, and she didn't focus on it: "When the verdict was announced and she was released from sequestration, she was dismayed to discover the national outrage. 'I didn't know how much importance' was attached to the trial, she says, 'because I never looked at color. And I still don't look at color.'"

Saletan goes on to debate the "value of colorblindness," but correctly concludes that the juror stayed focused on the evidence in the case, not on what race and other factors meant to the general public.

Saletan makes several other interesting points on why he feels "Juror B29 is being framed." To be clear, the Slate writer does not appear to take a position defending Zimmerman or supporting the anti-Zimmerman position in his analysis.

The full, unedited video or transcript of the Juror B29 interview had yet to be released on Friday afternoon, Slate notes. Here is the most complete version available.
7/27/13 12:33 PM
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/26/did-abc-news-deceptively-edit-zimmerman-jurors-controversial-interview-an-unlikely-source-is-calling-them-out/

7/27/13 4:41 PM
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I am done with this and every other Zimmerman thread I got stalkers voting me daily.

Sadly people either accept that this was quite possibly self defense or they are blind and irrational. Phone Post 3.0
7/27/13 7:42 PM
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Jaybrone - I am done with this and every other Zimmerman thread I got stalkers voting me daily.

Sadly people either accept that this was quite possibly self defense or they are blind and irrational. Phone Post 3.0

Fuck those dorks. Speak your mind. You can't let them influence you in what you know is right.

Just do your thing.
They're the ones who'll have to align with the truth.
7/27/13 8:54 PM
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Jaybrone - I am done with this and every other Zimmerman thread I got stalkers voting me daily.

Sadly people either accept that this was quite possibly self defense or they are blind and irrational. Phone Post 3.0
You're right, but are vote downs freezing you?

You have 240 votes. I wouldn't stress Phone Post 3.0
7/27/13 9:07 PM
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Jaybrone - I am done with this and every other Zimmerman thread I got stalkers voting me daily.

Sadly people either accept that this was quite possibly self defense or they are blind and irrational. Phone Post 3.0
You're right, but are vote downs freezing you?

You have 240 votes. I wouldn't stress Phone Post 3.0
I don't believe that's how it works fren. Once you have so many VD's, regardless of how many VU's you have, you get auto froze and a mod checks you out. Phone Post 3.0
7/28/13 2:50 PM
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Barbasol -
Jaybrone - I am done with this and every other Zimmerman thread I got stalkers voting me daily.

Sadly people either accept that this was quite possibly self defense or they are blind and irrational. Phone Post 3.0
You're right, but are vote downs freezing you?

You have 240 votes. I wouldn't stress Phone Post 3.0
I don't believe that's how it works fren. Once you have so many VD's, regardless of how many VU's you have, you get auto froze and a mod checks you out. Phone Post 3.0
The mob speaks... Lynch zimmerman and silence anyone that thinks differently Phone Post 3.0
7/28/13 8:56 PM
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*lights torch and grabs pitchfork* Phone Post 3.0
7/28/13 8:58 PM
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Zimmerman TKO 1 over race baiters
7/28/13 9:20 PM
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7/29/13 1:19 AM
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Alphabeta - I forgot who posted evidence regarding the trajectory of Zimmerman's gun shot (Scuffler?) but Zimmerman claimed this is how the scuffle occured (Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman):

In other testimony, Investigator Dale Gilbreath underwent examination by both attorneys on the evidence in the case, which seemed at times to resemble what the actual jury trial might be like. He agreed with O’Mara that Zimmerman’s injuries were consistent with trauma to the back of his head. But the claims that Trayvon attacked him, and provoked a self-defensive response, do not fall in line with prosecutors’ findings.

“He said his head was bashed and he managed to scoot away… and that’s when the shooting subsequently started,” Gilbreath said. “That is not consistent with the evidence we found.”

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/20/zimmerman-addresses-trayvon-martins-parents-at-hearing-i-am-sorry/

It's an article from last year.
"Article from last year."

Yet you had medical examiners for the prosecution on the stand in this trial, not a deposition, who quoted/referenced Dr. Di Maio's teachings in their testimony .

And what happened when Dr Di Maio got on the stand? He basically sat the prosecution down like children and said the trajectories matched. And when the prosecution then tried to plant the seed that he might not be objective because he was paid by the prosecution, he ended their case by saying "this is not a complicated case forensically." Phone Post