PoliticalGround Tucker dropping major truth bombs re: Trump/Putin

7/20/18 9:21 AM
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kinson -


Bingo!

7/20/18 10:55 AM
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Ill Portents - Still waiting on Tucker's totally vetted and credible source's claim that the Mueller investigation is REALLY centered on Hillary and Podesta.


" Is it more productive for the US to be enemies with Putin?"


Love it when the same people say this who have previously applauded Trump's 3rd grade alpha male talk toward China, North Korea, Iran, and oh yeah our fucking ALLIES.

He’s actually met with Kim Jong-un in a friendly diplomatic manner. What more do you want? Our luke warm relationship with our allies isn’t going to cause a nuclear World War III anytime soon. 


What more do I want? I want you to tell me why it's more productive to be friends with Putin but the proper approach to Kim Jong Un is to call him Rocket Man and make dick jokes, the proper approach to China is to say they're raping the U.S. and pulled off the biggest robbery in history against us, and the proper approach to Merkel is to throw candy at her.

"Our luke warm relationship with our allies isn’t going to cause a nuclear World War III anytime soon. "

Whereas you guys have been pretending for months that saying Russia meddled in our election, or otherwise not sucking Putin's dick at every opportunity, WOULD cause a nuclear WWIII.

Notice how many TDS sufferers post these vivid gay porn fantasies involving trump

very telling 

7/20/18 11:09 AM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

7/20/18 11:24 AM
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#MAGA
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I'll be glad when we eventually get a centrist president and everyone goes back to American idol and their cell phones as being the most important thing in their lives again.

7/20/18 11:37 AM
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I don’t disagree with tucker all the time. Sometimes he says what needs to be said. 

 

But as a whole he’s a complete shitbag of a “journalist”. He’s the rights version of that douchebag who does the daily show now. 

 

And on this hes 100% wrong. Trump isn’t Putin’s puppet. But he has no business making “friends” with the biggest and most notorious gangster on the planet either. 

 

To use someone else’s words. 

 

“Bad trump”

STFU bitch. It was never a problem when all the Democrats did it. WTF is it bad to even attempt to have good relations with them? 

 

Ever heard of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer?" Dumb mother fucker.

Edited: 7/20/18 11:41 AM
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Not truth bombs, more a mix of strawman argunments and fake news lies to manipulate people who are ignorant of recent history and geopolitics.

We were forming great relationships with post-Soviet Russia.  Then Putin came along and crushed the emerging democracy movement and took over as dictator.  Since that has spent 20 years openly trying to increase Russia's power and weaken the West. Openly.

So its not that anybody who is suspicious of Trump/Putin wants war with Russia - in truth nobody does lol that is absurd - or even doesn't want good relationships with Russia.  The best US-Russia relations since WW2 were under Bill Clinton.  People are just rightly suspicious that a dictator who has spent 20 years proving he hates the US and the West is suddenly aboard the MAGA train because Trump is such a great guy.  Far more likely - based on every single thing we know about Putin - that he is trying to use Trump to weaken the West to Russia's benefit. 

But it is true Putin is not the massive threat that the hysterical people want to make him out to be.  Russia's economy sucks and their military is not that great. This hysteria is elevating Putin and playing right into his hands. Trump and cronies are just as guilty as anyone else of fanning the hysteria fires.  Everybody shoout STFU about the Mueller investigation until it is done.

7/20/18 11:41 AM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

How? What did the Russians do? How much influence did they have? So far, I've only seen something like 40k spent on FB ads and it was both for and against Trump. 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? Those ads somehow infleuenced millions of people to vote for Trump and not Hillary? LOL

7/20/18 11:47 AM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

Factually incorrect... he was seeking to destabilize and cause chaos 

7/20/18 11:47 AM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

How? What did the Russians do? How much influence did they have? So far, I've only seen something like 40k spent on FB ads and it was both for and against Trump. 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? Those ads somehow infleuenced millions of people to vote for Trump and not Hillary? LOL


Exactly... this dipshit has no clue.
7/20/18 11:50 AM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

How? What did the Russians do? How much influence did they have? So far, I've only seen something like 40k spent on FB ads and it was both for and against Trump. 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? Those ads somehow infleuenced millions of people to vote for Trump and not Hillary? LOL


The military intelligence unit of the Russians (the GRU) had an operation to steal and release emails from the DNC and Podesta in order to cast them in a negative light and influence voters.

You had a decent percentage of Bernie supporters and other Democrats stay home as a result and there is no doubt that these actions resulted in independents to vote for Trump.

If just 2 out of 100 Bernie supporters stayed home in the few states that mattered, that is the election.

Most successful intelligence operation in modern history.

7/20/18 11:58 AM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.


You have proof that Putin didnt interfere with past elections or you just talking out your ass? Seems they would have definitely preferred Obama over Romney.
7/20/18 12:03 PM
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Not truth bombs, more a mix of strawman argunments and fake news lies to manipulate people who are ignorant of recent history and geopolitics.

We were forming great relationships with post-Soviet Russia.  Then Putin came along and crushed the emerging democracy movement and took over as dictator.  Since that has spent 20 years openly trying to increase Russia's power and weaken the West. Openly.

So its not that anybody who is suspicious of Trump/Putin wants war with Russia - in truth nobody does lol that is absurd - or even doesn't want good relationships with Russia.  The best US-Russia relations since WW2 were under Bill Clinton.  People are just rightly suspicious that a dictator who has spent 20 years proving he hates the US and the West is suddenly aboard the MAGA train because Trump is such a great guy.  Far more likely - based on every single thing we know about Putin - that he is trying to use Trump to weaken the West to Russia's benefit. 

But it is true Putin is not the massive threat that the hysterical people want to make him out to be.  Russia's economy sucks and their military is not that great. This hysteria is elevating Putin and playing right into his hands. Trump and cronies are just as guilty as anyone else of fanning the hysteria fires.  Everybody shoout STFU about the Mueller investigation until it is done.

The problem is the "suspicion" of Trump/Russia is based on assertions lacking evidence to support them. The Left continues on like it's gospel and the rest of the rational thinking people are like, "wait, none of these claims have been substantiated and we're not to conduct foreign policy based on empty claims." 

 

The rest of us are living in the real world while the idiots paint their reality with politically charged and motivated claims.

7/20/18 12:10 PM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

How? What did the Russians do? How much influence did they have? So far, I've only seen something like 40k spent on FB ads and it was both for and against Trump. 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? Those ads somehow infleuenced millions of people to vote for Trump and not Hillary? LOL


The military intelligence unit of the Russians (the GRU) had an operation to steal and release emails from the DNC and Podesta in order to cast them in a negative light and influence voters.

You had a decent percentage of Bernie supporters and other Democrats stay home as a result and there is no doubt that these actions resulted in independents to vote for Trump.

If just 2 out of 100 Bernie supporters stayed home in the few states that mattered, that is the election.

Most successful intelligence operation in modern history.

How do we know this? Because Fusion GPS said so? The company hired by the DNC, made the claim? The same company that prohibited the FBI from examining the server to substantiate their claims... Numerous times? 

 

And to add to that and to further the narrative that the FBI are corrupt at the most and inept at the very least, they were completely fine with not being allowed to examine the evidence. So, we're to trust the very deeply Hillary favoring Fusion GPS; a third-party company for something with such political ramifications such as this? Not the FBI, not the CIA, not anyone else, but Fusion fucking GPS? 

 

Are you fucking retarded?

7/20/18 1:12 PM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

How? What did the Russians do? How much influence did they have? So far, I've only seen something like 40k spent on FB ads and it was both for and against Trump. 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? Those ads somehow infleuenced millions of people to vote for Trump and not Hillary? LOL


The military intelligence unit of the Russians (the GRU) had an operation to steal and release emails from the DNC and Podesta in order to cast them in a negative light and influence voters.

You had a decent percentage of Bernie supporters and other Democrats stay home as a result and there is no doubt that these actions resulted in independents to vote for Trump.

If just 2 out of 100 Bernie supporters stayed home in the few states that mattered, that is the election.

Most successful intelligence operation in modern history.

How do we know this? Because Fusion GPS said so? The company hired by the DNC, made the claim? The same company that prohibited the FBI from examining the server to substantiate their claims... Numerous times? 

 

And to add to that and to further the narrative that the FBI are corrupt at the most and inept at the very least, they were completely fine with not being allowed to examine the evidence. So, we're to trust the very deeply Hillary favoring Fusion GPS; a third-party company for something with such political ramifications such as this? Not the FBI, not the CIA, not anyone else, but Fusion fucking GPS? 

 

Are you fucking retarded?


I am beginning to believe that "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is the syndrome meant to describe Trumptards and their inability to accept reality or rather to ONLY accept what Trump tells them their reality should be.

Here is the fairly detailed indictment of 12 Russians who are part of the GRU (Military Intelligence Unit) of Russia:

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Read it.  You might learn something.

7/20/18 1:45 PM
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kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

How? What did the Russians do? How much influence did they have? So far, I've only seen something like 40k spent on FB ads and it was both for and against Trump. 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? Those ads somehow infleuenced millions of people to vote for Trump and not Hillary? LOL


The military intelligence unit of the Russians (the GRU) had an operation to steal and release emails from the DNC and Podesta in order to cast them in a negative light and influence voters.

You had a decent percentage of Bernie supporters and other Democrats stay home as a result and there is no doubt that these actions resulted in independents to vote for Trump.

If just 2 out of 100 Bernie supporters stayed home in the few states that mattered, that is the election.

Most successful intelligence operation in modern history.

So the slimy behavior of the DNC had nothing to do with it? So if your wife is fucking the mailman do you blame the guy who told on them? 

7/20/18 1:53 PM
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7/20/18 2:11 PM
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lionsoul -
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lionsoul -
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lionsoul -
UltimateKeyboardWarrior - 
kinson -


Bingo!


This is kind of dumb.

Putin didn't interfere with the American elections in order to get Bush W, Schumer, Obama, Bill or Hillary Clinton  elected into office.

He did however do so in order to get Donald Trump elected. 

Greatest intelligence operation in modern history.

How? What did the Russians do? How much influence did they have? So far, I've only seen something like 40k spent on FB ads and it was both for and against Trump. 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? Those ads somehow infleuenced millions of people to vote for Trump and not Hillary? LOL


The military intelligence unit of the Russians (the GRU) had an operation to steal and release emails from the DNC and Podesta in order to cast them in a negative light and influence voters.

You had a decent percentage of Bernie supporters and other Democrats stay home as a result and there is no doubt that these actions resulted in independents to vote for Trump.

If just 2 out of 100 Bernie supporters stayed home in the few states that mattered, that is the election.

Most successful intelligence operation in modern history.

How do we know this? Because Fusion GPS said so? The company hired by the DNC, made the claim? The same company that prohibited the FBI from examining the server to substantiate their claims... Numerous times? 

 

And to add to that and to further the narrative that the FBI are corrupt at the most and inept at the very least, they were completely fine with not being allowed to examine the evidence. So, we're to trust the very deeply Hillary favoring Fusion GPS; a third-party company for something with such political ramifications such as this? Not the FBI, not the CIA, not anyone else, but Fusion fucking GPS? 

 

Are you fucking retarded?


I am beginning to believe that "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is the syndrome meant to describe Trumptards and their inability to accept reality or rather to ONLY accept what Trump tells them their reality should be.

Here is the fairly detailed indictment of 12 Russians who are part of the GRU (Military Intelligence Unit) of Russia:

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Read it.  You might learn something.

Sorry, the entire investigation has been compromised... I'm all for a trial but that won't ever happen. Are these guys gonna show up to have their day in court? Or, are we, as you seem to be doing, now conflating guilt with being indicted and now guilty until proven innocent? This is all for optics.

 

How again are the facts not on my side? 

7/20/18 3:05 PM
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Ill Portents - Still waiting on Tucker's totally vetted and credible source's claim that the Mueller investigation is REALLY centered on Hillary and Podesta.


" Is it more productive for the US to be enemies with Putin?"


Love it when the same people say this who have previously applauded Trump's 3rd grade alpha male talk toward China, North Korea, Iran, and oh yeah our fucking ALLIES.

Is your mom pissed you never wear all the CCCP gear she got you for your birthday last year when you were trying to be an edgy Antifa supporter?

Edited: 7/20/18 4:37 PM
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Not truth bombs, more a mix of strawman argunments and fake news lies to manipulate people who are ignorant of recent history and geopolitics.

We were forming great relationships with post-Soviet Russia.  Then Putin came along and crushed the emerging democracy movement and took over as dictator.  Since that has spent 20 years openly trying to increase Russia's power and weaken the West. Openly.

So its not that anybody who is suspicious of Trump/Putin wants war with Russia - in truth nobody does lol that is absurd - or even doesn't want good relationships with Russia.  The best US-Russia relations since WW2 were under Bill Clinton.  People are just rightly suspicious that a dictator who has spent 20 years proving he hates the US and the West is suddenly aboard the MAGA train because Trump is such a great guy.  Far more likely - based on every single thing we know about Putin - that he is trying to use Trump to weaken the West to Russia's benefit. 

But it is true Putin is not the massive threat that the hysterical people want to make him out to be.  Russia's economy sucks and their military is not that great. This hysteria is elevating Putin and playing right into his hands. Trump and cronies are just as guilty as anyone else of fanning the hysteria fires.  Everybody shoout STFU about the Mueller investigation until it is done.

The problem is the "suspicion" of Trump/Russia is based on assertions lacking evidence to support them. The Left continues on like it's gospel and the rest of the rational thinking people are like, "wait, none of these claims have been substantiated and we're not to conduct foreign policy based on empty claims." 

 

The rest of us are living in the real world while the idiots paint their reality with politically charged and motivated claims.

I’d say one side of crazies the msnbc lefty crowd thinks Mueller is a hero riding to their rescue and trump is impeached any day now.

the trump & cronies & Fox New crowd is almost as bad with non-stop attacks and lies about the investigation itself (including Tucker here trying to get people to think the Mueller investigation is due to shadowy people wanting bad relations with Russia which is absurd).

reasonable people would like everyone to STFU and let the investigation play out.  

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"How is this bettering America as a nation?"

Having a good relationship with Russia icreases international stability which is good for EVERYONE. You are a fucking moron if you can't see that.

We have had good relations for the last 30 years. If you can’t see that you’re a moron. 

 

I’ll extend an olive branch. Obama making friends with Iran in the way he did was 100 times worse. 

 

But it still doesn’t make this a good move. We weren’t in a bad way with Russia. And Putin is a gangster. Not the guy you want around. It’s good to not have him on your bad side. But not who you want to your friends to see you with. 

The fact is that ‘Putin is a gangster and murderer’ are the top media and neocon talking points to perpetuate fear mongering ultimately boosting the military budget. Folllow the money. Theses people don’t profit from peace but a nation perpetually at war. 

‘we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex.’

-

Eisenhower


I don't understand your point. Trump wants to increase military spending and sell more weapons to Europe and the Middle East. Being bizarrely deferential to Putin doesn't change that.

Keeping Russia (and anyone else) our enemy sells weapons. Trump engaging in friendship and diplomecy with other nations doesn’t. 


Yes, but Trump is actively attempting to raise military spending and sell more weapons to other countries. So do you really think him being nice to Putin has anything whatsoever with cutting down on the military industrial complex? It makes no sense.
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"How is this bettering America as a nation?"

Having a good relationship with Russia icreases international stability which is good for EVERYONE. You are a fucking moron if you can't see that.

We have had good relations for the last 30 years. If you can’t see that you’re a moron. 

 

I’ll extend an olive branch. Obama making friends with Iran in the way he did was 100 times worse. 

 

But it still doesn’t make this a good move. We weren’t in a bad way with Russia. And Putin is a gangster. Not the guy you want around. It’s good to not have him on your bad side. But not who you want to your friends to see you with. 

The fact is that ‘Putin is a gangster and murderer’ are the top media and neocon talking points to perpetuate fear mongering ultimately boosting the military budget. Folllow the money. Theses people don’t profit from peace but a nation perpetually at war. 

‘we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex.’

-

Eisenhower


I don't understand your point. Trump wants to increase military spending and sell more weapons to Europe and the Middle East. Being bizarrely deferential to Putin doesn't change that.

Keeping Russia (and anyone else) our enemy sells weapons. Trump engaging in friendship and diplomecy with other nations doesn’t. 


Yes, but Trump is actively attempting to raise military spending and sell more weapons to other countries. So do you really think him being nice to Putin has anything whatsoever with cutting down on the military industrial complex? It makes no sense.

The lengths that Trumptards will go to come up with excuses for why Trump is doing what he is doing is mind boggling.

What does Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex have to do with Trump bending over for Putin?

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"How is this bettering America as a nation?"

Having a good relationship with Russia icreases international stability which is good for EVERYONE. You are a fucking moron if you can't see that.

We have had good relations for the last 30 years. If you can’t see that you’re a moron. 

 

I’ll extend an olive branch. Obama making friends with Iran in the way he did was 100 times worse. 

 

But it still doesn’t make this a good move. We weren’t in a bad way with Russia. And Putin is a gangster. Not the guy you want around. It’s good to not have him on your bad side. But not who you want to your friends to see you with. 

The fact is that ‘Putin is a gangster and murderer’ are the top media and neocon talking points to perpetuate fear mongering ultimately boosting the military budget. Folllow the money. Theses people don’t profit from peace but a nation perpetually at war. 

‘we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex.’

-

Eisenhower


I don't understand your point. Trump wants to increase military spending and sell more weapons to Europe and the Middle East. Being bizarrely deferential to Putin doesn't change that.

Keeping Russia (and anyone else) our enemy sells weapons. Trump engaging in friendship and diplomecy with other nations doesn’t. 


Yes, but Trump is actively attempting to raise military spending and sell more weapons to other countries. So do you really think him being nice to Putin has anything whatsoever with cutting down on the military industrial complex? It makes no sense.
 

The lengths that Trumptards will go to come up with excuses for why Trump is doing what he is doing is mind boggling.

What does Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex have to do with Trump bending over for Putin?

If you can’t see the bigger picture then I can’t help you. War mongering by the main stream media and creating a bogeyman is par for the course in this current age of neocon politics. It’s pure propaganda.  Discrediting trump and driving hone the Russian narrative is just a bonus. You never hear about ISIS or terrorists lately. Russian fear is very convenient. 

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Your "bigger picture" is not very coherent.
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Tomato Can - Your "bigger picture" is not very coherent.

Perhaps to the narrow minded.